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Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack
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PS.  Don't interpret my occasional rhetorics against the orangehead as signs of disobedience to the Sungod... I actually find him quite helpful, most of what he does serves good purposes.

For example, we may be seeing huge IP tariffs tomorrow against China, and cancellation of the Iran deal before mid-May (which is a tariff on the EU), these are good steps toward the goal.  And here is something else attesting to his good qualities:

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The actual cemetery goes for hundreds of yards, mostly Kurds and some US/EU volunteers.  Great job, Donald, more than three thousands in just one month.
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#22
MV, you say neither the Soviet Union nor Russian Federation have assassinated anyone in 50 years. Perhaps you have forgotten Bulgarian dissident writer Georgi Markov, who was attacked 40 years ago on September 7, 1978 on a London street, by an agent armed with an umbrella that had a trigger device that fired a pellet containing a fatal dose of ricin. He died three days later. So it was an assassination. While this is believed to have been organized by the Bulgarian Secret Service, Bulgaria was at that time a Soviet satellite, and this specific operation is almost universally believed to have been assisted by the Soviet KGB.

The same umbrella delivery system was used in the failed assassination attempt against the Bulgarian dissident journalist Vladimir Kostov, the same year in the Paris Métro.

Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian_umbrella

By the way, what evidence do you have that President Donald Trump is in any way responsible for mass killings anywhere? He was a billionaire real estate developer before entering politics as a candidate about two years ago. He has only been president for a little over one year.
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#23
(03-21-2018, 09:01 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: MV, you say neither the Soviet Union nor Russian Federation have assassinated anyone in 50 years. Perhaps you have forgotten Bulgarian dissident writer Georgi Markov, who was attacked 40 years ago on September 7, 1978 on a London street, by an agent armed with an umbrella that had a trigger device that fired a pellet containing a fatal dose of ricin. He died three days later. So it was an assassination. While this is believed to have been organized by the Bulgarian Secret Service, Bulgaria was at that time a Soviet satellite, and this specific operation is almost universally believed to have been assisted by the Soviet KGB.
Ron, No, most certainly did not forget this one. Simply not relevant, clearly an internal Bulgarian affair.  As a Soviet satellite at the time, Bulgaria had a degree of independence, in particular running its own secret service.  Markov was of no significance to USSR, he *might have been* significant to the Bulgarians.

Likewise, US satellites had and have their own security capabilities, but we will not blame every single assassination done by this services on the US. For instance, a number of operations was performed by the Israelis over the years, Israel is a US satellite, even with the distinctly American deep-state PM,  but this does not imply US involvement in every single operation.  French and Brits did their share of murders too, and again, not every single one has a US involvement.

And even if you count this example, it is ONE case in 50 years, and possibly linked to radically different government from today's.

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As for Trump and war crimes:  for one, bombings of Raqqa and Mosul caused massive civilian deaths --- this is 100% Trump's doing and it is Nuremberg-level.  This is very much in line with bombing of Atlanta, Dresden and Hiroshima... nice continuity here.

But the dead Kurdish soldiers and US/EU volunteers among them -- no war crime here.  Just stupidity: Trump got a 3k-worth pro-US fighting force killed off. Personally, I'd give him a medal for this and hope he will continue good work.  But then, there is also an issue of a load Kurdish civilians Trump got killed alongside.... this is a mass killing, triggered by Trump,  and that is sad.

But as I said, he is doing good work diminishing the greatest threat to the humanity ever, so praise the Sungod, just remember --- he is an old testament and a pagan god, bloody and not quite sane.... just like Sol Invictus was S6
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#24
Here is how assassinations differ from false flag operations: no fancy stuff like exotic chemicals, guns tend to work better, and no publicity:

Lead Clinton investigator shot in the back twice, run over.

This one time we should not be suspecting May, perhaps ?
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#25
If the KGB/FSB wants to eliminate someone they do it with a silencer, not with some neurotoxic or radioactive agents. These chemicals are highly unreliable and very difficult to manipulate. While a bullet kills instantly and the murder can easily be masked as a common crime murder, victims of exotic methods spend several days agonizing and sometimes don't even die.

And in the case the KGB/FSB/Putin wants those who are concerned to know they did it, those who are concerned know it usualy.



Theresa May Wrote:Russia staged a brazen and reckless attack against the United Kingdom....
.... the incident in Salisbury was a pattern of Russian aggression against Europe and its near neighbors.
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(I thought UK was not in Europe anymore...?)

In US the democrats Wrote:A chemical attack on our closest ally

All this because one guy was poisoned... S11
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(03-22-2018, 06:43 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: All this because one guy was poisoned... S11

Did you forget his daughter?

Most importantly, the neuroToxin, itself, is identified as a Russian weapon, so they either did the crime, or gave a go-between the means to do it, Secondly, the motive is all Russian vengeance. No one else was in the game.
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(03-27-2018, 02:19 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(03-22-2018, 06:43 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: All this because one guy was poisoned... S11

Did you forget his daughter?

Most importantly, the neuroToxin, itself, is identified as a Russian weapon, so they either did the crime, or gave a go-between the means to do it, Secondly, the motive is all Russian vengeance. No one else was in the game.

I agree. Allow them to get away with doing this, and they will keep doing it, knowing that nobody will challenge them. That nerve agent was produced in Russia. We know where every nerve agent comes from because all production areas give off unique characteristics, which are stored within the UN inspection section. The Russians tried to get away with this, against international law, and they were caught at it, most likely from an informant.

Russia has a policy of seeking vengeance on anyone who blows the whistle on them, and they want to intimidate others from doing same. The West doesn't do this, because it is civilized behavior. If we allow them to do this and not pay a price, we may as well have someone get out and promise the world that "We Will Have Peace In Our Time". Do you remember who stated that foolish thing?
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#28
Europe gets its natural gas from Russia, it should be stocking up natural gas imports from the US and Canada because I can see Russia cutting them off next winter in retaliation of expelling its spies and diplomats.
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#29
Since the U.S. is now a net exporter of petroleum products, we can afford to support Europe if they have to sever their imports from Russia. The U.K. also has its own North Sea source of petroleum. Since European petroleum imports provide the bulk of Russian income, that will hurt Russia far more than it would hurt Europe. Remember, the total economic strength of Russia is less than that of Italy. The fact that some 25 nations joined in the coordinated move to expel Russian diplomats says something good for Western Civilization and the NATO alliance.

This seems to fit with the generations-long view of the Russian character. It has been said that they make good neighbors as long as you keep all your doors and windows closed and locked. In other words, they have to be made to know that you are on guard against any mischief, and if they overstep the bounds, they will answer for it. (Now, I am not saying this is true of all Russians. I have some Russian friends who are good, honest, and honorable Christians. They probably left Russia to get away from the kind of Russia that Putin represents.)

Russians like to invent clever new ways to assassinate people. Remember how Chekov on the original Star Trek liked to say that Russia invented stuff first? That was a source for satirical humor even back in the 1960s. They do try to be inventive.

Then there are the mainland Chinese, who blatantly rip off other nations' intellectual properties, even while trying to pretend that they are superior in some way to the supposedly degenerating West. Such is the kind of world we have to deal with! (Really, if the Chinese are so wise, then how can they be so stupid as to elect someone to rule for life, like they just did? Western Civilization got over monarchism centuries ago! I wonder if Xi will start calling himself "Emperor"?)
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(03-27-2018, 02:38 PM)John L Wrote: ...The Russians tried to get away with this, against international law, and they were caught at it, most likely from an informant.

I doubt that they didn't want it to get out that they assassinated an enemy of their state anywhere in the world - that there is no safe haven. That was the whole idea: send a message.

They weighed the potential downside, and figured deniability would save them, but Obama's no longer in the White House. I think the coalition surprised them, and Putin probably has sent some advisers to a Gulag.
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(03-28-2018, 10:38 AM)WmLambert Wrote:
(03-27-2018, 02:38 PM)John L Wrote: ...The Russians tried to get away with this, against international law, and they were caught at it, most likely from an informant.

I doubt that they didn't want it to get out that they assassinated an enemy of their state anywhere in the world - that there is no safe haven. That was the whole idea: send a message.

They weighed the potential downside, and figured deniability would save them, but Obama's no longer in the White House. I think the coalition surprised them, and Putin probably has sent some advisers to a Gulag.

That's not what I was trying to get at Bill.  Russia is giving notice to any Russian who is dissatisfied with their government. If they do, they will get them for doing so.  Its their way of intimidating them.  Are you unable to get my point, even when I am agreeing with you?  

I'm sorry I wasn't articulate enough for you.  Next time you say something I agree with, I'm going to keep mum, and let you carry the water, ok?  Gah
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#32
John L said to Wm L: "I'm sorry I wasn't articulate enough for you. Next time you say something I agree with, I'm going to keep mum, and let you carry the water, ok?"

Are we getting back to the Age of Aquarius again? S1
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(03-28-2018, 01:44 PM)John L Wrote: ...That's not what I was trying to get at Bill.  Russia is giving notice to any Russian who is dissatisfied with their government.   If they do, they  will get them for doing so.  Its their way of intimidating them.  Are you unable to get my point, even when I am agreeing with you?

I got your point fine, but you missed mine. They didn't care if "they got away with it." They wanted everyone on the planet to know, and if Theresa May or some Whistle blower didn't let the cat out of the bag, then they would do something even more blatant to make sure it was the lead story on every printed or broadcast media in the world. I wasn't arguing with you, I just added on that the media WAS the message.
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(03-28-2018, 09:38 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(03-28-2018, 01:44 PM)John L Wrote: ...That's not what I was trying to get at Bill.  Russia is giving notice to any Russian who is dissatisfied with their government.   If they do, they  will get them for doing so.  Its their way of intimidating them.  Are you unable to get my point, even when I am agreeing with you?

I got your point fine, but you missed mine. They didn't care if "they got away with it." They wanted everyone on the planet to know, and if Theresa May or some Whistle blower didn't let the cat out of the bag, then they would do something even more blatant to make sure it was the lead story on every printed or broadcast media in the world. I wasn't arguing with you, I just added on that the media WAS the message.

I did NOT miss your point Bill. You're not a mind reader, so please quit assuming you can read mine. Ok?

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(03-29-2018, 09:03 AM)John L Wrote: ...I did NOT miss your point Bill.   You're not a mind reader, so please quit assuming you can read mine.  Ok?

Are you Jewish? S13

No, I'm not Jewish - but I responded to your words, not a secret thought you accuse me of scavenging. You said, "...The Russians tried to get away with this, against international law, and they were caught at it, most likely from an informant."

No need for sleuthing. They never wanted to get away with it.
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#36
Not to butt in, but I don't get the question about being Jewish, John L. Are Jews reputed to be telepaths or something? Or do you know some who think they are? Just trying to keep up to date on my analogies and similes. S1
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(03-29-2018, 02:15 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Not to butt in, but I don't get the question about being Jewish, John L. Are Jews reputed to be telepaths or something? Or do you know some who think they are? Just trying to keep up to date on my analogies and similes. S1

Because they will argue and debate Everything. As the old joke goes, "What have you got when two Jews get together?" There are really two answers: one, "an argument"; and two "three different opinions".
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Oh, yes--I have heard that. A Jewish friend of my even affirmed to me it is true--Jews are notorious for being argumentative. My friend is now a Christian pastor, an Adventist (he was for a time pastor of my church), but he was raised Jewish, going to Hebrew school and everything. He said argumentativeness is especially true of Jewish rabbis. They even consider loud disputations to be a high part of their religious practice in the service in the synagogue. In fact, I think he told me that same joke, about two Jews having three opinions among them.

A Jewish writer (I don't remember his name) said some people wonder why God chose the Jews to be His special, chosen people, to communicate His Word to the rest of humanity. Was it because they are more numerous than other peoples? No. Was it because they are more politically powerful and influential? No. Excerpt for during the time of King Solomon, Jews have always lived in a world dominated by more powerful states. Was it because they are smarter, or more religious, etc.? No.

The answer he said is that God chose the Jews because they are just like all the rest of us, only more so. We can be argumentative, they can be more so. We can be religious. When they are religious, they are more so. We can be secular. When they are secular, they are more so. Everything the rest of us are, they are more so. Thus God chose the Jews because they are so completely representative of the rest of us. I guess there is a certain honor in that. Whatever, just remember that the Creator and Redeemer of the world is a Jew.
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