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Trump Derangement Syndrome
So you're good with ridiculing an elderly 94 year old man that served in combat who isn't even in modern politics and a man who served 6-7 years as a POW in the military you both served in for being captured? Kinda of hard hearted there ain't it?


That ain't what your church preaches. The Episcopal Church does a heck of a good job of preaching a reasonable interpretation of God and our role which is not holding people in contempt like this.

Where did you learn this then? Who taught you to hold people in contempt like this such that ridiculing specifically these 2 men in these 2 specific paradigms is something God approves of John?
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(07-07-2018, 03:33 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...Like William here, he attacks an honorable man who served the nation in combat while at the same time both William and Trump  never did. Did this with McCain as well, both are despicable displays of callous and narcissistic behavior and this crowd cheered him for ridiculing old man Bush at 94 years old with his wife just departed.  For those who can still think, put this in your "is this really a decent human" pipe and smoke it and at the same time consider this crowd is a typical GOP crowd.

You're losing it, Palladin. First I don't gush over Trump.

What I do is combat disinformation. What you don't seem to understand is that the attacks on Trump are pure disinformation. You buy into it like a cat on catnip. Trump has been a good man since he waa a young man. Ask all those Democrats who gave him all those awards over his entire career for minority support and benevolence. You have accepted every false denigration Hillary and her crime family has invented. Moreover you have extended the attack to include anyone who points out the disinformation.

Right now, by your actions, you are a Hillary supporter, the kind she laughs at.
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Wiliam,

Yes of course, anyone saying anything not totally worshipful of Don J Trump is a secret Hillary activist or maybe a communist or maybe a secret agent for Maduro in Venezuela or Al Baghdadi somewhere in the Syrian desert.

So, it is inaccurate to complain about: Trump not only separated kids from their mothers, has lost several of the kid/parent relations and is having to ask the court for more time to return them(BTW psychologists say the psychological trauma is permanent not that you care).

Him denigrating a POW in the same war John fought in(John approves) who suffered tremendously for 6-7 years in the Hanoi Hilton **for being a POW** while at the same time Don the wooden idol Trump got a deferral for "BONE SPURS"(big rich man move there), denigrated a 94 year old elderly man who served honorably in WWII and as POTUS of the same GOP genre who had not even had words with this unfair hateful bully.

BTW, that GOP crowd cheered when Trump did this. So you and John have a lot of company in your "normal human respect is for stupid ass communists or jihadis I reckon" paradigm. This isn't even discussing political events, just his lack of character.

IF you really believe this is good like John does, my question to you is where did you get your morality such that this is a proper way to treat people? How does a person become so warped that you think evil is good? How did that happen to you, William?

Please, spare me the common answer, "Obama did it, too". If the guy before Hitler had been doing the holocaust, I still would hold Hitler accountable along with the other creep.
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/elderly-hi...r-country/

Hope you Pharisees are happy with your Adolf Hitler type leader and his effect on our culture.
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(07-10-2018, 12:05 AM)Palladin Wrote: https://nypost.com/2018/07/09/elderly-hi...r-country/

Hope you  Pharisees are happy with your Adolf Hitler type leader and his effect on our culture.

Interesting. Somehow I always thought that as a follower of the Baby Jesus, we were all responsible for our own actions, and would be judged accordingly. You must be a member of a hybrid branch of New Testament believers, where independent thought is verboten. Shock

Again, allow me to point you to the Book of John, chapter 8. Have you read it lately Patrick?
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(07-07-2018, 08:40 PM)Palladin Wrote: But, you have become sensitive to cows I see, which I like that.

Patrick, I'm still waiting to find out just what you mean by "sensitive to cows" part. Please enlighten.
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You mentioned the other day in a post that you had decided not to eat cows anymore, you addressed it to Ron. There was a picture of a cow laying her head in a human's lap.

Concerning the hate filled bonehead in the URL above, you're stupid if you don't realize leaders influence followers. One woman even screamed at a Mexican man, "even the POTUS says you people are rapists and murderers"!

Ron parroted that exact line the mental midget he is.



Now, who should be in jail for kidnap if this story is accurate? Trump, the ICE bastards that violated the law and stole a citizen's baby w/o due process or both?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border...spartandhp
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(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: You mentioned the other day in a post that you had decided not to eat cows anymore, you addressed it to Ron. There was a picture of a cow laying her head in a human's lap.

Its been months since I have eaten any beef products, as far as I can tell.  I don't even use butter, or mayonnaise, because I use coconut oil in their place.  Now, I do consume some milk, but that does not harm the cows.  


(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: Concerning the hate filled bonehead in the URL above, you're stupid if you don't realize leaders influence followers. One woman even screamed at a Mexican man, "even the POTUS says you people are rapists and murderers"!

Stooping to the low of labeling any of us 'Stupid', is more a reflection on you, rather than others.  As for the woman, who beat the elderly Latino, I think its safe to say that she had a prexisting mental attitude much longer than just recently.   I'm surprised that you are not aware of how people tend to have these shortcomings well before they act out on them.  It makes you appear very ignorant, and narrow-minded, to tell you the truth.  

And as for her proclaiming that she was crediting Trump for directly influencing her thinking and actions, that is an admission that  she is severely lacking in decency more than anyone else.  Furthermore, I know for a fact that Trump was directly referring to criminals and MS-13 gang members, not Latinos in general.  If you don't know this, then you are just as ignorant and narrow-minded as the woman you are ridiculing.  

Also an adult is directly responsible for his or her actions, the same as with you Patrick.  If you listen to someone, who is preaching hatefulness, and you take action on your own will, it is YOU who are directly responsible for your actions.  I don't know how many times this is repeated over and over, in the Bible, with both the Old and New Testament.  And yet, you conveniently forget it when it doesn't suit your script.  Why is that Patrick?  Why are you so willing to blame others than the very ones who commit the acts?  It is that hate filled woman, who is responsible for this, not The Donald.  And like I said, he was not referring to all Latinos breaking the law and crossing the border illegally.  

Grow up and acquire some mature responsibility, for heaven's sake.   You are trying to pin the blame on someone else, who you despise, and want to hold responsible for other's actions.   As Spock would say, "That is Illogical Captain".  And it really is illogical, so please acquire some wisdom to go along with your fifty some odd years as an East Tennessee Hilly Billy.

(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: Ron parroted that exact line the mental midget he is.

Does it make you feel superior to accuse others of being mentally small, while you claim to be a giant of intellectual prowess?  

I don't know what has come over you, but looking at it from your POV I would be forced to believe that Lucifer had taken control of your mind, and turned you into some sort of hateful hypocrite.  And you should well know what Jesus and the elders of the Old Testament had to say about hypocrites, correct?  

 
(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: Now, who should be in jail for kidnap if this story is accurate? Trump, the ICE bastards that violated the law and stole a citizen's baby w/o due process or both?

Kidnapping?  Were we talking about that?  And if you are referring to the rule that legally separated the adults from the children, I believe that was part of the law itself, which has been around for years.  Trump did not invent that rule/law, but he just recently changed it.

Do you even know WHY the children were separated from the adults?  Do you?  For your information, many of the adults caught in border crossing, some of them were criminals, and gang members, who managed to escape detection, and would be able to molest, rape, or cause other physical harm to the children.  It was standard procedure in order to keep the children from potential harm.  Do you think that just because a woman or man claimed to be the parent of several children that they were being truthful?  And suppose they were allowed to remain with those people, and they wound up dead or raped, what would you think then?  And who would you have blamed for that?  Let me guess: that Evil Trump and, his "ICE bastards", right?   I wonder why you never bothered to blame MacDaddy for the very things you are screaming and spitting spittle over The Donald?  Why is that Patrick?

BTY, did you know that the overwhelming majority of ICE agents on the border are Spanish speaking citizens, who originally came from.......you know where.  S5

My point is that all this was according to the rule of law, and all those ICE bastards were only following the law.  I'll bet you didn't know that did you?

(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border...spartandhp

I guess this was what you were referring to above.  Somehow I just took all this one hyperventilated Angry screed at a time.  And this brings me to something I have tried to get you to do for some time now:  learn how to properly use a link, and be able to incorporate it into a post.  You still don't know how to do this, do you?  I don't know how many time I have mentioned this, but I'll do so one more time.  And don't feel so bad, that 'so called' mental midget, Ron never learned how to do it either.  

NOTE: when you wish to insert a link,  move your cursor up right above the message window, where you will see a line of objects that refer to specific actions.  If you look you will find an envelop that has a (+) at the lower right of the envelope.  Directly to its right is a short link made up of three pieces and also a (+) to the lower right.  If you click on it, you will see a box that says "Enter URL:"  Just insert the correct link there and click "OK", and presto, your link will suddenly appear where the blinking cursor was blinking in the message box.  VOLA!  Try it and you will see how easy it is.  

Master this little action that even a Dufus can learn to do, and when you master it, I will show you how to also add a title into the link, so you can become more knowledgeable than before.  Now, try it and see how easy it really is.  Stirthepot
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(07-10-2018, 06:59 PM)Palladin Wrote: Now, who should be in jail for kidnap if this story is accurate? Trump, the ICE bastards that violated the law and stole a citizen's baby w/o due process or both?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/border...spartandhp

First of all, the facts of the story are so sketchy that accuracy is not possible at this time. And how do you know that Trump, or the ICE bastards violated the law? The odds are that the child came up from Mexico, and was probably with someone else. It could have been the parent, or a sponsor.

No telling. So, Please,....please, try not to make such snap decisions, and the worst ones possible, before we know the story. To you its always our fault, and never the illegals coming across the border.

One other thing. If your fellow Americans, Trump, and the Evil government are as willfully terrible as you seem to be so certain, then what are you doing here? Why haven't you gone somewhere else, where things are so much better and fair? And remember, someone who only talks about problems, and never offers positive solutions, will never have any problems solved. All that someone only has time to do is bitch and moan, and nothing else.
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Well, for your first reply, no it doesn't make me feel better to be harsh, it's hard not to be when you see people supporting cruelty though. I see some robotic responses in this place anymore.

The answer Ron gave the other day was exactly what Trump preaches, that Mexicans are rapists and murderers. He repeated that exact line and yes he is following the lead of the leader, Ron didn't suddenly decide Mexicans are rapists and murderers, we've all known each other here for over a decade.

Yes, I believe in individual responsibility as well, but, reality and the bible paint a picture where followers follow leaders, even when the leaders are dead wrong.

If I'm right here, Ron will regret his following in this regard, there's your individual responsibility angle and no Jerusalemite in 70 AD that ignored Jesus' instructions to flee Jerusalem when the Romans came could later fall back on "well, that's what the leaders said do"! They got themselves massacred and their country taken away from them by following those leaders, but, they too paid the price.




Concerning the "kidnap" story, I said IF the story turns out accurate, someone should be in jail. A US citizen cannot have their child stolen from them with no charges. Not if you are part of a decent people group. I doubt most Trump supporters care.
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(07-11-2018, 10:21 AM)Palladin Wrote: The answer Ron gave the other day was exactly what Trump preaches, that Mexicans are rapists and murderers. He repeated that exact line and yes he is following the lead of the leader, Ron didn't suddenly decide Mexicans are rapists and murderers, we've all known each other here for over a decade.

One more time,........he did not say that. He was only addressing criminals and gang members. Granted he was not all that specific, but even you should have the common sense to know that he was not talking about ALL illegal immigrants. Please try to pay closer attention to things, ok?

(07-11-2018, 10:21 AM)Palladin Wrote: Yes, I believe in individual responsibility as well, but, reality and the bible paint a picture where followers follow leaders, even when the leaders are dead wrong.

Again, the real burden of responsibility lies with the person doing wrong. What you are implicitly doing is switching the Real blame on to someone you despise. Like it or not, this is a clear case of "Intellectual Dishonesty".

(07-11-2018, 10:21 AM)Palladin Wrote: If I'm right here, Ron will regret his following in this regard,....

And ridiculing him by calling him names is going to accomplish your argument? Or was you Real purpose not that at all, but rather to denigrate him?



(07-11-2018, 10:21 AM)Palladin Wrote:   Concerning the "kidnap" story, I said IF the story turns out accurate, someone should be in jail. A US citizen cannot have their child stolen from them with no charges.  Not if you are part of a decent people group. I doubt most Trump supporters care.

And again, the real facts are not being explained in the article. It could have been an honest mistake that had no malice at all. But instead of blaming the bureaucracy, you are choosing to blame the individuals. Do you not see the difference here?

Or is this all about the "Glories of Condescension"?
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On Ron's comment:

I can't even locate it now, but, if you are most accurate it still shows he is either not an independent thinker following Trump's nonsense or he's a racist, only he and God would know.

How do I know that? Because Ron singled out Mexicans and he has never in a decade made a comment about Jews or Germans like that. Jews came here and with communism fairly well regarded within Jewish culture in the last 19th century, John, you should know that.

Most our cold war traitors were Jews for example, that's just a demonstrable historic fact. Jews were a significant mobster element at one era.

Ever heard me refer to Jews as "rapists, communists and murderers" or even an element of them?

Have you ever seen Ron make those points? Have you or William or Don J Trump ever discussed how all groups have their evil element?
No because they aren't the current scapegoat here, Mexicans and their tiny neighbors are.

That whole thing is evil. It's like Hitler and Jews, just not as gross, violent or blatant. You should consider that amigo.


No, ridiculing Ron isn't helpful, I already backtracked on that, but, for a Christian preacher he sure defers to Uncle Sam a lot when killing is the name of the game and he's preaching dehumanizing a part of God's human creation and as his fellow Christian that just irks the hell right out of me.



On the child and mom citizen question. A mistake? An agent of this despicable state took an infant from her mother against the law, you do not presume people( all people) in this nation are criminals , we used to have this tradition called a trial. All that silly innocent before proving your guilty ain't so much if it's Mexicans getting mistreated I see.

Girl is an American, how do you mistakenly think girl is not an American? By racial profiling as you know, that's how they apprehend 95% of all these folks, blatantly illegal, too.

You 3 guys are just sold out to Don J Trump. This child was kidnapped, period and so were all the others. You're a criminal post conviction you twit. You're actually embarrassing at this point John.

Next time you take an infant from it's mother with a gun in your hand, I'll call the cops on ya and testify against you.

Here's some evidence there is going to be permanent damage done by this moral vomit leader we have:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/10/us/po...rants.html

I know you do not give a damn, I just want you to see what you've supported until you vomit. Remember, this hyena running the USA would still be doing the separations were it not for some decent people who refuse to follow a hard hearted human leader. Maybe all you 3 amigos can get a poster of that little 4'5" Guatamalan lady who got shot in her fucking face the other day by some ICE monster in broad day light.

I hope the guy is convicted of 1st degree murder. Never has happened in our history to my knowledge, it's just an accident it happened after our leader dehumanized these people. Germans never went around burning down Jewish businesses until a certain leader successfully dehumanized them for the creeps either.
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Palladin, which Ron are you talking about? I cannot recognize myself in any of your descriptions.
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The Ron that called Mexicans rapists and murders earlier. He's a preacher up in Michigan that I am disappointed in.
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