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Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack
#1
I wonder why the major news outlets are keeping mum about this attack in England? There's all sorts of hysteria over a bombing of a woman, and now a boy, who were killed by a package bomb. But nothing on this. Meanwhile the Brits are shiting all over themselves, and rightly so.

Theresa May gives Vladimir Putin 24 hours to explain Salisbury spy attack – or face the wrath of Britain. The PM told MPs this afternoon that ministers are ready to take much more extensive measures against the country and branded Russia’s suspected use of the nerve agent Novichok on Britain’s streets as a ‘reckless and despicable act’

There's no question that the agent 'Novichok' is a Russian exclusive. And its scary as hell. And every Brit news agency is saying that it is far more deadly than 'VX'. After CBR school, at Ft. Leonard Woods, I used to have nightmares about VX. And if this Novichok really is worse, this is something of which everyone should be aware.

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#2
I've viewed coverage quite often, but then again, I favor Fox News. Some of the talking heads there have put forward the idea that Moscow has a long-standing rule to punish traitors, especially after they receive sanctuary, in order to tell future dissenters what happens when they go off the reservation.
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#3
Obviously this was not all a 'One Shot Deal' here. But this one was done the old fashioned way. He was strangled.

Counter terror police launch probe after anti-Putin Russian mogul Nikolai Glushkov found dead in ‘unexplained circumstances’ with ‘strangulation marks’ at London home

Quote:COUNTER terror police are investigating the death of exiled anti-Putin Russian mogul Nikolai Glushkov at his London home.

His body was found with "strangulation marks" in New Malden, where he lived away from prying eyes, just before 11pm last night.

It comes soon after ex-Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia, 33, were poisoned using a nerve agent developed in Russia.

Police are probing who targeted them, with Mrs May pointing the finger at Russia and giving Vladimir Putin a deadline to explain his country's involvement.

There is no suggestion the Salisbury poisoning was linked to that of Glushkov, 68, whose home has been taken over by forensics teams investigating his death.

Russian newspaper Kommersant, owned by Arsenal shareholder Alisher Usmanov, reported there were "traces of strangulation on his neck".

I guess Uncle VV realizes that if he is going to get in trouble with the Brits, he may as well take care of more than one loose ends, because the possible punishment will be the same. Spiteful

Putin critic found dead in home


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#4
And Uncle Vladimir tells the PM, Theresa May, to Bugger Off.

'Don't threaten a NUCLEAR power' Putin REJECTS British ultimatum on Russian spy attack

This is beginning to get very interesting. Shock
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(03-13-2018, 04:33 PM)John L Wrote: And Uncle Vladimir tells the PM, Theresa May, to Bugger Off.

'Don't threaten a NUCLEAR power' Putin REJECTS British ultimatum on Russian spy attack

This is beginning to get very interesting.  Shock

UK GDP = $2,565,051 USD; Russian GDP = $1,469,341 USD - I doubt Russia could sustain a war for very long...
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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Theresa May kicks out 23 Russian spies from the UK and blasts Putin’s ‘contempt’ for Salisbury poisoning. Theresa May accused Vladimir Putin of acting with 'sarcasm, contempt and defiance' in the wake of the attempt on Sergei Skripal's life.

Reciprocal act most likely to follow.

The strangest thing of all this Russian fear wave is that while this is going on, even in the US, everyone seems to forget that the Peoples Republic is the Real Enemy for the future. Shock
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Russia, a nation of drunks with a population of 144.3 million (2016) that only has a GDP of a country with a population of 24.1 million (Australia).
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#8
Someone said on Fox News Channel today that Russia currently has a national economy the same size as Italy's.
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#9
Haley comes out swinging for the bleachers. I wonder if The Donald helped her on the presentation? Spiteful

Nikki Haley warns: Russia could use chemical weapons in New York

Quote:New York City could be the next site of a chemical assassination attempt if world leaders fail to punish Russia for its alleged role in poising of a former spy in the United Kingdom, U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley warned Wednesday.

“If we don't take immediate concrete measures to address this now, Salisbury will not be the last place we see chemical weapons used,” Haley told the United Nations Security Council. “They could be used here in New York, or in cities of any country that sits on this Council. This is a defining moment.”

Haley raised the specter of new attacks during an emergency council meeting, held at the request of British officials who have accused Russia of using “a military-grade nerve agent” to target a former military intelligence officer who committed treason. Russian diplomats have denied responsibility for the incident, but British investigators say they have identified the poison as a chemical weapon produced by the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

“Time and time again, member-states say they oppose the use of chemical weapons under any circumstance,” Haley said. “Now one member stands accused of using chemical weapons on the sovereign soil of another member. The credibility of this council will not survive if we fail to hold Russia accountable.”
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#10
LOL, guys, grow up a little.

What is happening is a combination of things, but primarily simply the hysterical reaction of the West to the change in the global balance.

Back in the year 2014 the US came very close to the ability of winning a nuclear exchange, reabsorption of Crimea stopped immediate US plans, and restored a kind of balance, now the deployment of new weapon system put the situation into reverse, an exchange will wipe out the Entity from the map and nothing Entity does will change the situation for 10-15 years.

So... we got a nervous reaction and cheap provocations.

May, likely with Trump's approval, borrows a script from a sci-fi serial and apply it verbatim to a minor figure, trying to create an international crisis. Amazingly they even fail to murder the intended victim, and while failing in *everything* is the sodomite trademark for years, something so minor should have been possible to accomplish? They will likely fail in all the explicit goals of this crime : May's dismal popularity and Brexit worries, elections in Russia, collapse of the US/AQ forces in Ghouta... most likely the story will die out after a couple of month, but the additional damage to reputation of the Entity will stay.

More popcorn. S6

As for

Quote:Haley comes out swinging for the bleachers. I wonder if The Donald helped her on the presentation?

Oh, let's hope not. Haley is a dumb hysterical woman that thinks that the UN is a kind of circus and she is the lead clown.
Donald ---- I still have a little hope for him --- is merely a mediocre man caught in an impossible situation...
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(03-14-2018, 04:28 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Someone said on Fox News Channel today that Russia currently has a national economy the same size as Italy's.


List of countries by GDP (nominal) Russia's GDP is smaller than nutcase California's GDP.
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#12
According to those lists, Italy actually has a larger GDP than Russia! The UK has almost double the GDP of Russia. All Russia has is a bunch of nukes.
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#13
They have an entire host of cheap armor, cheap wheeled vehicles, cheap aircraft, and other cheap things that perform, but not exceptionally well. And they have a small number of things which aren't cheap, but do perform well, which is tiny by comparison.

What they do have is Numbers, which is an entire category of its own.

Russia is not our biggest problem. Its China, the PRC, that is our second biggest enemy. Naturally our biggest enemy is ourselves. Shock
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#14
The UK went overboard with this nerve attack on this double-spy. He betrayed Russia so what's wrong with eliminating it? But why would russians use highly compromising chemicals for an assassination? Doesn't make sens...
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(03-19-2018, 05:49 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The UK went overboard with this nerve attack on this double-spy. He betrayed Russia so what's wrong with eliminating it? But why would russians use highly compromising chemicals for an assassination? Doesn't make sens...

No, it makes good sense, because the goal is to forewarn other potential whistle-blowers that they will be hunted down and killed no matter where they go. They wanted the attacks to be easily identifiable in a sanctuary environment.
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(03-19-2018, 06:21 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(03-19-2018, 05:49 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The UK went overboard with this nerve attack on this double-spy. He betrayed Russia so what's wrong with eliminating it? But why would russians use highly compromising chemicals for an assassination? Doesn't make sens...

No, it makes good sense, because the goal is to forewarn other potential whistle-blowers that they will be hunted down and killed no matter where they go. They wanted the attacks to be easily identifiable in a sanctuary environment.

Yes, it sure makes good sense to a believer, not to a person with minimal cognitive abilities.

I know this is a wasted effort, but let's try:

Putin happens to be one of only two intelligent and successful leaders in the today's world. He does not do stupid things and he succeeds in effectively everything he does. 

Now, is it good sense to go after a minor and totally useless figure, do it in a overly complicated way (bullets still work when the targets are not even protected), a way that makes it possible to implicate him, and to add insult to injury, fails to get the target.

Fake news.

It is really time to understand that not only the May/Hillary/Trump/MSM crowd emanates fake news, they also emanate nothing but fake news. Incapable. Besides, being honest in even minimal way is not consistent with their sodomite morals S6

So far May got minimal reprieve from the Brexit and corruption mess but showed herself yet again to be incapable and even Brits are beginning to notice this, she is a political corpse...  I see not signs yet of Trump paying the price but he will, eventually, too, just like Sarkozi paid it today.

The interesting questions here are the motivation and who is behind this.

Motivation is complicated because one can easily name several excellent reasons for May and Trump to commit this murder and it is difficult to figure out which one was the main in their sick minds. And given that we are talking about totally deranged people, state of their mind is not as transparent as that of a human like Putin. 

As for who is behind : well, two options really:
1. May and Trump: May's initiative supported by the big orangehead bro.
2. Trump and May: May executing Trump's orders. 
is there another possibility ?  S6
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#17
It is only a wasted effort because you disagree with the Russian strategy to make war on enemies, within and without. You ludicrously name May and Trump as conspirators to deflect news, but that misses the closest congruence. The Russian strategy is similar to the Trump strategy to not let liars and disinformers prosper. He reacts to attacks on him, and does not rely on the dead journalist world to level any playing field. The Russians react similarly, but without honor and righteousness. They don't want any negatives - even when deserved, and to do that, they lie and deceive. Their plan is to frighten and terrorize enemies, while Trump only wants to set the record straight.
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(03-21-2018, 02:36 PM)WmLambert Wrote: It is only a wasted effort because you disagree with the Russian strategy to make war on enemies, within and without. You ludicrously name May and Trump as conspirators to deflect news, but that misses the closest congruence.  The Russian strategy is similar to the Trump strategy to not let liars and disinformers prosper. 

You are starting with a correct thesis and then make it ridiculous, bordering on insane.

OK, here is where you are correct: any state has an interest in punishing traitors and eliminating enemies that even do not classify as traitors per se.

As examples, consider Pollard and Seth Rich (yes, Deep State is also a state .. albeit we cannot exclude a possibility that the order to eliminate Seth Rich came from the President of the Entity himself.).  Likewise, there is no question about the Soviet role in elimination of Bandera and Trotsky. 

However : this is just one of the interests and a statesman (unlike a politician) takes different interests into account.  Putin, in case you have not noticed, is a statesman, such simply no longer exist in the West.

So... just who is this Skripal?  A very minor figure, just in London there are a few hundred traitors of similar calibre, nearly all are the result of the corruption of the 1990s.   Skripal specifically :  low damage (identified a few people who were doing intel work for Russia in the embassies -- such people are generally are known to the adversaries already), compensated (identified the US/UK agents he was in contact with and provided info on their methods), got minimal sentence (13 years -- served 6, I believe) -- not much for any person who violated his oath.   Incapable of causing any further damage.  Not on a shiite list even : his daughter retains Russian citizenship and regularly travels to London to see her father.

In short, worthless.  

(I would not go into the Novichek aspect and the US/UK redevelopment of this type of toxin, based on the 1960s work in USSR  -- we simply do not know if it has anything at all to do with the Skripal case)

End of the story here really, but let me toss something else your way.

There was a previous case in fact cited by May as a "pattern" : Litvinenko.    Again, allegedly an exotic .. weird choice of an assassination tool.  Well, during the Litvinenko case May was the interior minister of the UK, botched the investigation (nothing but allegations was ever produced), but this did not stop her from naming the alleged poisoner.

Here is something you likely missed : father of Litvinenko gave a TV interview, appearing with the alleged poisoner of his son, hugging him, and naming a totally different person who he believes administered the poison (not polonium, of course).   And while I do not know if his theory is correct, at least it is fully consistent with the facts.

Perhaps it will make you happier to know that he did not name either Trump or May as either murderers or accomplices.

I'll toss you another bit of info that is likely not mentioned in New York Times either: there has been a connection between Steele and Skripal. In fact, it is beginning to look like Skripal actually contributed to the Trump dossier.  If this happens to be relevant, we have one more suspect and in fact one with a long record of assassinations.... and a large number of smaller suspects around her.. all may have motivations too, unlike Putin.

Does this matter ? For me, absolutely no, Hillary, May and Trump are the same Entity.
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(03-21-2018, 04:59 PM)mv Wrote: OK, here is where you are correct: any state has an interest in punishing traitors and eliminating enemies that even do not classify as traitors per se.

I think what you are saying is that Russia has the right to eliminate those who have turned on the loving Soviet Socialist Republic, correct? And they also have the right to do things clandestinely, even when they break international law?

Let's see, there are many who have sought shelter in the US, from Soviet Russia, over different reasons. I even know a few, one being a college instructor of computer language. Should they be eliminated, and especially from a nerve agent that is also dangerous to others, and is exclusively Russian made? Do you think Uncle VV, the benevolent father figure of all things culturally neurotic, should have jurisdiction over the moujik masses? S5

Just sayin'. Spiteful
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Quote:I think what you are saying is that Russia has the right to eliminate those who have turned on the loving Soviet Socialist Republic, correct?

No, wrong, it is merely what you think. S6

I shall repeat what I said:

any state has an interest in punishing traitors and eliminating enemies that even do not classify as traitors per se.

Nothing to do with right, and nothing to do with Russia specifically.  In fact, it is not possible to find any good examples of USSR or Russia being involved in political assassinations in the last 50 years, while several other countries --- including the US, the UK, and most obviously the Israelis --- certainly were and are.

Even the ancient assassinations involved only prominent leaders and dangers. Bandera, for example, was responsible for the deaths of ~ one million Jews and a couple of hundred thousands Poles.   I would not join you in crying for him, even if both D & R (Hillary and McCain) expressed admiration for him.   


Quote:Should they be eliminated, and especially from a nerve agent that is also dangerous to others, and is exclusively Russian made?

it is always helpful to do some basic research before

Quote:Just sayin'.

The formulas for the alleged "nerve agent" are available. The equipment for manufacturing it is in the US. The very name of the agent has a very specific meaning: it is a nerve agent that can be produced by ANY novice with a chemical lab... high-school level.

Now, where does this *exclusively* comes from exactly? S6

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