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Draining The Swamp: War with The Deep State
#21
And speaking of the Deep State, here is one of them coming forward, hoping to get rid of the "Out-of-Towner" president who has upset the establishment more than any president since.........................maybe he is at the top of the list.  Shock

I'll admit, Trump has been a positive surprise to me.  The man is a genius at strategy and getting people to do things.  He's still an asshole New Yawker, but he is a 'Doer', and thus a Real Threat to the Establishment.  And this is why I am now a supporter of his.  

Bill Kristol Searches Out Republicans to Primary President Trump in 2020.

And not everyone tends to agree with him, thank heavens.

Quote:BILL KRISTOL'S FAKE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY CHALLENGE STAT

Bill Kristol is hard at work, selling a product no one wants. A different GOP nominee in 2012.

Quote:And so, armed with this history and fresh polling (Morning Consult and Politico found 38% of Republican voters want Trump to face a primary challenge), Kristol made his case this week to dozens of influential New Hampshire activists during a breakfast buffet beneath blown-up photos of past presidential candidates campaigning in the nation’s first primary state.

Many Republicans who voted for Trump in the general election last time around did so, Kristol asserts, out of concern over Supreme Court appointments and because they hated Hillary Clinton more.

“It is possible,” Kristol told the audience, “to say, ‘Yeah, I approve of Trump — maybe not strongly, but somewhat — but I’d also like to have a choice … in 2020 that’s different from Trump.’ You don’t have to be a Never Trumper to not be on board for eight years of Trump.”

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“If I could just shake people up a little bit,” Kristol told BuzzFeed News after the Saint Anselm remarks. “Get them out of ‘Gee, I just saw a poll where he’s got 82% approval among Republicans, it’s over.’ If I get them to think for a minute, I think that by itself is useful.

Kristol is touting polls showing that fewer Republicans want a primary challenge to Trump than Democrats did to Obama.

There's nothing promising about those numbers. That's what happens when you sell a product that no one wants.

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He's a typical Establishment Neo-Con, an "Anyone but Trumper", who would rather vote for the Beast than him. And its one of the main reasons why I don't keep a link to the Weekly Standard.  If I ever go there, it is because I follow a link and am not aware of the source.   Shock
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#22
Calling Trump "a genius" is a bit premature. But, yes, he has been a positive surprise to me too.
That he seems to make things move quickely is, IMO, rather because he had a agenda many others shared.

He made things move quickely, but very slow to achieve. The works on the fence along the mexican border is all but symbolical. Disassembling Obamacare is much more difficult than expected, and ended up in a update of the same thing. His steel tariff turned finaly into a proposal for zero tarrif... etc.

And finaly, Trump is very good at showing the positives of his policy while concealing the negatives.
He promised to reduced the debt, to spend less, to get things cheaper. Well: $147 billion deficit in May
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#23
Since Rosenstein threatened the Congressmen who are his official oversight, there are almost no reasons left for Sessions not to fire him. Maybe he is waiting for the IG report do out tomorrow before doing so, but I see no excuses left for keeping him on. Melania should urge his firing, because her FLOTUS focus is on bullying, and Rosenstein is known for his temper and "Little man Syndrome."
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#24
Great Idea!

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Unfortunately, it is only half of the solution. A "Balanced Budget Amendment", added on, would be Much much better. S22
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#25
How about some of this data for the deep state? I accused the USA of arming ISIS and defending them years ago. Wouldn't surprise me at all if that stupid chemical attack was not paid for by the USA and Trump wouldn't even have to know about it. Our intel agencies need shutting down, IMO. They're our enemy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-2...-interview

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-...e-rat-line

Seymour Hersh has tons of info on Syria and our truly evil role there and in Libya.
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(06-25-2018, 07:44 PM)Palladin Wrote: How about some of this data for the deep state? I accused the USA of arming ISIS and defending them years ago. Wouldn't surprise me at all if that stupid chemical attack was not paid for by the USA and Trump wouldn't even have to know about it. Our intel agencies need shutting down, IMO. They're our enemy.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-2...-interview

https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-...e-rat-line

Seymour Hersh has tons of info on Syria and our truly evil role there and in Libya.

So, about "Our truly evil role", you are going to include everyone? Everyone including me, and yourself too? Or are you trying to say "the truly evil role of some"?
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#27
Don't start that again John. I considered Germany 1933-1945 exceptionally evil and at the same time there were awesome Germans like Dietrich Bonhoffer.

It's the way people talk. No, I don't think you're evil, I don't think I am evil, but, US foreign affairs at times is involved in devilish levels of cruelty and mindless/soulless crap and it's OUR nation, so we're implicated in it.

Since I am an American, I consider American conduct "our" conduct as a people group. That never means every person, I don't know why you keep harping on this.

Why not look at the data above and consider our intel agencies often times are involved in true levels of evil like associating with men that like to crucify people or maybe even get involved in chemical attacks and then blame them on others?
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(06-25-2018, 10:12 PM)Palladin Wrote: Don't start that again John. I considered Germany 1933-1945 exceptionally evil and at the same time there were awesome Germans like Dietrich Bonhoffer.

It's the way people talk. No, I don't think you're evil, I don't think I am evil, but, US foreign affairs at times is involved in devilish levels of cruelty and mindless/soulless crap and it's OUR nation, so we're implicated in it.

Since I am an American, I consider American conduct "our" conduct as a people group. That never means every person, I don't know why you keep harping on this.

Why not look at the data above and consider our intel agencies often times are involved in true levels of evil like associating with men that like to crucify people or maybe even get involved in chemical attacks and then blame them on others?

It may well be the way you talk, but it certainly shouldn't be the way you should write.   That's because you have more time to think out what you are going to say.   So please, don't start doing that again, ok?
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#29
Pallidin, You have many times written about how greedy and dishonest out Intel agencies are. In the light of Comey, Strzok, Rosenstein, Klapper, and the like, it is easy to go off on that tangent. But, I'd appreciate your realizing that they are a tiny, but powerful group at the head of agencies who are driven b\y political ends, not moral ones. The miscreants who appointed them also gave them undeserved cover, and is what made them think they could get away with anything because their political bosses would always be there for that cover. The strange dichotomy is that Obama also threw others under the bus, very frequently.

Obama was put in the list of best Presidents at the bottom. He received a 3% vote, His attitude is surely a part of that. He stayed out of the worst of it by lying and having the media supporting him. Otherwise Fast and Furious was enough for his impeachment. His appointed minions lied for him and gave him the "get out of jail free card." Without them, he couldn't have got off from his failures, and without him, they couldn't feel free to protect him.

What happened in earlier times, was far different. The nature of the spy game, is that decisions can't be explained contemporaneously - so antagonists get to write history, and the explanation people know about are always denigrating, but usually wrong. Since the protections of secrecy fade over the years, if one looks at FOIA and declassified histories, one can normally find the truth of things, and how the oft-heard stories are untrue. Looking at South American "intrusions" in other nations, they are always depicted as "evil", when in fact, they are on the side of goodness and light.

When you act on an opinion of "obvious" villainy, please consider holding off, because what you thought was true usually isn't.

There are instances of evil, but they are often-times similar to the Obama CYA actions - and not an example of national Casus belli.
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#30
William,

The problem goes back to day 1. It's not Obamacentric.

The fact that MK Ultra lasted 2 decades shows how evil the CIA can act and I doubt that program was even known to the POTUS.

The problem is men are flawed and the old "absolute power corrupts absolutely" thing is true. They operate in secret and it's too tempting for any human to have too much power and money and they do. Simple as that.

They suck and should be defunded immediately. Then we need to shut down our Roman Empire foreign affairs and act like all other nations act.

John,

OK, how would you frame the USA assisting ISIS? Obama did it? Reagan did the exact thing in Afghanistan and it wasn't their idea and it will happen next time we need violence and don't want publicity, so how would you frame the way we operate?
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(06-26-2018, 08:07 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...how would you frame the USA assisting ISIS? Obama did it? Reagan did the exact thing in Afghanistan...

Obama was stupid. He funded a group he thought would support him, but then didn't. Reagan did what in Afghanistan? We had one great revolutionary who had the potential of bringing together the people and solving the problems of his country. Then he was assassinayed and no one else could fill his shoes. Plans and intrigue are never static.

When Reagan got Iraq to release the US hostages, it was because he scared them. When Reagan gave missiles to some, he also knew the self-destruct codes would protect Israel and all our other allies. What do you think you know that makes us look so bad?
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#32
Tucker Carlson hits the nail on the head, when he describes what the Deep State is doing, and the guilt of both established parties. This entire thing Must be eliminated by a major rebellion(hopefully peaceful), and the death of at least one of the two parties. There is practically no way both of these dens of iniquity can be allowed to keep bringing down the country. Tucker explains almost everything that is wrong, but doesn't offer any long term solutions.

Tucker Carlson JUST Blew The LID OFF One Of The BIGGEST SCANDALS In American History(VIDEO)!!!


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#33
Although what Tucker says is good, the presentation is too abstract. He's arguing effect, rather than cause. People do what they think is right. They have been educated to believe disinformation which is reinforced by all those around them. The conclusion is foreseeable. What Tucker is saying is that innocent victims are caused by an elite ruling class, when the elite ruling class are as much victims as the "underclass." They are all the result of what they learned in school and in a culture corrupted by that system. It is possible to climb to personal heights by riding the system as the elite leaders envisioned by Engels and Marx. The cure is not to aim at the winners, but at the system that pointed them in that direction.
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#34
I'm impressed, you are beginning to see the obvious. And this is an excellent way to put it too:

Quote: The cure is not to aim at the winners, but at the system that pointed them in that direction.

It may indeed be quite pleasant to provide a cruise to the leaders of both parties on a ship called ... hmm .. Titanic .... but it will not accomplish much in itself.

The system is broken, and the only solution is scrapping it -- together with the entire Entity. There is no cure, only euthanasia.
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#35
(01-13-2019, 08:54 PM)mv Wrote: The system is broken, and the only solution is scrapping it -- together with the entire Entity.
That isn't going to work, or happen, short of anarchy. The next best thing would be to use the "Whig Solution". Never going to eliminate the Collectivist Left, unless the education system is repaired. That leaves us with the cowardly Dumbasses. Bill is always making excuses or them, but it's just fear of the future results. One main trait of a leader is decisiveness
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#36
I presume "Whig solution" is the replacement of one of the parties by a new one?

Bad news here. The system is self-stabilizing, you just cannot take out one of the twins. This is a pipe dream of the same category as longing for a third party.
So anarchy is indeed the most plausible outcome, the interesting questions are (1) the level of anarchy and (2) the final outcome.

Anarchy period is really a necessity but one key problem is that there are no new capable leaders that can take the country out of the anarchy --- thanks to the problems with education to large degree.  Is there ONE politician in the US today one can trust with the task? -- No.  And no reasons to think that G-d would interfere again, like he did with Putin in Russia.   SO... two plausible outcomes : Yugoslav level of anarchy or perhaps worse OR foreign rule (cf. post-Nazi Germany).

Not good.  

And yes, education is a huge problem,.. or rather a set of huge problems, and not all of them can be blamed on the "Collectivist Left"!  That the young are being indoctrinated is indeed their doing --- but this is no different from late USSR or Nazi Germany, they did the same.  However, the latter two were still capable of producing capable *technical* specialists, and the US cannot even do this.

Quote:One main trait of a leader is decisiveness

Necessary, not sufficient.  A most decisive leader is nothing when alone, without a capable team. cf. Trump, he does try to be decisive and comes out as a clown.
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(01-14-2019, 10:38 AM)mv Wrote: I presume "Whig solution" is the replacement of one of the parties by a new one?

Bad news here. The system is self-stabilizing, you just cannot take out one of the twins. This is a pipe dream of the same category as longing for a third party.
So anarchy is indeed the most plausible outcome, the interesting questions are (1) the level of anarchy and (2) the final outcome.

Anarchy period is really a necessity but one key problem is that there are no new capable leaders that can take the country out of the anarchy --- thanks to the problems with education to large degree.  Is there ONE politician in the US today one can trust with the task? -- No.  And no reasons to think that G-d would interfere again, like he did with Putin in Russia.   SO... two plausible outcomes : Yugoslav level of anarchy or perhaps worse OR foreign rule (cf. post-Nazi Germany).

Why are Russians so negative about the life in general?

Anarchy is not going to solve the problem.  Sorry.  Perhaps in St. Petersburg, but not here.

(01-14-2019, 10:38 AM)mv Wrote:
John L Wrote:One main trait of a leader is decisiveness

Necessary, not sufficient.  A most decisive leader is nothing when alone, without a capable team. cf. Trump, he does try to be decisive and comes out as a clown.

Who said anything about being alone?  Get in the middle of a fire fight and see if decisiveness isn't one of the primary ingredients to keeping your arse, and that of everyone else, in one piece.  You're just a academic civilian, and you haven't the slightest idea what it takes to be a Real Leader under life threatening pressure.  Maybe the next time you get shot at, you will clean out your pants and make the right moves without having to debate everything.  Civilians! Banghead
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#38
Anarchy is never a solution -- but sometimes it is the necessary phase toward the solution.

The problems that the US has a massive and simply cannot be done incrementally, and most surely with the current leaders. I can name many, but will only one: half of the population is dependent on the government, one way or another. This cannot last, but letting them off life support alone will be enough for anarchy.

And then some new force will have a chance to deal with anarchy and create new functional state, hopefully based on democracy unlike the current regime.

This force may be internal (a new military or gang leader, perhaps), or the troops of the Empire of Mexico S6

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The analogy with a fire fight is totally false. A single person can have make a huge difference in a brief action and win a skirmish; it is not impossible to raise demoralized troops for one last attack and win. But to win a prolonged campaign, organization is needed as much as a decisive leader. This does not exist.

Trump is quite decisive and does not hesitate to improvise. He is also not getting anywhere, because he does not understand the logistics and does not have capable people willing to carry through his ideas.

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And I'm not being negative whatsoever. I stated many times that the best thing for the humanity is to remove the Entity from the chessboard; I see the events nicely moving in exactly this direction. Whether the Entity can do this smoothly or will lose half of its population due to a civil war is not significant; the important issue is that the Entity is contained to its geographic limits and does not poison the world.
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(01-13-2019, 11:35 PM)John L Wrote: ...the cowardly Dumbasses.  Bill is always making excuses or them, but it's just fear of the future results. One main trait of a leader is decisiveness

John, you persist in getting it wrong. I do not, and have never applauded the GOP elites. I have always extolled the virtues of the grassroots. The party is different from the temporary kidnappers who want to subvert all politics into deluded and disinformed followers. The need is to target the John Dewey education paradigm, break it, and replace it with a simple knowledge-based system.
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Quote:The party is different from the temporary kidnappers

a rather extended *temporary*, one may think: at the very least, 30 years, ever since the Senior instituted his "read my lips" oath.

Nothing is more permanent than the temporary.

as for the virtues of the grassroots... yeah, nothing new under the moon. WWII Germans were full of virtues too, it is just the leaders that went rogue.
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