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Trump Derangement Syndrome
#61
It is impossible for the nation with by far the largest economy and military power not to exert decisive influence all throughout the planet. The responsible thing to do is be intelligent about it, and seek to make our influence count on the side of rationality and fairness for all. To fail to face up to our inescapable responsibility is foolish. Whatever we decide to do and stand for--or not do and not stand for--will unavoidably have great influence over all other nations.

Ignoring reality and not charging tariffs on countries that impose large tariffs on us, is setting an example for foolishness, not wisdom. America must make it clear to the whole world that all-out trade war is the only alternative to free and fair trade.
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#62
Ron. First, face up to your internal responsibilities before dreaming of guiding the rest of the world. If the US was "fair and rational", IMO, one would know it. It's the least place on Earth were I would want to have issues with justice.
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#63
(06-22-2018, 04:48 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: ...It's the least place on Earth were I would want to have issues with justice.

Another silly statement. How many other nations allow all accused to confront one's accuser? How many other places allow a trial by peers? Those two rights are not in our Bill of Rights... they are embedded in the core of the Constitution, itself.
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#64
Your constitution doesn't prevent lawyers to negotiate the judgement with hundreds of thousands of dollars. If you don't have money the sentence is totally disproportionate against you. Completely useless and disregarded.
I would feel safer in a court in Congo than in the US.
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#65
"Bongo, bongo, bongo, I don't wanna live in the Congo." If you would prefer to live there, then go. See what the reality is.

Why do you think so many people want to immigrate to the USA?
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#66
Ron, I never said I wanted to live in Congo. Certainly not. But if I was sued, and I could chose between a court in the US or one in any other country of the world, I would chose whatever this country is, randomly and ASAP, no matter how bad its reputation.
Don't think I hate the US. No I like it. There are many reasons why I would like to live in the US. But the court system is one of the reason why I wouldn't. The second is maybe the cost of healthcare.
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#67
Ron how do you figure we're being out traded? We have record low unemployment, record high revenue to the treasury?

You need to check facts before believing this know nothing bonehead on trade. He's going to wreck our economies.
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#68
Canada has long been charging a tariff on American steel of 25%. We have long been charging zero tariff on Canadian steel. Likewise for copper, HVAC equipment, etc. Same goes for our European trade partners. Look at the basic facts of the matter.

Our economy is doing so well because of the sound principles of management that President Trump has been applying. It is remarkable that we are doing so well despite the grossly unfair, unbalanced tariffs that victimize our country in trade. Imagine how much further improvement there will be if trade becomes fair, without any tariffs.

Most of the nations of Europe are socialist to varying degrees. Socialism is based on coveting the possessions of others. So of course those socialist nations think they have a right to demand unfair trade tariffs from us because we have such great wealth and productivity. If those nations who are now deceived by the false doctrine of socialism, would turn to a compassionate capitalism, and quit punishing businesses for being successful, then they would be prosperous like us.
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#69
(06-26-2018, 06:19 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Ron, I never said I wanted to live in Congo. Certainly not. But if I was sued, and I could chose between a court in the US or one in any other country of the world, I would chose whatever this country is, randomly and ASAP, no matter how bad its reputation.
Don't think I hate the US. No I like it. There are many reasons why I would like to live in the US.  But the court system is one of the reason why I wouldn't. The second is maybe the cost of healthcare.

If I may, let me recommend a Great Read, not because it is entertaining, but because it is oh so prophetic.  He's also one of my favorite intellectuals, who understood economics better than a good percentage of today's 'so called' economists.  He's my favorite Frenchman of all time.

If you don't know about him, here is a good introduction, from one of my favorite Classic Liberal sites, FEE.  Why Bastiat Is As Relevant As Ever

And here's the work I am referring to.  He also first wrote this in French, which is your primary language.  Its easy to find.  S22

That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen: Frédéric Bastiat
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#70
Watch this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peoplean...spartanntp

This woman believes everything this vicious POTUS says. So do most of you guys.

What a country.
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#71
Ron Wrote:Our economy is doing so well because of the sound principles of management that President Trump has been applying.
And what did Turmp do? Absolutely Nothing. He just lowered the taxes for companies, which is not bad in itself, but had a minimal influence on the economy.
The economy was already booming before Trump took office.

Now Trump is going to start ruining the economy very soon unless some lobby forces him to reverse his decision.

Automakers warn U.S. tariffs will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs.
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#72
(06-27-2018, 05:12 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
Ron Wrote:Our economy is doing so well because of the sound principles of management that President Trump has been applying.
And what did Turmp do? Absolutely Nothing. He just lowered the taxes for companies, which is not bad in itself, but had a minimal influence on the economy.

I don't agree. He lowered Income Taxes across the board, which means the citizenry too. It has had a huge influence on the economy. And he's done much more than that, on many things, such as get rid of wasteful programs, and cutting down the bureaucracy.

(06-27-2018, 05:12 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The economy was already booming before Trump took office.

Again, that is not so. The economy was growing, but at a very slow rate. It has now more than doubled. I don't know the exact numbers, but it is considerable.

(06-27-2018, 05:12 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Now Trump is going to start ruining the economy very soon unless some lobby forces him to reverse his decision.

Here is where I will agree with you. However, something tells me that he has a lot of leverage, which he is employing so as to level the playing field. I have my fingers crossed that he knows what he is doing. But I agree, tariffs are bad for any economy. Think "Smoot-Hawley", and the world depression it caused. I wonder why other countries have been using huge tariffs on the US, and we have allowed them to get away with it, up until now?

Reasonable tariffs are reasonable, because they can be used to pay the costs of doing business. But when it is used as punishment, it can be a Lose-Lose. I still have my fingers crossed. Banghead

(06-27-2018, 05:12 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Automakers warn U.S. tariffs will cost hundreds of thousands of jobs.
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#73
(06-26-2018, 08:41 PM)Palladin Wrote: Watch this:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/peoplean...spartanntp

This woman believes everything this vicious POTUS says. So do most of you guys.

What a country.

Yes, it is a great country. I don't remember Trump ever inspiring such insipid attitude. The woman obviously has problems. I think she needs help, not to be highlighted as representative of any other person. No one on this forum follow anyone blindly. I respond to disinformation, not indulge in idol-worship. You should have a tattoo of a straw man inked onto your chest, because evidently, straw man arguments is your M.O.
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#74
JL Wrote:I wonder why other countries have been using huge tariffs on the US, and we have allowed them to get away with it, up until now?
Because these tariffs were not that huge and have always been the result of diplomatic agreements.
It's Trump who said that these tariffs were huge. It's not the reality. It's proven by the fact that other countries raise tariffs on US goods now. If other countries have room to retaliate it means tariff on US goods were not that huge.

I agree that Trump lowered income taxes and that has helped the economy.

But now he doesn't know what he is doing because he is influenced by very large, yet very specific lobbies and ignores totaly the reality of 99% of the rest of the economy.
In this case he has been lobbied by the Big Steel. A handfull of steel producers seems to be the only ones to support the new tariff.

Just see: over 22,500 applications for exemptions have landed in Washington and many more arrive each day.

IMO Trump is very basic, very binary thinking. He doesn't know what complexity is. He heard something from somebody and he base a program for the nation on that.

Just look how complicated it was to repeal Obamacare. They finaly came up with a Trumpacare. Another insurance sheme.
And how is completely out of base with his space programs.

Trump may not be the idiot he seems to be sometimes but he doesn't get it. He has no insight. Only oversights.
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#75
What Trumpacare? Congress still has failed to completely repeal and replace Obamacare. That will probably come after the Republicans make significant gains in the House and Senate in the upcoming November elections. Democrats have been so mindlessly machine-gunning themselves in the foot, they are likely to wind up suffering huge election losses.
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#76
(06-28-2018, 08:01 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: ...he doesn't know what he is doing because he is influenced by very large, yet very specific lobbies and ignores totaly the reality of 99% of the rest of the economy. ...IMO Trump is very basic, very binary thinking. He doesn't know what complexity is. He heard something from somebody and he base a program for the nation on that.

Talk about oversimplification... One thing you can never say about Trump is that he doesn't listen. He has always searched out the best advice he can get. Remember Rockefeller's advice: Always surround yourself with your betters.

The binary thinkers are those who say his initial position is his end position. Can you imagine these whiners trying to buy anything at a bazaar?
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#77
Bill, somehow I think your post needs some editing,....or something.   Aww

I'm not sure if its you, or Fred, doing the talking.
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#78
Bill says things that could NOT be Less accurate about Trump.

Of all humanity he wants yes men as advisors. I doubt that Hitler needed confirmation worse or listened less.

This uneducated jackass is going to create a global depression IF he can unilaterally do so.

https://www.axios.com/trump-threat-withd...7d715.html
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#79
WmL Wrote:One thing you can never say about Trump is that he doesn't listen.
That's what I said: Trump listens and take advices. But he listens to a very narrow panel of individuals.
In his tariff craze, he listened only to some Big Steel bosses, maybe only one peson in all.

Trump is not surrounded by enough different poeple. But in some instances he seems well advised. I do believe that Trump takes his decisions more from advices than from what he decides himself. Or that poeple take decisions for him completely. He is not the one who rules the country. He is just tweeting what he has in mind, in his own style while in the facts the governement is doing something else.

I don't think that anyone would let Trump rule alone.

I don't think he can be compared to Hitler.
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#80
(06-29-2018, 12:44 PM)Palladin Wrote: Bill says things that could NOT be Less accurate about Trump.

This uneducated jackass is going to create a global depression IF he can unilaterally do so.

Doesn't he have a BS in Economics from U of Pennsylvania?  Unlike majors in Business Administration, his degree in not a BA, because economics is math intensive.  You have to be good at equations, and is the reason why upper level Business Statistics is required.

I'm sure he knows well the dangers of a tariff war.  And that is why I think he is using all this as a club over the heads of other countries who are charging higher than necessary tariffs.  If he screws up, I'll be the first to tell you I was wrong.
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