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Trump needs to go full Obama
#41
Yak,

It isn't because he doesn't want to. The red neck might not because he is prohibited by law from messing with medical pot( just read that today) and it would not be easy to decide if a plant was for medicinal or recreational use.

Bush right in the midst of 2 wars dispatched the FBI on helicopters down here in a rural village named Del Rio to raid a damned chicken fighting outfit, so these right wing social conservatives can be very stupid.
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#42
(08-01-2017, 10:29 AM)Palladin Wrote: Yak,

 It isn't because he doesn't want to. The red neck might not  because he is prohibited by law from messing with medical pot( just read that today) and it would not be easy to decide if a plant was for medicinal or recreational use.

 Bush right in the midst of 2 wars dispatched the FBI on helicopters down here in a rural village named Del Rio to raid a damned chicken fighting outfit, so these right wing social conservatives can be very stupid.

Accept the fact that people, other than you, can walk and chew gum at the same time. Having local FBI take care of local matters (as their duties demand) and not take away from international interests (that they are outlawed from doing) is normal and not some kind of conspiracy.
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#43
No evidence Bush could and we do have limited resources. There are more significant events than chicken fighting which did not skip a beat. Just like drugs, people still consume them after 50 years of forever war on them and it's getting worse due to men like Sessions who cannot think.

In fact, the US government is who introduced or assisted in introducing many of our illegal drugs into our society. Heroin, cocaine and LSD specifically.

Check out history channels "America's secret drug war". Kind of makes the war on drugs seem weird.
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#44
(08-01-2017, 01:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: No evidence Bush could and we do have limited resources....

...the US government is who introduced or assisted in introducing many of our illegal drugs into our society. Heroin, cocaine and LSD specifically.

Bush 43 has a near photographic memory, similar to Reagan. Bush is actually the highest educated President we've had, and his Business acumen allowed him to redesign how the administration works, which literally everyone with a pony in the game has said was brilliant. If he hadn't, Obama would have been lost. Obama had no friends or colleagues with any ability - so brought in old Clinton staffers to staff his Presidency. He just plugged them into the Bush system, and gave them their heads.

However; Obama had eight years to replace professionals with extremists, who are now embedded and hard to pry loose.

Most drugs were in existence long before our country decided to notice them. The wealth of our citizens allowed drugs to demand a high price - and demand always encourages supply. The porous border has allowed drug lords to build empires. Perhaps high prices also encouraged it, but don't you think calling it all our fault is a bit juvenile?
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#45
Sessions is scheduled to make announcements on the leak investigation on Friday. Again, it would be a bombshell if the FBI General Council is mentioned. Probably too much to hope for, but hope springs eternal.

Meanwhile ... we have a new FBI director ....

The biggest potential development is the possibility of a second independent prosecutor. Why not? ... back to "Full Obama" ... this is the "Chicago Way". If we have to suffer through the investigation of an election winner, why not an election loser (and her hubby and his tarmac talk with the former AG) as well? ... one that technically violated numerous national security laws while ducking the Freedom of Information Act ... and the members of the last Administration that that used the National Security laws to facilitate unmasking of U.S. citizens and spying for political purposes. Susan Rice won't voluntarily testify before Congress. Then there's Rhodes ... and Brennan and Power among others ... There's a remedy for that sort of ambiguity and it dovetails nicely with Session's 'recursive' position. Bring in an independent party ... and investigate the living sh*t of of all this stuff!! After the election, general wisdom was that things should be magnanimous and witch hunts would be unpopular ... well magnanimous is over ... and witch hunts ought to be equal opportunity affairs.

WmLambert,

As an aside and perhaps grist for another thread, re: your indirect comparison of Bush 43 to Obama. During Obama's tenure in the White House, his college records were elusive. In the absence of "Executive Privilege" ... it's possible that some of these might finally be examined if the right amount of sleuthing were applied. This would be pretty interesting. Bush's school records are pretty well known. Obama's? ... not so much.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#46
We know that the British Dons at Oxford sealed Bill Clinton's records there after he was thrown out (without graduating) for his alleged rape of Eileen Wellstone. That was when he went into Communist Europe and stayed with the number one spy-recruitment specialist, as proved by KGB files after Glasnost and Peristroika. The woman he bragged about staying with for a month was later found out to be that Russian spy recruiter. The Dons at Oxford were concerned over their own school's reputation, so paid the Wellstone family to keep them silent.

Obama not only refuses to let his grades and school papers be made public, but also his admission files. We do know he was represented by the Saudi money manager of the Prince, who gifted the University with millions of dollars to create a Muslim studies department. Getting in at all with the abysmal grades he wrote about in his auto-biographies is another question. The only way anyone can speculate is that he got in under a foreign student program that may have repercussions on his citizenship.

Bush 43 was gifted with a brilliant mind and coasted through school easily. Lanny Davis, the Democrat strategist, warned his party not to underestimate Bush and gave chapter and verse on Bush's abilities while they were both at Yale.
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#47
Lowest profile indictments ever!!

Massively buried ... and no details ... but there are four indictments.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#48
ATTENTION ... RADIO SILENCE ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Both BBC and Telegraph are reporting FOUR indictments for leaks. None of this is being reported by media in this country. I've seen excerpts of Session's announcements but the indictments are not being covered at all here ... not even on Fox ... WTF?? There is no who or what on in the UK reports ... this should be huge and there isn't a viable peep. ???????????????????????
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#49
Yak,

Yea, that is weird. That should be public knowledge.

William,

"WE" consume the drugs and to the extent they were first introduced into the USA in a large way, the US federal state our elected government introduced LSD to all but a tiny group of scientists who were experimenting with it. That's when it exploded in popularity, it's called Says Law. "Supply creates it's own demand".

US government, 100% guilty on LSD. Via the CIA and their mind control efforts.

On heroin, the US federal state via the US Army/USAF worked with local Laotians to resist the communists. Good. The CIA though turned their heads when some of the Laotian leaders started running heroin through a US Airbase and into the USA and they had a lab on one airbase in Laos. First heroin ever in the USA. Says Law.

Our first "Rambo" type guy led the earliest effort in Laos( probably way before John was sent there) and he resigned in protest at the open drug trafficking the Laotians did and the CIA tolerated.

100% guilty on the US state.


On cocaine, it's mixed.

Our war on Nicaragua's Sandinistas( I loved and supported it personally) had the same results with cocaine that Laos and Vietnam had with heroin. Our CIA worked with men who began trafficking coke into the USA. Oliver North testified that often the funding for the contras was via coke sales. Wasn't a well known fact to us, but, Reagan and the state knew it.

Some of the leaders of the Cuban Bay of Pigs surviving crew got into drug sales in Miami in the decade following the Bay of Pigs. One of them was Felix Rodriguez. Felix was part of the cocaine delivery system via Nicaragua into California. Career CIA agent and a darn good one except for this.

Link below is generic, there is a 4 part History Channel series detailing all these allegations above.

If it were not for the US government, heroin nor coke would have been easily introduced into the nation. They facilitated both and Says Law says they created the demand for it which wise & criminal minded Colombian named Pablo Escobar saw it and ran with it. He learned of coke in the USA from Carlos Lehder(sic).

So, yes, the US federal state has a lot of moral liability on it for our drug problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involv...rafficking
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#50
First of all, Palladin, most Americans do NOT use so-called "recreational" drugs. I sure don't. So I resent your use of the terms "we" and "us" in this.

There is a point when it comes to Methadone--that was created by the government, intending it to help people get off opioids without dying from withdrawal symptoms. But it turned out to be plenty addictive in its own right.

A little over a century ago, it was not generally known how addictive cocaine was. The original formula for Coca-Cola included coca leaves and cola nuts (hence the name!)--which may explain its early popularity. Once it was well established how dangerous cocaine was, use of coca leaves in cola drinks was outlawed. Saturday Night Live did a skit on this once, showing how the removal of cocaine from Coca-Cola was followed by the Great Depression. S5

If any of the blame you try to pin on the U.S. government for the introduction of addictive drugs is valid, then you should sympathize with efforts by the government to try to curtail the trafficking in those drugs.

Just remember that a little over a century ago many people thought cocaine and heroine might be good for you. Both were legal.

Quote:Cocaine was first extracted from coca leaves in 1859 by German chemist Albert Niemann. It was not until the 1880s that it started to be popularized in the medical community....

From the 1850s to the early 1900s, cocaine and opium-laced elixirs (magical or medicinal potions), tonics and wines were broadly used by people of all social classes. Notable figures who promoted the “miraculous” effects of cocaine tonics and elixirs included inventor Thomas Edison and actress Sarah Bernhardt. The drug became popular in the silent film industry and the pro-cocaine messages coming out of Hollywood at that time influenced millions.

Cocaine use in society increased and the dangers of the drug gradually became more evident. Public pressure forced the Coca-Cola company to remove the cocaine from the soft drink in 1903.
Link: http://www.drugfreeworld.org/drugfacts/c...story.html

So then as now, blame Hollywood and the licentious, profligate lifestyle it has represented for the popularity of cocaine and other opiates.
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#51
If this is what Sessions is referencing, it's pretty underwhelming.  One 'activist', one pack rat and what looks like two outright crooks.  We can only hope that the Justice Department's efforts are like a duck.  Moving smoothly and effortlessly across the surface of a pond.  While, hopefully, little feet are feverishly paddling away.  However, if these four are the extent of DOJ efforts, that's truly depressing.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#52
(08-06-2017, 11:21 AM)mr_yak Wrote: If this is what Sessions is referencing, it's pretty underwhelming.  One 'activist', one pack rat and what looks like two outright crooks.  We can only hope that the Justice Department's efforts are like a duck.  Moving smoothly and effortlessly across the surface of a pond.  While, hopefully, little feet are feverishly paddling away.  However, if these four are the extent of DOJ efforts, that's truly depressing.

I believe MICHAEL LEDEEN is correct in his article at PJMedia. It is almost always the Big Boys, who have the most clout, who do most of the leaking.  Consequently, these people are almost never prosecuted, and they are the ones who need to be squashed more than anyone else.  

Quote:Except he didn’t do it. The leaker was Haig himself. So, as per Helms, no punishment. The big guys get to leak, punishment is for the small people.

One will get you three this will be the pattern in the administration’s anti-leak crusade. Attorney General Sessions said they have already identified three or four leakers. I don’t think he made it up, but it’s interesting that nobody’s leaked their identities, even in a generic way. Are the leakers untouchable, or is the evidence compelling, or are they worker bees of no importance, probably acting on instructions from a big guy, or what? Whatever it may be, odds are that the leakers, or their superiors, will turn out to be big names. And they are leaking for traditional power/personal motives: eliminate competitors, secure jobs, and so forth. Most Washington leakers are in this pool.

The odds-against theory would be ideological. According to this view, the leakers are insiders set on undoing the Trump presidency. They would be Obama holdovers, left in place precisely so that they can sabotage the president and his policies. Most of the time, these ideological motives are American, and the leakers have American motives and ambitions. But there are certainly foreign agents at work inside the government, and while their primary mission is to penetrate key agencies, some of them are “agents of influence,” for whom leaking is part of the tool box.

Place your bets.

These people are all DC Insiders and Deep State operatives, which means they are never prosecuted for their actions.   How much would you like to bet that the same thing is going on here with Trump?  That's why Sessions is going after the little fish, and not hauling in the Insiders for their own polygraph examination.  

Lets hope that Trump, being the evil Outsider, will go against the gain and really "Drain the Swamp" as he has promised.  But I'm not going to hold my breath.  Gah
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#53
Quote:... it usually turned out that the leaker was a very high-ranking official, quite often a cabinet secretary.

In most administrations, they would avoid ouster of high level people to dodge bad press and the appearance of incompetence.  Trump's administration seems like it would have little to lose on that score.  Paradoxically, if Kelly manages to pull off some wholesale housecleaning, it would have a polar opposite effect.  

I was initially encouraged by Scaramucci as he seemed like the type of hot head who could pull that sort of thing off.  He laid out out the prospect of firing an entire staff pretty openly.  And then he made the mistake of trusting a reporter ... and the rest is history.  

If they know who the Obama sleepers are there's no excuse for not removing them.  And a number of people need to go to jail as well.  McConnell should have responded to the health care vote debacle by forcing the Senate to stay in session and endure all the 'rat foot dragging required to get more cabinet appointments done.  Trump should have publicly demanded that.  Vast swaths of the federal bureaucracy are under Obama administration control by default.  That needs to get fixed ASAP and they've managed to p*ss away a prime opportunity for doing so.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#54
Quote: ...odds are that the leakers, or their superiors, will turn out to be big names. And they are leaking for traditional power/personal motives: eliminate competitors, secure jobs, and so forth.

More likely that the big names are just magnets for the leeches trying to get ahead by leaking for their benefit. That way, the big names can assume anonymity while still benefiting from the leaks. At the same time, the leakers, themselves, will have patrons to help them skate. Look at Hillary's eMail instigation that never happened. All her lower ranked leeches were offered immunity., so they skated and Hillary never had to answer any questions.

Also, assume that the big names will assume deniability even if they were involved up to their eyeballs. It's the nature of the Modus Operandi. Mr. Phelps went on his Impossible Missions, even though his big names told him before hand that he was alone at the pointy end.

I heard one wise guy on Fox saying Trump should disinform all his minions with slightly different stories, so that the leak, itself, would identify who leaked. I doubt that 150 different stories is possible. I'm sure that the loyal minions under Sessions are trying hard to unravel the leaking, but it is hard to fingerprint them. It is actually easier to dismiss the big names who have an anti-Trump agenda without cause - even knowing the media is just waiting to decry such a purge as Machiavellian.
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#55
Trump today tweeted a reference to General Pershing dousing Muslim terrorists with pig's blood, to deny them entry to Paradise. Snopes denies the good general ever did such a thing, but my own research confirmed without a doubt, that such tactics were used during the Crusades, and did work. Besides Pig blood and pig skin, human excrement was also used to coaver the blades of swords and arrowheads. Entire Muslim armies refused to fight.

I also remember in one Tom Clancy novel that an American hero who took down terrorists shooting innocents in a shopping mall made it a point to grab a football out of a shop to put a pig skin with the body of one of the bad guys.

If it works while all the ridicule?
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#56
Looks like the battle for hearts and mind is as hard as ever. Rachel Maddow no. 1. Fox leads in general - but the attacks from within as Murdock's Leftist children work to destroy the network has made inroads.
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#57
Bill,

It's getting late. I was getting ready to link some stuff from today. I swear I read several articles today that Trump had found several Administration leakers and was preparing to fire them very soon but was deferring to various ethics committees. But I'm doing searches and not finding the same stuff ... not even close. The search engines seem a bit dorked up. The only references are from months ago. Not sure what's going on. I'll see if I can find info from histories tomorrow.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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