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Trump Derangement Syndrome
#21
Palladin, what you write sounds almost reasonable, but it is wrong.

Stop throwing people together as being guided by isms, and realize that people think and act as they are taught. Economic power drives most action, as it did during the Civil War. Voting rights were driven the same way.

What is important to realize, is that if a group of people are self-contained and don't mix with outsiders, they have no base of ideology. They do what gets then by day by day, and only outside inputs can change them. Education and Religion make them believe what they believe. Nothing secret about it.

If anything, the shrinking of the world through the internet should broaden the public perception.
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#22
I wish it was wrong. You have no clue what's happening in this specific culture. You can ignore fact based studies and the testimony of folks who live here. I don't operate like that. My daughter adopted a drug addicted child of hillbillies and it's a pandemic in Knoxville region.

The hillbilly culture which is largely ethnic scot and scot/irish people who populated this region and which now extends across the nation due to mobility is dying out. It's just like the black American community except they continue to have kids, hillbillies have largely stopped and are circling the wagons.

Traditionally as a group, we do not appreciate education, are somewhat xenophobic( this can go to such extremes I've been scared for my family just 25 miles from my house)we are hard working, hot tempered and hard headed.

Now that despair has visited the minds of the people and we've lost our faith in Christ to an extent, we've lost the hard work and have added delusional thinking and huge levels of drug addiction. It's ravaging the entire culture from here to Iowa and up to Ohio as that book details.
Meth, OxyContin addictions, etc.

It is what it is. I hate seeing it, mainly due to the losing of faith. That's the genesis of 90% of our problems as it is in the black community.
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#23
(07-02-2017, 09:55 AM)Palladin Wrote: ...The hillbilly culture which is largely ethnic scot and scot/irish people who populated this region and which now extends across the nation due to mobility is dying out. It's just like the black American community except they continue to have kids, hillbillies have largely stopped and are circling the wagons.

Palladin You can't tell me anything I don't know about the South. My father was from West Virginia, and my mother from Arkansas. My mother grew up in a county where every mailbox had the same surname. I still have family in Tennessee and am there quite often .

Southerners are generally more polite and friendly than others. When I grew up, I could tell who had my southern background by what they ate and how they spoke. Far more descendants from Eastern Europe fit the definitions you throw out about Hillbillies. You and I both know that grits is not hominy.

There are enclaves of extreme behavior everywhere - but the South has great heritage, faith, and goodness. There are bad eggs in every area, but also good folks.
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#24
My family originates from a county in Ontario where almost every family was a McDonald, so many people had the same name nicknames were used to identify individuals. E.g. Digger McDonald, Alec from the 6th, John the big head, John Alex the cook, Stuttering John, Big John the Dairy, Little John the Cedar, John Stoppin, Johnny the widow at the corner, Johnny John the captain, Johnny two thumbs etc. When two names were used, the second name was the individual's father's name. Alec from the 6th was my grandfather's cousin, he was the last Gaelic speaker of the county.
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#25
William,

I'm not sure the entire south are hillbillies, what I am discussing is closer to what you would term "Appalachian people". We were largely not slave holders for example and were pro union during the civil war.

Originally populating Northern Georgia( my paternal grandfather had a civil war history that ridiculed the southerners for example and he was from Calhoun, GA), west NC, East Tennessee, East Kentucky, WV, western Virginia, south Ohio and even a small part of western PA which reminds me of home( I go there a lot).

This people group has traditionally "not had it made", low appreciation for education, is suffering a loss of faith in Christ and it's in a crisis. That's why we're addicted to pills like crazy, nihilism is setting in. They don't have nice incomes to help divert their attention away from God like the bible warns people not to do. So, they look in the mirror and it ain't much to look at.

Here's some anecdotal evidence for you. Knoxville, TN is the epicenter of drug addicted live births, worst in America. We're not worse than our close neighbors, it just so happens we are the federally funded "baby addict" holding center.

I had a nurse from Atlanta tell me she had never seen anything like Knoxville. All those inner city poor black women did NOT do this, she said she never saw 1 Mexican woman deliver a drug addicted child.

It's so bad here that UT hospital which is the designated ER for them is overfull and my daughter's son was kept at St Mary's hospital in an emergency and several other babies arrived while we waited for him to get weaned off his drugs.

We've always had a rough edge to us, this was moonshine country after all. But, this is different and the genesis is loss of hope and faith among a culture that never did value education and stimulating the intellect.

Not many in my area do NOT have examples in their immediate family of the slouchers( these people did not exist when I was a teenager that I was aware of) and pill poppers described in the book, "Hillbilly Elegy". I do, my wife does, it's reality here.


IF I was not afraid of needles, I would probably have died before I was 18. That alone kept me from becoming an addict myself. I had lost my faith as a 16 year old and had become a nihilist myself. I've been to this rodeo. It's a miracle I survived that 2 year era.

I see it all around me now, just pills instead of heroin. 2017 instead of 1970. $80 bucks for 1 oxy pill in Knoxville, going rate.
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#26
And speaking of Trump Derangement Syndrome...............

IDIOTS REACT TO TRUMP'S WRESTLING TWEET


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#27
Today the RightScoop, which is hardly a Trump site on the Right, posted this short video by Stuart Varney. Varney gives his opinion as to why the Progressive Elites were so catatonic over The Donald's performance at the G20 meeting. I like it too. S22

Stuart Varney explains why the media was APOPLECTIC at Trump during G20 meeting…
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#28
Here's something that will make those with TDS even more deranged ...
A new study that suggests that Clinton may have lost because people in key "flyover territory" states find her more blood thirsty and 'imperial' than Trump.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#29
I did state pretty much the same thing last year before the election, that she would be more prone to take us to war.  She would have a chip on her shoulder, and need to prove to the world that she was the baddest man on the block.   Its good to see that others view here in the same manner.   Spiteful

Incidentally, here's the source article of that, where other sites are also getting all this information.  

Quote:Battlefield Casualties and Ballot Box Defeat: Did the Bush-Obama Wars Cost Clinton the White House?.  

Abstract
America has been at war continuously for over 15 years, but few Americans seem to notice. This is because the vast majority of citizens have no direct connection to those soldiers fighting, dying, and returning wounded from combat. Increasingly, a divide is emerging between communities whose young people are dying to defend the country, and those communities whose young people are not. In this paper we empirically explore whether this divide—the casualty gap—contributed to Donald Trump’s surprise victory in November 2016. The data analysis presented in this working paper finds that indeed, in the 2016 election Trump was speaking to this forgotten part of America. Even controlling in a statistical model for many other alternative explanations, we find that there is a significant and meaningful relationship between a community’s rate of military sacrifice and its support for Trump. Our statistical model suggests that if three states key to Trump’s victory – Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin – had suffered even a modestly lower casualty rate, all three could have flipped from red to blue and sent Hillary Clinton to the White House. There are many implications of our findings, but none as important as what this means for Trump’s foreign policy. If Trump wants to win again in 2020, his electoral fate may well rest on the administration’s approach to the human costs of war. Trump should remain highly sensitive to American combat casualties, lest he become yet another politician who overlooks the invisible inequality of military sacrifice. More broadly, the findings suggest that politicians from both parties would do well to more directly recognize and address the needs of those communities whose young women and men are making the ultimate sacrifice for the country.

Our libertarian friends over at Reason, were overjoyed with this finding.  That's where I got this from.  Its just one more example of why the country doesn't need to be fighting and bleeding over conflicts that have no business dragging on forever, with no positive result.  

But I go a little further here.  Its all of the pictures and videos of horribly mutilated casualties, who are limbless and forever ruined over IEDs, and things that would have otherwise killed soldiers before our advance in battlefield medicine.  We see them on television every day. All of these examples just make me sick, knowing that had we just kicked butt, and then left, we could have accomplished our goals, and not remained targets for unconventional fighting.  And as long as we remain there, the horrible casualties will keep adding up.

Thanks for bringing this up Jack.  The funny thing is that while she was convinced she was bullet-proof, she simply had so many faults that doomed her from the onset.
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#30
Gaddafi wasn't exactly a sympathetic character ... I think I may have done some early cheer-leading for our role in his downfall at the time here [huge blunder on my part given the outcome].  And it wasn't exactly the first time a U.S. administration had tried to take him out.  However, her sheer delight over his demise [somebody that was basically sodomized to death] strikes me as a bit psychotic.   I'm sure she was stoking her role in it and going for "strong leader" with the act, but she came off as bats.  You weren't the only one that had her pegged, John.  Do a search on "clinton warmonger" and consider what a common theme it was at the time.  When you're the Dem candidate and the NYT calls you that, what are the odds that it's going to erode your 'base' a bit?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#31
Jack, this is exactly why I held my nose, and my breath, and voted for The Donald.  The Beast is just that, a Beast. And she is willing to expend lives to accomplish her own visions of grandeur.  I've never had any qualm about giving her credit for all those unanswered and mysterious deaths in Arkansas.  There's just a sense of sheer evil oozing from her, every time she opens her mouth.   I don't regret, for a moment, choosing Trump over her.  S18
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#32
Don't look at her as a politician with delusions of grandeur. Rather look at her as the protege of Saul Alinsky who was the protege of the Chicago mafia.
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#33
She's an SOP neo con. Most US pols are. Trump ran as the opposite and has been looking more and more like a neo con in conduct with the exception of trying to establish a decent role vis a vis Russia other than " if we need to have a war, let's do it".

His campaign's associations with Russia are going to destroy any move to move forward on anything but seeing Russia as the USSR.
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#34
(07-12-2017, 02:41 PM)Palladin Wrote: She's an SOP neo con. Most US pols are. Trump ran as the opposite and has been looking more and more like a neo con in conduct with the exception of trying to establish a decent role vis a vis Russia other than " if we need to have a war, let's do it".

His campaign's associations with Russia are going to destroy any move to move forward on anything but seeing Russia as the USSR.

Neo con my butt. Hillary is a certified Progressive, as in Fascist. Neo Con: where do you come up with all this......stuff? Oh that's right over at Salon.com, The Daily Beast, Huffington Post, NYTimes, or some other sources you currently frequent.

Neo Con S13
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#35
Neo con:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

"Neoconservatives peaked in influence during the administration of George W. Bush, when they played a major role in the invasion of Iraq. Neoconservatives typically advocate the promotion of democracy and American national interest in international affairs, including by means of military force and are known for espousing disdain for communism and for political radicalism.[3][4] "


Scroll down to the evolutionary changes of the neo con view into the 1990s and beyond. It has morphed into people who urge US military power to "shape events" like you support since the decline of the USSR, so you're one as well based on your own comments to me here. "Better us than someone else, right"?

It has co-opted more than the original leftist American Jews who converted to rightist global dominance with Commentary being the intellectual orientation. It's the main stream now and this is one area Trump deserves credit, he doesn't believe in it. But, he is being co-opted by the Max Boots of the nation to continuing US foreign policy affairs like they've been conducted since 1990.

Hillary and Bill Clinton/ Barack Obama are as much a part of the mainstream in foreign affairs as GW Bush is. They all believe in murdering people who are no threat to us or our way of life to "shape events" to our liking. The fact they have all shown to be incompetent at the shaping is meaningless, the intent is meaningful.

It's as immoral as shooting your neighbor in his head to "shape events" in your neighborhood.

These publications you listed above are all supporters of the mainstream American interventionist foreign policy, as you are. You're going to regret being like this eventually and so are all of them, it's just a question of when.

I already regretted my past support for this murderous trash.

Debates below between a typical old fashioned Goldwater conservative and a neo con like most Americans have become, both look bad here, I side with Tucker though. Neo cons can have wars with Russia and China while they have deals with Sunni jihadi groups to "shape events to our liking" if they want to, leave the rest of us "not neo cons" out of it if possible:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/...q_war.html

http://thehayride.com/2017/07/video-tuck...-disaster/
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#36
(07-13-2017, 12:22 PM)Palladin Wrote: Hillary and Bill Clinton/ Barack Obama are as much a part of the mainstream in foreign affairs as GW Bush is. They all believe in murdering people who are no threat to us or our way of life to "shape events" to our liking. The fact they have all shown to be incompetent at the shaping is meaningless, the intent is meaningful.

It's as immoral as shooting your neighbor in his head to "shape events" in your neighborhood.

There's more to being a 'so called' NeoCon than just foreign policy, in case you forgot.  Domestic policy is every bit as important.  Clinton is NOT a Neo-Con.  She's a PROGRESSIVE, which is the same thing as FASCIST.

(07-13-2017, 12:22 PM)Palladin Wrote: These publications you listed above are all supporters of the mainstream American interventionist foreign policy, as you are. You're going to regret being like this eventually and so are all of them, it's just a question of when.

I already regretted my past support for this murderous trash.

Those publications are All Left wing Progressive outlets.  They have little to do with 'so called' Conservative issues.

And I am Not an Interventionist Einstein. I just don't have a set of blinders mounted on my head, and apply some common sense, which you are not.
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#37
John,

When I use neo con, I mean foreign affairs hyper interventionist, I don't care about the domestic issues.

If you are not an interventionist, then, why have you posed to me the idea that it is better for us to do it than a competitor to be the global Roman Empire in the recent past?

You move the goalposts all the time. Do you want the US to have hegemony overseas and killing is acceptable for it even when our constitution, borders and lives are not threatened? yes or no, make up your mind, you are not getting younger. I say NO, that's murder.

Those "progressive" publications are all in the mainstream of America's post WWII foreign affairs. Just like almost all US based media, lapdogs to the state when we are dealing with foreign affairs.

Obama slowed down trying to overthrow Assad when it became clear he was inadvertently arming ISIS, if Bush or McCain had been in office, they'd have overthrown Assad and be damned with ISIS until later and if ISIS had any flexibility at all, we'd have them in Damascus right now if McCain were POTUS.

That's the sole foreign policy difference between the USA left and right, using your brain a tad.

Both Obama/Clinton and McCain/Bush feel like it is our birthright to kill people over seas to maintain global hegemony and I sure haven't read you opposing anything we've done since attacking Serbia.
You want to ally with Saudi Arabia and Qatar and hate on Iran and Iran is light years a better society and culture.

Your patriotism causes you to think like this, which is effectively retarded. Iran is a way better people group. But, since they won't do what you want and the jihadi states will, you prefer these Sunni jihadist states over them. How about thinking on that for a minute and grow up some yourself.

Then look at Trump's lawyer. This is the type of man he employs, which is no surprise.
https://www.propublica.org/article/marc-...ils-maddow
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#38
(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

When I use neo con, I mean foreign affairs hyper interventionist, I don't care about the domestic issues.

I know you are.  And by your very own admission, you are not using it properly because you are only thinking about foreign issues.  As a true Liberal in the classic sense, one of the four basic tenants of Liberalism is the belief in "Free Trade".   If I did not believe in Free Trade I would NOT be a true Liberal, and using that label would be incorrect.  You are using the term "Neo-Con" incorrectly because you only refer to 50% of what you choose to exclude.  

(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: If you are not an interventionist, then, why have you posed to me the idea that it is better for us to do it than a competitor to be the global Roman Empire in the recent past?

Tell me Patrick, have you ever punished, or spanked, any of your children for disobeying your rules?  Especially for anything that was dangerous and could have resulted in serious injury or even death due to a lack of common sense?  And if you did, does that make you an unfit parent and a physically abusive one?  Are you telling me that the old saying of "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" is no excuse for sparing the rod and spoiling the child?  

History is replete with examples of countries failing to make hard choices, and then having to pay a much heavier toll later on down the highway.  And you call me an "Interventionist" because I believe in Common Sense action as a last resort in order to prevent a heavier toll later on.  Your definition is not relevant and only suits your intellectually myopic manner of thinking.  

(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: You move the goalposts all the time. Do you want the US to have hegemony overseas and killing is acceptable for it even when our constitution, borders and lives are not threatened? yes or no, make up your mind, you are not getting younger. I say NO, that's murder.

Its being flexible, rather than being a rigid unwavering ideologue as you are.  The next time you do something that goes against your ideology, I hope you have the good sense to forgive yourself of your sin.

(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: Those "progressive" publications are all in the mainstream of America's post WWII foreign affairs.  Just like almost all US based media,  lapdogs to the state when we are dealing with foreign affairs.

AGAIN, you are conveniently overlooking everyday domestic issues.  If you are not able to look at things holistically, or "en toto" then you are being intellectually myopic.  It is too much effort for you to rub a few more brain cells together, or do you care about whether or not you live in a great Progressive Collective?  

(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: Obama slowed down trying to overthrow Assad when it became clear he was inadvertently arming ISIS, if Bush or McCain had been in office, they'd have overthrown Assad and be damned with ISIS until later and if ISIS had any flexibility at all, we'd have them in Damascus right now if McCain were POTUS.

That's the sole foreign policy difference between the USA left and right, using your brain a tad.

I have always stated that we had no business meddling in Syria, or hanging around in Iraq, or Afghanistan, and trying to "Nation Build" over there.  HaD you bothered reading my posts you would already know this.  But you don't really take the  time to do this, because your "self-admitted" Attention Deficit Disorder doesn't allow it.  

And speaking of "using your brain a tad", you left out the REAL Right here: the Libertarian/C.Liberal crowd which is the true Right Wing.  We are all against interventionism.  But mostly we are believers of common sense over dogmatism.  

(07-13-2017, 04:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: Both Obama/Clinton and McCain/Bush feel like it is our birthright to kill people over seas to maintain global hegemony and I sure haven't read you opposing anything we've done since attacking Serbia.
You want to ally with Saudi Arabia and Qatar and hate on Iran and Iran is light years a better society and culture.

I'm running out of patience here.  All you are doing is showing myself, and everyone else, just how inflexible and dogmatic you have become.    Gah
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#40
John, if you're against these interventions, why do you get on me for being against these interventions? I can't think of 1 intervention that made much logic except for the Afghan thing.

Screw war and peace, we have Jeff Sessions and his war on not just marijuana, but, on the people's rights to decide what we want.

If I were a governor in a legal state, I'd inform the local federal officials that if any official touches a citizen of my state relating to pot, he will be arrested for kidnapping by state officials. This red neck needs to go back to the puke state he came from and persecute them and leave the rest of us alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/us/po...deral.html
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