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Turkish Foreign Minister Barred from the Netherlands
#21
Yes. We are fully in the era of populism. Erdogan is able to turn the opinion of the turks by 180 degrees, and make them vote against the EU. A Turxit even without being a member.
His first argument is that the EU are anti-muslim.

Recently Erdogan's minister said that there will be no safe place for WHITE europeans in Europe if we don't pay more respect to Turkey. Funny that he used the word "white", as if turks were not as white as europeans.
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(03-31-2017, 05:25 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Yes. We are fully in the era of populism. Erdogan is able to turn the opinion of the turks by 180 degrees, and make them vote against the EU. A Turxit even without being a member.
His first argument is that the EU are anti-muslim.

Recently Erdogan's minister said that there will be no safe place for WHITE europeans in Europe if we don't pay more respect to Turkey. Funny that he used the word "white", as if turks were not as white as europeans.

People say a lot of things Fred.  Especially Erdogan and his cronies.  This is for show, in order to get the citizen's juices flowing.

But this is important.  All this 'so called' Populism being passed around is only partially true.  Its Cultural Tribalism, and this is only natural.  People want to keep those things that make them unique and different from others.  Its just that simple.  The world is going back to Localism, where there is far more representative government.

Would you rather be part of a smaller group that was more attune to your needs and wants, or part of some huge machine that is not directly interested in what you think is important?  This is why the EU, as it is now set up, will fail.  They went one Bridge too far, as the late Cornelius Ryan stated in his masterpiece WWII recount of Operation Market Garden.  

I'll say this one more time...............When the bureaucrats did away with the Treaty of Rome(European Common Market) they went one bridge too far.  And sooner or later, everyone is going to pay for their folly.  Individual national sovereignty is the growing force, and those who stand in the way will eventually get run over.  

And the bureaucrats in DC had better be paying close attention to this, because eventually our Founder's intent is going to show them just how stupid they have been by gobbling up all this centeralized power.   The secession movement is growing in the US, and it will only get louder over time, because the citizens in the states are not happy having their independence eroded away.
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#23
I agree with John on this.
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#24
(03-31-2017, 11:07 AM)Palladin Wrote: ...this is how men like Hitler and Stalin kept themselves popular. They had a great intuitiveness about when to ride a social wave and when not to.

More importantly - they controlled the media. To this day, people all over the world say that "at least under Mussolini the trains ran on time!" ...Except they didn't.
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#25
I think the USA has subservient media as it relates to foreign affairs as much as the USSR or Nazis did. Not be force, our media is just part of our governing order with minor exceptions. Not sure if that's a loyalty thing or fear of the state if you don't do what is expected.

I still recall a night a few years ago where every news source was reporting we were about to invade Syria. They were reporting on how "disgusting" Assad was, ignoring the Sunni jihad. All of them.

I remember that night thinking, "they've all been told we start bombing tomorrow and are preparing us for the "next Hitler" so we'll think we're good doing that.

Our media argues around the edges, the truth is it doesn't much matter who leads the state, it keeps enhancing it's power. Has been this way since FDR.
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#26
If you are vetting the media, realize that Journalism died. Some mark it as 2007. I'm not sure it is fully room temperature yet, but it started its decline in the 60's. Most reporters during FDR's era were unwittingly fooled - they just couldn't believe political leaders blatantly lied. You can't say all media were willing to endorse an agenda against Syria, when half of them didn't know who or where Syria was.

It used to be how effective they were - now its about how affective they are.
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#27
I think you could make a case American media likely has always been part of the formal governing order at some point, probably late 19th century. At least in foreign affairs.

I doubt any media, anywhere by late 19th century disagreed with any war effort and played along with "the "disgusting" foreigner meme".

They just pass us whatever their given as gospel when it comes to foreign affairs.
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#28
Erdogan Wrote:"I call on my brothers and sisters voting in Europe...give the appropriate answer to those imposing this fascist oppression and the grandchildren of Nazism."
How Erdogan crosses the Gldwin Point several times in a same sentence.

It's wierd because Turks are not as sensible to the nazi history as we do. IMO for many turks, calling someone nazi is neither good or bad because it's the story of another nation. Turks were barely done exterminating armenians when Hitler started with the jews.
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(04-03-2017, 03:51 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
Erdogan Wrote:"I call on my brothers and sisters voting in Europe...give the appropriate answer to those imposing this fascist oppression and the grandchildren of Nazism."
How Erdogan crosses the Gldwin Point several times in a same sentence.

It's wierd because Turks are not as sensible to the nazi history as we do. IMO for many turks, calling someone nazi is neither good or bad because it's the story of another nation. Turks were barely done exterminating armenians when Hitler started with the jews.

Were you referring to "Godwin's Law" Fred? S5
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