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Trump needs to go full Obama
#21
Sure. And if Sessions has been "rehabilitated" by the Anti-Trumpers, then those charged and dragged into court won't have much to save them.

Rush has been trumpeted by all the anti-Trumpers as against Trump because of his tweets about Sessions - but they just haven't been listening. He thinks it is brilliant.
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#22
RE: Stalin ... No need to go all progrom.  Just some firings and a prosecution or two ... or three.  Scooter Libby was prosecuted for 'outing' someone who had already 'outed' herself and bore exactly zero vulnerability.  Compare and contrast with the NYT advertising the CIA point man on Iran. Mike Pompeo called this 'unconscionable'.  The p*ss poor excuse as to why this isn't outright treason is that they already endangered him by exposing him earlier and the fact that he's not stationed in Iran ... and therefore hasn't been arrested and executed.  Suuuuuccccchhhh B*llsh*t!!  Iran, Quds force, assassins, etc ... know his name, his address, family members ... kid's school ... he is effectively done as an operative ... and his life and that of his family is probably still in danger.

This was done shelter Iran ... probably in homage to Obama's 'legacy' accomplishment.  I expect this domino to fall.  The lefty media is going to go (even more) nuts when the indictment comes ... but it's kind of hard to imagine them being even more hostile to Trump's administration than they already are.  Obama's real legacy is that there ARE NO MORE RULES under the cloak of preserving national security.  Unless the Times contact was via some cloak and dagger 'drop' system, all the information to run down the source is available somewhere in that huge building in Utah.  Hell, they could probably go ahead and dot all the i's and cross all the t's with an actual warrant to access the data.  If Sessions isn't just grand standing, this should be target #1 and the reporter that broke it should get the Judy Miller treatment ... gosh golly wasn't her time in jail for contempt due to involvement in outing another CIA agent? (see above) ... seems like a precedent to me ... exact same paper ... similar disclosure ... except for being much worse. They most likely already know who the leaker is ... the problem is summoning the political will to take the steps necessary to throw him/her in jail.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#23
Incorrect on Scooter Libby. He was never suspected of outing Plame,, because the guy who did was already identified. It was a continual drumbeat of questioning until they caught him out misspeaking. Bush 43 should have pardoned him immediately, but didn't.
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#24
Point taken, but he was still prosecuted and convicted.  Bush commuted the prison time ... but he still had to pay $250K and do hundreds of hours of community service.  How do you think that rates against a person that actually did real consequential damage?  The young lady from Georgia didn't even bother to pretend to cover her tracks.  It will be interesting to see how much time she is facing and it will be a good gauge of whether or not they are serious.

Here's another potentially interesting twist in the works.
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#25
(07-28-2017, 09:15 PM)mr_yak Wrote: Point taken, but he was still prosecuted and convicted.  Bush commuted the prison time ... but he still had to pay $250K and do hundreds of hours of community service.  How do you think that rates against a person that actually did real consequential damage?  The young lady from Georgia didn't even bother to pretend to cover her tracks.  It will be interesting to see how much time she is facing and it will be a good gauge of whether or not they are serious.

Here's another potentially interesting twist in the works.

I agree Jack. I've been reading about her now for at least a couple of weeks, wondering when they would throw the book at her. Spiteful
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#26
The second link is far more interesting ... if it pans out.

This appears to tie out with the earlier reports that Sessions will soon make an announcement. The rift with Sessions could be simple impatience ... then again, it could be something more choreographed .... who knows? An indictment (or at least an announcement of an investigation) of the FBI's General Council is going to be pretty shocking news. Maybe the rift thing was intended as some sort of Kabuki theater? Apparently there has been a Grand Jury looking at the leak of the CIAs hacking tool set for months now ... and that may be due to drop soon as well. It's unlikely that the "pre-announcements" would be made unless the investigations are close to being done.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#27
(07-28-2017, 10:03 PM)mr_yak Wrote: ...Maybe the rift thing was intended as some sort of Kabuki theater?  Apparently there has been a Grand Jury looking at the leak of the CIAs hacking tool set for months now ... and that may be due to drop soon as well.  It's unlikely that the "pre-announcements" would be made unless the investigations are close to being done.

Look at what Rush said: Here.
Quote:The public flaying of Jeff Sessions is strategic, designed to hide from the media and the Democrats what’s really going on. Meaning: Trump berating Sessions every day and everybody noticing and everybody saying, “Well, just fire him,” or taking up arms for Sessions, defending Sessions. The image is clear that Sessions isn’t doing anything Trump wants. When in fact, behind the scenes, everybody’s on board to finally taking it to the Democrats and doing an investigation, but they know they can’t do that if everybody’s aware they’re doing it.

So this treatment of Sessions is designed to make it look like he’s an incompetent idiot who is actually in opposition to Trump when the truth is they’ve all collectively decided this months ago. I heard this theory espoused last night. I know what you’re saying, “Rush, aren’t you worried? Aren’t you worried that by publicizing this you’re blowing it?” Nah. I mean, even if it is happening, the media’s not gonna believe it, ’cause they haven’t heard a leak about it, and if nobody’s leaking about it, it’s not happening.
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#28
Recusal can mean a lot of things.  I think if (hopefully when) there are high level indictments, Sessions (as he is the AG) will make them.  The media and the 'rats will howl quite loudly.  Sessions can properly make the argument that simply because he's removed himself from direct control over "The Russia Investigations" doesn't mean that they are not going forward.  Likewise, he can make the argument that "the leak" investigations are going forward as well.  It's not possible to argue that the one (that the 'rats and media favor) should proceed and the other (which the do not) should not.  Much of this depends on the actual status of Rosenstein.  It's possible he's been cut out ... and it's possible he's simply doing the job.  On one hand he hired Mueller ... on the other he wrote the memo that got Comey fired.  He seems to be a bit of a wildcard.

I watched Sessions in an interview calling Trump's comments "hurtful" ... and then following up insisting he's going to go forward with doing his job.  He's either got incredibly thick skin or he's in on the gag.

I think we may see some things happen next week.  Again, if there is an announcement involving James Baker ... it's going to get really interesting.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#29
If Rush is right, and I first heard him make this pronouncement over a week ago, then Sessions would have to be in on it. It couldn't be any other way.

We'll probably never know until after the administration is out of office. But this is the theory that makes the most sense to me.
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#30
Now Dana Perino, over at FNC, has her own theory as to why this is an artful charade. And she thinks Trump is playing "Musical Chairs" for a reason.

Dana Perino explains why WH shake-up is really just a masterfully planned game of chess

This is an interesting article. Remember, Director of Homeland Security is now open. If Sessions moves over to it, someone else can move in and fire Mueller. Then everyone will have saved face, and we can all live happily ever after. S5
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#31
I'm not sure I buy into the musical chairs theory.  But when it comes to Machiavellian scheming ... consider a slightly different angle.  Trump's 'hurtful' treatment is greatly elevating Sessions stature.  Even the media are circling the wagons supporting him and demanding that he not be fired ... condemning the 'bullying' ... etc...  you get the sense that this AG can simply do no wrong.  (Sorry Palladin ... but the talking heads are much to busy bolstering him against Trump's slights to spend much time criticizing his perceived draconian stances on drugs and confiscation).

But can you imagine the whiplash if he were to come out with a bunch of high level indictments of formerly "anonymous current and past officials" next week?

Not sure about going after the Clintons directly, but there a long list of high and mid level people that should probably be a little nervous.  Also, the person responsible for the Vault 7 leak most likely is under surveillance right now and are probably not going to be able to simply hop a flight to Hong Kong.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Rachel Maddow's show to try to drum up sympathy and support for "whistle-blowing" prior to an arrest that they have to know is coming.

...............edit..................

Hey, check out some eye-popping "anti-leaks" from last week. Stories that have been stubbornly un or under reported by MSM ... hopefully, the White House can shine a big bright light on these next week.

1. TRUMP DOSSIER’ FIRM, FUSION GPS WORKED FOR RUSSIA
2. DEMOCRATIC STAFFER ARREST – IMRAN AWAN
3. FBI GENERAL COUNSEL UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFO TO THE MEDIA (as discussed above)
4. JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CALL FOR SECOND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE OBAMA ADMIN (dovetails nicely with the Rush comments)

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-releas...stigation/
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#32
(07-30-2017, 12:23 PM)mr_yak Wrote: I'm not sure I buy into the musical chairs theory.  But when it comes to Machiavellian scheming ... consider a slightly different angle.  Trump's 'hurtful' treatment is greatly elevating Sessions stature.  Even the media are circling the wagons supporting him and demanding that he not be fired ... condemning the 'bullying' ... etc...  you get the sense that this AG can simply do no wrong.  (Sorry Palladin ... but the talking heads are much to busy bolstering him against Trump's slights to spend much time criticizing his perceived draconian stances on drugs and confiscation).

But can you imagine the whiplash if he were to come out with a bunch of high level indictments of formerly "anonymous current and past officials" next week?

Not sure about going after the Clintons directly, but there a long list of high and mid level people that should probably be a little nervous.  Also, the person responsible for the Vault 7 leak most likely is under surveillance right now and are probably not going to be able to simply hop a flight to Hong Kong.  I wouldn't be surprised to see them on Rachel Maddow's show to try to drum up sympathy and support for "whistle-blowing" prior to an arrest that they have to know is coming.

...............edit..................

Hey, check out some eye-popping "anti-leaks" from last week.  Stories that have been stubbornly un or under reported by MSM ... hopefully, the White House can shine a big bright light on these next week.

1.   TRUMP DOSSIER’ FIRM, FUSION GPS WORKED FOR RUSSIA
2.   DEMOCRATIC STAFFER ARREST – IMRAN AWAN
3.   FBI GENERAL COUNSEL UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR LEAKING CLASSIFIED INFO TO THE MEDIA (as discussed above)
4.   JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CALL FOR SECOND INDEPENDENT COUNSEL TO INVESTIGATE OBAMA ADMIN (dovetails nicely with the Rush comments)

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-releas...stigation/

Jack, I'm going to tell you what disgusts me more than anything else. The Jackasses are continually caught with crimes and they continually manage to get away with them, and never once put on trial and convicted for anything. They never wind up paying a price. And The Beast,........she is the worst of the worst.

And the Dumbasses have all this ammunition at their disposal. And what do they do with it? Not a G-d Damned thing! And its because they don't really want to do anything, because they are either afraid they may not be admitted back into the DC Insider's graces, or they lack the moral courage to do the right thing. This is why I left that sorry herd, and have little good to say about them.

And all you have to do is just watch Ryan and McConnell shuffle back and forth, accomplishing nothing,.....and not have a worry in the universe. This is exactly why you, and I, and countless millions of citizens deserve far better. I watch the Ted Cruzes, Trey Gowdys, and Rand Pauls standing up for what is right, and the Dumbass leadership is out to lunch on a continual basis, my blood pressure soars over it all. I just want to grab my carbine and get out in the street and shoot some politicians and bureaucrats.

I hate them all, and I want to see some real blood to flow. If there is ever a lynch mob headed to DC and intent on stringing up the insiders, you can count on me being right there with them. I'm ready to take my pound of flesh for all the corruption, waste, and sins being committed by those sorry crooks.

And you remember how I used to say that if Washington ever grew a mushroom cloud over the WH, I would be the first person in the street, dancing a jig. I mean it. I want retribution, because its grossly overdue. S24 Gah
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#33
Recusal or no recusal, are you expecting Sessions et. al. to simply let things go?  That sort of refutes the speculation discussed above doesn't it?  I would expect a lot of squeamishness about going after Comey ... but his General Council bud? .... that may be accessible low hanging fruit.  I think the idea of a second special council is brilliant.  There will be much howling about it, but it solves a problem.  Mueller isn't going to go after this aspect of the Russia narrative and Sessions has more or less walled himself off from the hands on portion of it.  This is the perfect opportunity to "widen the scope" of the investigation.  Actually, that is probably a misnomer ... the investigation of those matters is probably concluding.  It provides the opportunity to actually begin the prosecution of the characters involved.

We'll never see a Clinton indictment ... not even Lynch or Holder ... but there is ample room for airing of lots of embarrassing dirty laundry and the netting of lower level subordinates and "anonymous officials" ... particular the ones that remained in the employ of the federal government and continued with the various felonies involving the compromise of classified and confidential materials.  Forgive me for low expectations, but if this were pulled off, I would be very satisfied. Again, pardon my lack of standards John. I'm not sure I need to see Lynch in handcuffs to be happy ... but hearing her being forced to plead the 5th (again) would suit me just fine ... particularly if it was followed by the presentation of evidence proving her guilt.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#34
Dana Perino laid out a nice theory - but it fails with the understanding that both Sessions moving to Homeland Security or someone else coming in to the FBI needs confirmation.

What Rush said still stands. Session is being validated by the Left and the anti-Trumpers. Forget about firing Mueller, instead look at indicting Hillary, Bill, Loretta, Obama, and all the Leftists who have always skated. Can they skate while Mueller is still there? How can someone new coming in to the FBI get rid of Mueller. Just having the authority doesn't make it likely.

I want Sheriff Clarke to be appointed to Homeland Security to replace General Kelly, but almost anyone can step in now that Kelly has all the gears moving in the right direction.
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#35
WmLambert,

Please read #4 above. At issue is a second independent prosecutor to look into all the items that Mueller and his team is going to ignore. Again, I don't see this to go after the Clintons or the Obama cronies ... but their subordinates like Rice and Brennan
as well as all the "anonymous unnamed officials" (aka treasonous leakers) might well be low hanging fruit.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#36
Leftists aren't always wrong and rightists aren't always right.

Sessions is invalid IF loving our constitution is important. His confiscation rules are anathema to limitation of police power/4th amendment respect/respect for private property.

His desire to ignore state laws legalizing pot mean the 10th amendment isn't much with him as well.

If the constitution and the limitation of power isn't a thing with you, well he's validated.
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#37
Palladin,

I live in a state that is one of the most deeply invested in the pot trade in the entire nation. And nobody here ... up to and including our leftist governor has made a single peep about Sessions as far as dope is concerned. Actually here's evidence that it's effectively a non-issue. From memory, there has been one large and controversial raid here since the state went "weed legal" by DEA but that was back in the Obama era.

Regardless of his rhetoric, Sessions has more pressing matters at hand than busting people that drink a little bong water. And again, I'm hoping we maybe he'll maybe 'share' some of these concerns perhaps as early as next week.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#38
Wow ... the Mooch is out.  I really thought that there was some purpose to hiring him.  Then again, after venting his spleen and being dumb enough to expect a reporter to honor a confidence ... probably well past time to go.  At least Kelly has the right idea when it comes to leaks.  He probably has good taps into the resources required to identify them as well.  Meanwhile, still waiting on Sessions ... hopefully it will be worth the wait.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#39
More power to Kelly. The Mootch went too far, and was dealt with immediately. We are now discussing the next steps. Why he was let go is obvious.

I still like Sheriff Clarke for Kelly's old spot. Who for Mootch? So far Kelly Anne and Ann Coulter have been suggested.

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#40
Kelly, being a top general, knows how to run a tight show. Also, delegating authority and responsibility is one of his fortes.

The only problem may well be how he gets along with The Donald and his style of management. We will find out over the next few weeks.
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