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Towering Inferno High Rise Residential Building London
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These residential buildings are made out of concrete, the fire should have been limited to the immediate area or adjacent apartments. What are the odds it was terrorism?

LONDON INFERNO: Firefighters race against time as fire STILL rages - six dead, 74 injured
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Inside walls, floors, and ceilings are probably made of flammable materials. One suggestion was that the fire might have started with an "exploding refrigerator." Perhaps they are using flammable refrigerants in the fridges. If a refrigerator could start such a fire, then those high-rise towers are extremely vulnerable--almost anything could start a fire!

ISIS could claim responsibility, and who could dispute it?
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Isn't that something else?   Shock

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From what I can tell, almost all of the residents are from 3rd world countries, like Pakistan, Africa, and Near East.  Not sure if it would really be a fridge catching fire.  I'm trying to figure out how that is possible.  

More likely it was some ethnic/tribal rite where someone managed to tap into the natural gas line, and the rest is history.  Spiteful
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(06-13-2017, 11:12 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: These residential buildings are made out of concrete, the fire should have been limited to the immediate area or adjacent apartments. What are the odds it was terrorism?

LONDON INFERNO: Firefighters race against time as fire STILL rages - six dead, 74 injured

I'm guessing that it isn't.  Almost certainly some yahoo, used to living in a hut and practicing rituals, who caused this.  In 1957, when we traveled to the lower 48 on leave, we visited one of Dad's air force buddies, retired and living in Homestead, Fla.  I remember him telling about WWII stories dealing with the sudden training of new recruits, there at all those luxury hotels on the beach front.  He said we wouldn't believe some of the things the new recruits, from places like East Tennessee, Arkansas, and other back woods locations, did that were simply beyond imagination.  

Some recruits actually set up and built fires for cooking too.  I cannot remember most of the wacko things, but I was really amazed at it all.  And all of it in those luxury high rise hotels too.  

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity." - Robert A. Heinlein


PS: Oh one other thing.  Michael is watching Fox Business in the living room, and since he turned it on, there hasn't been one single report on this fire.  Its all about that congressman being shot at some golf event.  Simply amazing.  Shock
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#5
It appears the exterior cladding caught on fire.
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(06-14-2017, 01:11 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: It appears the exterior cladding caught on fire.

External cladding? I wonder how that occurred? I've never heard of something like that before.
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The building had recently undergone a 30 million pound refit; unfortunately, most of the improvements were cosmetic.
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Quote:Criminals! Rapists! Murderers! Come to the West! Here you can do what you want!

Firstly, we woke up to hear that a 24-storey high rise block of flats in West London had burnt down. The authorities don’t yet know the cause of the fire. But the clue for me was when a neighbour being interviewed said enthusiastically “it’s a very diverse building”.


But what did she mean? That every 2- and 3-bedroom flat had 10 to 15 occupants of Third-World heritage and most of the males with names beginning with M”? That the place was packed full of inbred, low-IQ, benefits-dependent invaders?

Looks like you were right John.
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(06-14-2017, 01:27 PM)John L Wrote:
(06-14-2017, 01:11 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: It appears the exterior cladding caught on fire.

External cladding?  I wonder how that occurred?  I've never heard of something like that before.


I assumed it was cladding when looking at the photos. it appears I'm right, the building was renovated with a type of cladding linked to a series of blazes around the globe.

'DEADLY CLADDING'? Grenfell Tower was ‘fitted with cladding linked to horror blazes at high-rise blocks around the world’ – as boss who oversaw £8.6m revamp admits he ‘doesn’t even know what it’s clad in
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(06-14-2017, 03:25 PM)WarBicycle Wrote:
(06-14-2017, 01:27 PM)John L Wrote:
(06-14-2017, 01:11 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: It appears the exterior cladding caught on fire.

External cladding?  I wonder how that occurred?  I've never heard of something like that before.


I assumed it was cladding when looking at the photos. it appears I'm right, the building was renovated with a type of cladding linked to a series of blazes around the globe.

'DEADLY CLADDING'? Grenfell Tower was ‘fitted with cladding linked to horror blazes at high-rise blocks around the world’ – as boss who oversaw £8.6m revamp admits he ‘doesn’t even know what it’s clad in

I love the very last sentence of your article, and concur wholeheartedly.   S22

"Police said the death toll of 12 is likely to increase dramatically."

I'd say it is more than likely to surpass at least 100 crispers,.........if they can identify them.  S13
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#11
Laughing about folks getting burned to death. Wow. Just wow.
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#12
When I worked at the Criminal Justice Institute, one of our research projects was arson investigation. Prior to us, there wasn't any. They just looked for charred remains and looked for an "arrow" pointing from a plug or outlet. There is much than can be done to find what happened, but don't hold your breath that they'll get it right.

We interviewed most of the respected arson investigators across the country, looking for experts - but found that most were just fireman promoted out of rubber jackets to suit coats. We found only one guy who actually knew what he was doing and got results. 99% of suspected arsonists got off because the average arson investigators were clueless, yet put forward as foremost in their field. Our discovered pro, almost always nailed the perps.

Fires in towers are similar. Old-fashioned investigation will probably come back unsolved. I don't know if any of our Arson Investigation training programs ever made it across the pond. I hope so.
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(06-15-2017, 10:43 AM)Palladin Wrote: Laughing about folks getting burned to death. Wow. Just wow.

What are you talking about?
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YOU.
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(06-15-2017, 03:10 PM)Palladin Wrote: YOU.

Then you are either an Ass or a Fool, because I was not making fun of the dead victims. I was making fun of the manner in which the reporters were downplaying such a horrible event. To claim that there were twelve confirmed dead, and likely to go considerably higher, is a gross understatement. In other words, "No Shit Sherlock!" Of course there are going to be considerably more dead.

I was poking fun at the reporter, not the dead. Now get off your high horse and stop being so self-sanctimonious and smug about your supposed superiority. You're really beginning to Piss Me Off, with your "I'm better than you are, because............." attitude.
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#16
...green energy concerns were prioritized ahead of safety...

The fire was apparently started by an exploding fridge, green environmental crap will prove to be worse than asbestos.
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#17
Most green stuff is benign. I haven't heard that concrete burns. There definitely was a chimney effect that spread fire rapidly behind the exterior cladding. What was burning is still up for grabs.
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#18
I don't think it was some tribal ritual which started the fire but taping gas or electric lines illegaly is a possibility. And maybe also all fire prevention systems stolen or destroyed.

It was a social housing building (hence filled by migrants). It also means that it was build and commissioned by the governement with the inevitable loss in reliability linked to corruption.

Another thing is the Climate Change policy which forces new building to such incredibly high heat insulation quotas that the only material meeting the requirement is the highly inflamable polyurethan.

My sister built a house a few years ago and she had to put this shit on her walls. I hope she never get a fire.
We were realy pissed at this obligation. It was almost twice more expensive than another material, much safer, with only 20% less effeciency.
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I love the very last sentence of your article, and concur wholeheartedly.

"Police said the death toll of 12 is likely to increase dramatically."

I'd say it is more than likely to surpass at least 100 crispers,.........if they can identify them.



Yea John, you were talking about reporters and "crispers" with attached chuckling emojis which is a perfectly normal and respectful way to discuss someone dying in a tragedy. Sorry I'm such a sanctimonious dumbfuck I didn't recognize that.

Tell you what, next time you lament the holocaust, be sure and berate yourself for your "sanctimonious you are better than the einsatzgruppen attitude" or you'll piss yourself off.
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