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Poland, Czech, and Hungry is "Getting It"!
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While almost the whole of Euro-La-La Land is still having its rapture with Centralized bureaucracy, and Islam, a few locations are awakening to reality.  And Poland, along with the Czech Republic, and Hungary,  are the first to actually understand what's happening, and start taking action.  

And secondly, this is also about sovereignty.  The European Union wants control over the individual countries, and these countries are unwilling to give it up, after viewing what other EU countries are not doing to halt the spread of Islam.   And the fact that these countries are becoming victims of the Populist Alt-Right, and not in love with Euro-Socialism only makes this situation more explosive.

Here's what the Progressive NPR has to say about this.

Quote:Poland is at odds with much of the rest of the European Union. This is because its government cracks down on everything from press freedom to public demonstrations. The country has also turned away refugees from its borders. And Brussels has warned Warsaw's populist government might soon face sanctions over what critics say are attacks on Polish democracy.

But it is the Polish government's treatment of trees, and not civil rights, that has landed Warsaw in the most trouble yet. These trees are in a forest that straddles the Polish-Belarusian border.

And European Commissioner Elżbieta Bieńkowska, also a Pole, states that Poland is EU’s BIGGEST THREAT: Eurocrat warns it will be DOWNFALL of EU - more than Brexit. POLAND poses a bigger threat to the European Union (EU) than Brexit, a senior eurocrat warned as Warsaw remains locked in a bitter dispute with Brussels over its governance.

Quote:European Commissioner Elżbieta Bieńkowska said Poland has “abdicated” its role as leader of Europe’s eastern bloc as it fails to compromise on controversial domestic and judicial reforms.

Europe is facing a crisis over the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) party’s plans to change how judges are hired and fired, that critics warn will give ministers too much political sway over the courts.

Brussels say it contravenes European law and has even threatened to suspend Poland’s voting rights.

As tensions threaten to boil over, eurocrats threatened to trigger Article 7 and temporarily boot the country off the European Council. The punishment would be unprecedented as it is the first time the measure has ever been used.

This is only going to get worse as Tribalism/Ethnic-Patriotism continues to grow, and the European bureaucrats find that they are helpless to put a stop to it.  

John Naisbitt has been right all along.
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This article from last May, from the WaTimes sums things up fairly well.

EU deepens its own crisis with attacks on Hungary, Poland

Quote:The European Parliament has condemned Hungary for human rights issues and a breakdown of the rule of law. Brussels is now threatening all-out financial war against both Hungary and Poland, among others, for alleged human rights abuses and anti-democratic policies and actions. But with conservative governments insisting on their sovereign right to protect their borders and preserve their national identities, Europe is headed for an existential crisis from which it may not recover in its current form.

The primary issue is the forced acceptance of hundreds of thousands of Islamic migrants into these Christian countries. Currently, the refugees have been welcomed in some Western European nations, which has led to extreme social unrest. Leaders in the West are eager to find a safety valve, and Eastern Europe looks like a good solution. Western Europe has already given up any defense of its culture and its very heritage. The globalists in the EU leadership want others to suffer their fate — along with the violence, sexual discrimination, crime and terror that comes with such policies.

Brussels is also upset at measures instituted by both Budapest and Warsaw that the EU sees as anti-democratic and oppressive. These include: restrictions on the media, a law against a George Soros-backed university in Hungary and placing government-friendly officials in key positions to further the governing party’s policies.
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In spite of the threat of financial penalties, the countries of Eastern Europe are fighting back. “European institutions are clearly unable to accept the fact that … the government of Hungary is continuing to practice a migration policy that is exclusively aimed at ensuring the security of Hungary,” Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said Wednesday.

For her part, Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo said this week that “a critical attitude towards the mechanism of migrant relocation is becoming increasingly widespread in the European Union. … Poland cannot accept refugees.”

In short, Eastern Europe’s capitals have told the EU to take a hike. This is why the Brussels globalist kingmakers are so angry at Mr. Orban and the conservative Law and Justice Party in Poland. These so-called “extreme right-wing” elements are not just opposing, but terminating, the globalists’ open-border, welfare society projects.
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Poland & Hungary FIGHT The EU | Migrant Redistribution Plan | Legal Threats


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#4
No, this is not the biggest threat to the EU.
In fact no sanction has been taken against countries who refused to take migrants.
The reason is that in the meatime the very countries who voted a relocation policy are themselve cutting on accepted migrant counts.

The democracy issue (judge nomination, media control...) is a completely separate issue and specific to Poland.
Hungary and Bulgary have their own separate issues as well.

None of these issues are puting the membership of these countries EU in question.

The PiS is a nationalist party. Anti-EU but not as much anti-EU as UKIP for example.

One fact is never told: The huge majority of poeple in East European countries are for staying in the EU and keep all their savings in euros (when the national currency is different).
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One of the things which sets Eastern European countries off from their western neighbors is that Poland, along with Hungry and Czechs, are far more religious.  They have not abandoned their Christian values, and Poland is overwhelmingly Roman Catholic.  Consequently, they have continued to reproduce at a reasonable rate.  They don't have a problem with young people who can keep working when their older citizens grow old.  

In Western Europe, the replacement rate is abysmal and they need replacement younger people.  I've no doubt that this also influenced the EU allowing all the millions of young Muslims migrating into the Union.  Now, they are caught between a rock and a hard place, because they are trying to take the easy way for replenishment, and its going to bite them hard.

The real problem is the turning away from Christianity.  Euros had better return to their heritage immediately, or they are going to lose more than their tradition.
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Poland’s Anti Mass Migration Government Enjoys Record Popularity

Quote:Poland’s traditionally conservative, nationalist government is experiencing record support, despite widespread international media coverage of a number of protests that have been launched by foreign-funded groups.

The Law and Justice Party (PiS) made history in 2015 when it became the first party since the Cold War to win an election outright — meaning that for the first time the modern Polish state could be governed without the constraints of coalition.

PICS: Thousands of Poles Pray on the Border Against ‘Islamisation of Europe’

Quote:Thousands of Catholics formed a human chain along the borders of Poland on the anniversary of an historic victory by Europe over the Ottoman Empire officially to pray for peace and “against the Islamisation of Europe”.
Polish media reports hundreds of thousands of adherents participated in the “Rosary on the Borders” event on Saturday, October 7th, to mark the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto, where “the Christian fleet overcame the Muslim armada, saving Europe from Islamisation”.

The Catholic Feast of the Holy Rosary was established by Pope Pius V in 1571 as “Our Lady of Victory” after the Holy League won a landmark victory over the Ottoman Turks at their naval station in Lepanto.
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JL Wrote:In Western Europe, the replacement rate is abysmal and they need replacement younger people. I've no doubt that this also influenced the EU allowing all the millions of young Muslims migrating into the Union.
Yes. Europe invites migrants (or don't expell themn when they come) for this reason. The final goal being keeping the GDP up, by adding a population of mostly young men ready to work at low wages.

The practice of Christianism in Poland is certainly influencial in the opposition to muslim migrants.

But I wouldn't say that this christianism is making them have more children. I don't have the number, but the difference shouldn't be that big.

I wouldn't say that the opposition to Islam is very contrasted between East and West Europe.
In Western Europe, there is also a strong opposition to Islam.

The difference is that in Eastern Europe the political class is also against Islam, in line with the population, whereas in Western Europe, the political class is either politicaly correct and secretely pro-islam (the left) or wash their hands over it (the right).
The rightist parties don't even talk about it ever. For them this topic doesn't exists and it's none of their interrest to talk about it. If you realy push them into a corner and ask their opinion, they will answer that "we must fight against radicalism" without any more elaboration.

The other difference is that opposition to Islam in western Europe is shared by two opposite groups: The Catholics (yes, some remain) and the laics, the secularist.
The laics are those who believe in the primacy of principle of no religious interference in the state affairs and in public areas as well as schools, station, city halls, etc.
They are not atheist be definition but often they are.
They are not leftist or rightist. Laicity is not left or right. You'll find them on both sides.

Leftists are secularist except when Islam is concerned. Far-leftist are secularist only because they hate the Catholic Church, so Islam is ok for them.

What I call laic are those who oppose theoricaly the influence of all religions in public space and politics, but Islam in particular since Islam is the most invasive.
They are not against the existence of religions as the far-left pretend to be, they are only against its political influence and visibility.

They are very strong because muslims can't argue that it's a christian crusade against Islam and the far-left can't argue that they belong to the Catholic Far-Right.

In France they add the Values of the Republic to the notion of secularism. That makes them very pro-law.
This is typicaly french.

Briebart Wrote:Thousands of Catholics formed a human chain along the borders of Poland on the anniversary of an historic victory by Europe over the Ottoman Empire officially to pray for peace and “against the Islamisation of Europe”.

Ho Hum... Looking at these pictures... I don't see the point in fighting against Islam, if it's to get this. S4
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Ok, I was wrong about Poland having lots of children, since they are supposed to be good Roman Catholics.  But I see the birth rate at 1.32, which is not good.  

So, how do they manage to keep all the Islamists out of the the country?  Have lots of little one, of course.  S22

Quote:Polish government asks citizens to multiply like rabbits

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — The Polish government is encouraging citizens to go forth and multiply like rabbits.

The health ministry of Poland, which has one of the lowest birth rates in Europe, has put out a short video praising rabbits for producing many offspring.

The YouTube video shows rabbits munching on lettuce and carrots while a rabbit “narrator” reveals the secret of their big families — exercise, a healthy diet and little stress. The brief appearance of a human couple enjoying a romantic picnic hints that a little romance might help, and a wine glass turned upside down suggested an anti-alcohol message.

Viewers are told: “If you ever want to be a parent, follow the example of rabbits.”

It is the latest step by the conservative government in this mostly Catholic country of 38 million to reverse a shrinking population. European Union figures show that Poland’s birth rate was 1.32 children per woman in 2015. Only Portugal had a lower fertility rate, though the figures in Spain and Greece were almost as low as Poland.

The Health Ministry said in a statement to The Associated Press that it was trying to encourage Poles in their reproductive years — between the ages of 18 and 45 — to adopt a healthy lifestyle that would improve their reproductive health.

It also said it was seeking to raise public awareness of the issue in a way that “did not offend anyone and was not vulgar.”

They don't mention the direct threat from Islam, but this is definitely the main one, since Western Europe is simply lying down and tilting back their chins so as to have their throats slit.  Shock

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#9
This is insane because the planet is overpopulated. Europe is one of the most densly populated place on Earth and Poland one of the most densely populated country in Europe. Not the most, but as much as Germany, IMO.

Reducing your own population is the only responsible way.

If Europe is relatively well off it's thanks to this natural responsible process of adapting your birth rate to the demography.

Demographic dangers, even imminent disasters and general poverty are looming in Africa and elsewhere because they are unable to slow down their birth rate.

Making more children don't prevent muslims to come. (How babies can stop migrants? Please explain). If they want to come and if the governement let them come, they will come no matter how many children you have.

But every governement has to report to the IMF and other international lenders and they better report a growing GDP. Otherwise they will have to borrow at a higher rate. More GDP is also necessary to collect more taxes generaly.
the goal of governements is to collect taxes, always more taxes. And for that they need a growing GDP.

You can achive that the difficult way: Create a good environement for trade and businesses. This has been done largely thanks to the EU. But it's not enough.

So they opted for the easier way, finaly: Growing your population.

Here again, two way to achive growing population:
The easiest one: Take poeple from Africa. Plenty of poeple, working for cheap. Ideal candidates.
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They are muslims and muslims are the most obedient citizens if you include Islam in the structure of your governement (by creating and supporting a localized form of Islam, by giving funds to islamic organisations, by respecting the pedophile prophet etc)
Muslims turn terrorists when they think the governement is against Islam but they blindly support the governement if they think it support Islam.
So west european governements chosed to import muslims and to show that they respect Islam.

In Poland they chosed the difficult way: Making more children.

Well: Nobody wants neither to have a lot of children (they would do them without advertisement if they wanted so) nor being invaded by muslims.

But saying that your children will be a wall against Ottoman invasions is pure fiction.
It's not for this reason that Polish governement is advertising making children.
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Fred Wrote:This is insane because the planet is overpopulated. Europe is one of the most densly populated place on Earth and Poland one of the most densely populated country in Europe. Not the most, but as much as Germany, IMO.

Reducing your own population is the only responsible way.

If Europe is relatively well off it's thanks to this natural responsible process of adapting your birth rate to the demography.

Demographic dangers, even imminent disasters and general poverty are looming in Africa and elsewhere because they are unable to slow down their birth rate.

Oh, for crying out loud Fred.  You've been listening to all the followers of Malthus, and that wacko who wrote "The Population Bomb".  Jeeze.

When I arrived in Germany, in 1966, and Dad drove us back to Birkenfeld, there was a nice autobahn, with beautiful old buildings spread out.  But when we left the autobahn, and started taking the back roads, there was almost nothing but forestland, and only little villages here and there.  Germany was, and still is, a developed country that is over 90% rugged forestland.  Its simply gorgeous!

When I was growing up, I kept hearing about how the world was overcrowded and unless we held back our birthrate, we were all going to starve to death.   Consequently, I was amazed at Germany's pristine countryside, with deer walking in the fields and  lord knows what in the forests I couldn't see into.  I kept saying to myself, "Where is Everybody?"  Germany was nothing like what we here in the US had envisioned.   I can tell you from experience that Germany is Not overpopulated.  And I'll bet you Poland isn't either.  

As for Poland, she is doing the right thing, because she is trying to guarantee her success in the future, AND keep out all those ignorant followers of Islam.  Smart idea on Poland's side, and stupid idea with Germany and other European countries that willingly allowed all those future troublemakers into their lands.  That's where the stupidity lies.

Look, the planet is not overpopulated.  If you compare all of the backward countries, where starvation and Collectivism resides, you will find a far less populated place than where civilization reigns.  And the closer the country is to "Free Enterprise" the more advanced it is, and the richer its citizenry.  

Furthermore, the most precious and valuable resource a country can possess are its citizens.  That's right, humans are a country's most valuable resource.

Please, please, take the time and read this article by one of my heroes, De. Walter E. Williams.  He does a far better job of explaining things than I can.  He's a classical economist who knows what he is talking about.

Quote:The Overpopulation Hoax

Dr. Walter E. Williams

In 1798, Thomas Malthus wrote "An Essay on the Principle of Population." He predicted that mankind's birthrate would outstrip our ability to grow food and would lead to mass starvation. Malthus' wrong predictions did not deter Stanford University professor Paul Ehrlich from making a similar prediction. In his 1968 best-seller, "The Population Bomb," which has sold more than 2 million copies, Ehrlich warned: "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s and 1980s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now." This hoax resulted in billions of dollars being spent to fight overpopulation.

According to the standard understanding of the term, human overpopulation occurs when the ecological footprint of a human population in a specific geographical location exceeds the carrying capacity of the place occupied by that group. Let's look at one aspect of that description — namely, population density. Let's put you, the reader, to a test. See whether you can tell which country is richer and which is poorer just by knowing two countries' population density.

North Korea's population density is 518 people per square mile, whereas South Korea's is more than double that, at 1,261 people per square mile. Hong Kong's population density is 16,444, whereas Somalia's is 36. Congo has 75 people per square mile, whereas Singapore has 18,513. Looking at the gross domestic products of these countries, one would have to be a lunatic to believe that smaller population density leads to greater riches. Here are some GDP data expressed in millions of U.S. dollars: North Korea ($17,396), South Korea ($1,411,246), Hong Kong ($320,668), Somalia ($5,707), Congo ($41,615) and Singapore ($296,967).

The overpopulation hoax has led to horrible population control programs. The United Nations Population Fund has helped governments deny women the right to choose the number and spacing of their children. Overpopulation concerns led China to enact a brutal one-child policy. Forced sterilization is a method of population control in some countries. Nearly a quarter-million Peruvian women were sterilized. Our government, through the U.N. Population Fund, is involved in "population moderation" programs around the world, including in India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nigeria, Mexico, Indonesia, Brazil, the Philippines, Thailand, Egypt, Turkey, Ethiopia and Colombia.

The entire premise behind population control is based on the faulty logic that humans are not valuable resources. The fact of business is that humans are what the late Julian L. Simon called the ultimate resource. That fact becomes apparent by pondering this question: Why is it that Gen. George Washington did not have cellphones to communicate with his troops and rocket launchers to sink British ships anchored in New York Harbor? Surely, all of the physical resources — such as aluminum alloys, copper, iron ore and chemical propellants — necessary to build cellphones and rocket launchers were around during Washington's time. In fact, they were around at the time of the cave man. There is only one answer for why cellphones, rocket launchers and millions of other things are around today but were not around yesteryear. The growth in human knowledge, human ingenuity, job specialization and trade led to industrialization, which, coupled with personal liberty and private property rights, made it possible. Human beings are valuable resources, and the more we have of them the better.

The greatest threat to mankind's prosperity is government, not population growth. For example, Zimbabwe was agriculturally rich but, with government interference, was reduced to the brink of mass starvation. Any country faced with massive government interference can be brought to starvation. Blaming poverty on overpopulation not only lets governments off the hook but also encourages the enactment of harmful, inhumane policies.

Today's poverty has little to do with overpopulation. The most commonly held characteristics of non-poor countries are greater personal liberty, private property rights, the rule of law and an economic system closer to capitalism than to communism. That's the recipe for prosperity.

Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University.
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John, saying that population is not a problem when we are 7.4 billion, is just irresponsible.

It's a massive treath to humanity and to the planet. You are completely ignoring the damage caused by humans on the environement. Species disapearing, polluted oceans, rain forest disapearing...

Yet only 1% of land is covered by human habitations. So why can't we fill safely the remaining 99%?
Because of agriculture.

We are very lucky that agriculture made progress from the 70's when the the first modern predictions were scientificaly stated.
But the problem is not to feed humans. When humnan can't grow crops, they regulate their number quickely. In fact the number of human on Earth follows their ability to produce food, not the opposite.
Humans don't make more food because they are more to feed. They are more numerous because they make more food.
So in fact nutrition is theoricaly never the problem.

The problem is the environement. It's enough to see how many species are endangered or already extinct.
Poeple cut the forests, overfish, pollute water, dry rivers and lakes, exhaust resources, just to grow food.
Modern chemicals used in the fields make the matter even worse.

It's a miracle that gorrillas, rhinos and lions are still alive today. Thanks to good poeple taking care. But their situation is getting worse and worse as the populations increase.

Not only in Africa but everywhere.

The other thing is the risk of epidemic. I'm absolutely certain that one of these days, we will see a massive, wolrdwide epidemic, wiping off 2/3 of the population, maybe more. Maybe 90%.
And even after that, the number of human beeings will still be very high historicaly.

This is because the more a population (human or animal) increases, the more an epidemic is devastating when it comes.
So the more we are the higher the risk.

Again, we have been very lucky with medical progresses. But one day a virus will be smarter than us and won't feel smart at all.

When you consider the size of the cities and the volume of travelers, it's hard to imagine otherwise.

The only thing I agree is that the biggest treaths are governements. But that's another topic.
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As the saying goes, "You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink." Spiteful
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As with the title of three East European countries "Getting It", Hungry is showing that it definitely "Gets It"

Quote:“In Hungary there will be no mosques” says leading party member

The leader of the Fidesz parliamentary group, Gergely Gulyás, said in a TV interview that there will be no mosques in the country.

He made his statement after questions on Hungarian national TV about the New York terror attack. Gulyas is an important member of prime minister Viktor Orbán’s Fidesz party.

Good for Them! That alone cuts down on percentages, because that's where much of the radicalizations occur. S22
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And here is someone who migrated from Croatia to Sweden, as a young child with his family.  But he and his wife have since moved to Poland for two years now.  Why?  Because Poland "Gets It" and Sweden doesn't "Get It".  

Croatian migrant felt unsafe in Sweden and left to go to ‘amazing’ Poland – Interview

Here's a small part of the interview, which says a lot.  But it is well worth reading the entire interview, because there is so much more there.  Enjoy.  S22

Quote:Tell us something about yourself and your family


I live in Poland with my wife and my kids. We moved here from Malmö, Sweden, for about two years ago. I came to Sweden with my parents and my siblings when I was a small child. We came from Croatia.

I loved growing up in Sweden: It was clean, safe and everyone was nice to us (well, there of course were some idiots – there always are). I grew up with hard working parents and had a great childhood. It was a good time in my life. My parents did start with nothing and slowly built a life for us.

Sweden allowed me to get an education and a career. I currently work as an IT/tech-specialist at a US-based company. I also have some small side projects involving helping people in Sweden to cope with their situation. I moved my parents over to Poland and my wife’s parents will come here in 2019.

You left Sweden to go to Poland, why is that?

Well… it’s obvious for most people I think. Sweden has been in decay for quite some time now. The schools are terrible, simple medical help takes a long time, the violence is increasing on every level and I simply don’t recognise the country I grew up in anymore.

One other reason was that I felt utterly alone in speaking up about what’s going on in Sweden. On a party almost everyone thinks the same but officially you’re pretty much alone. People are afraid to speak up because those that do are branded racists or populists, It’s very disturbing.

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                                               Krakow, Poland

Swedes KNOW that something is terribly wrong but no one speaks openly about it. The media seems to be on the side of the politicians all the time. The people know that migration has led to more crimes, more rapes, more violence, more gangs but the government and media just wants people to focus on the good things about migration. They told the Swedes that migration would save their elderly and would generate billions for the country… and now it seems it’s the opposite that has happened.

But still… the migration must go on. It’s pure madness. Like today – they have “sold” the idea that Sweden has a normal migration rate but no. It’s still very high and society can’t keep up with housing, schools and jobs. Sweden is – and I think most outside Sweden knows this – REALLY BAD at integration.

Another thing was that I travelled a lot for my work and always got a lot of questions about Sweden. People outside Sweden are much more aware than most Swedes can imagine. At first, people talked about how great Sweden was when I started travelling. But lately it’s a different story: people now talk about Sweden as something very weird and disturbing. That was an eye-opener and that happened in less than eight years. You tend to go somewhat blind about stuff when you live in the middle of it. I – thanks to my job – never became that docile.

In Poland people talk like adults. Even about difficult subjects. This is still surreal to me after my time in Sweden. The discussion is totally different here: people are not afraid to talk. At the same time it’s REALLY weird – living here – and then to listen to, or to read Swedish media and what they say about Poland. It’s so much better here and it kind of feels like envy from the former – oh so glorious – Sweden.

The future of Europe stands here. Central Europe is the future. No one in Sweden talks about this. A “Three Seas initiative” or maybe a Central European Union? I don’t know. But for the first time in a long time I feel like I’m home.

This is a Great Interview, and so enlightening, so please read the entire thing.  And this is why Poland is telling its citizens to begin reproducing so as to keep their numbers up, and not have to rely on Islamic imports.   This is called Common Sense 101!  Spiteful
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Population is one thing, but space to grow is something far more important. From outer space you can't even see evidence that people live here. Lots of space. During WWII, the leaders of Poland were killed, leaving a void at the top. The people grew to refill leadership posts, but slowly- - but the lack of them for a long time, held the economy down, causing stagnation in day-to-day life... Even though the chances were always there, people just wanted to get by, which set the pattern.
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Its for certain that Germany(i.e. Frau Merkel and Co.) don't "Get It".

Germany Clumsily Admits To Supporting Regime Change In Poland

Quote:A diplomatic spat has developed between Berlin and Warsaw after the German Defense Minister said that her country should support the “democratic resistance of the young generation” in Poland.

This scandalous remark from Germany’s top military official immediately led to a strong rebuke from all levels of the Polish government, which rightly interpreted her statement as an implied threat to aid the Soros-linked Color Revolutionaries in their quest to carry out a regime change in the Central European country.

As an overly simplified backgrounder, the ruling Law & Justice conservative party has been working to cleanse Poland’s permanent bureaucracy, or “deep state”, of the holdovers that their Civil Platform liberal predecessors had hurriedly stacked into government in a last-ditch attempt to derail their opponents’ legislative agenda until the next election. This is very similar to what the Democrats have been doing against Trump, but it’s just that PiS, which is the Polish abbreviation that the Law & Justice party is popularly known by, has been comparatively more successful than their allied American counterpart, hence why there’s been a proportionate increase in foreign support to the Color Revolution movement in response.
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JL Wrote:What so many in the EU bureaucracy fail to understand is that Poland is only a manifestation of the true cause of all this trouble. The true cause is that a country's citizenry want to have more of a say in their own destiny than be ruled from someone unknown, and far away. Hungry and the Czechs have followed suit, and that is just the beginning. And true to form, the tighter the bureaucrats try to hold on to power the more control they will lose in the "push back"
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Did you read the article you just posted?

It Wrote:the right-wing Law and Justice (PiS) party’s plans to change how judges are hired and fired,
That's illegal within the EU and certainly not in the interrest of the poeple. When politics have direct control over the judges, you are back to where you were before the fall of the Iron Curtain or something like Venezuela or Zimbabwe.

The PiS is a threat, but this threat is not coming from the poeple. If the governement makes a single step in the exit direction, it will fall within short notice.

There is no way that poeple in east european countries will want to leave the EU.

Poeple in Poland voted PiS to protect them from a muslim invasion, not to replace judges in a totalitarist manner.
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Yes I did. I'm missing our point thought. Banghead
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Just a rebuke to your perpetual anti-EU rant.

I know you have no dog in this fight, nevertheless, you never miss a chance. S5
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(12-08-2017, 07:30 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Just a rebuke to your perpetual anti-EU rant.

I know you have no dog in this fight, nevertheless, you never miss a chance. S5

Fred, that's not true one bit. I'm not anti-EU in the sense you are relating. I am pro-Europe, but agree with John Naisbett that Europe has its ethnic/tribal identities, and these will be the cause for the EU's demise. I was absolutely in favor of the original "Common Market, which was such a success. But the bureaucrats in Europe went "A Bridge Too Far". They just couldn't leave success alone.

I've been hoping you would eventually see what I mean, but I guess you view me as a "clueless outsider". Sorry.
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