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Flynn's Ouster, Trump & Fighting The System
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Quote:Adm. Michael Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, said Monday that the intelligence leaks of Michael Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. "hurt" American national security.

Quote:"The one crime we know that's been committed is that one: the leaking of someone's name ...,"

Comey managed to avoid giving this person up today.  But I seriously doubt any one is going to drop the matter.  I also doubt that it can be walked back when the unmasker is unmasked.  And it seems doubtful that they're going to avoid doing serious time for it.  And the sooner the better. Trumps Twitter accusation may have some baggage associated with it, but it managed to drag the Flynn story into the forefront of the Congressional Investigation ... and for that much it's pure gold.
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#22
The Democrat aim is to keep as many unproven juggling balls in the air as possible to embolden an impeachment attempt. Nothing matters whether any particular accusation is warranted, it is a tenet of the Democrat strategy councils to claim the "seriousness of the accusation" is enough to merit attention.
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#23
What we have is bad stuff all around, not just the democrats. Trump is unfit to lead a small city due to his character and mental instability and the US government has been a criminal enterprise for quite some time.

There is nothing and no one to hang your hat on in American political life. It's all rotten to the core and smells real bad:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/p...spartandhp
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#24
Except that Trump was correct in saying Obama was surveilling his transition team and the entire media was wrong about calling him a blow hard and saying untrue stuff. Seems he was right after all.
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#25
Powerline bog does a good job exposing what probably happened wrt Trump being surveilled by Obama.

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#26
It's right wing speculation, they said so.

Trump made the claim that Obama had him and his campaign wiretapped, which is illegal. A POTUS cannot request this, so unless Trmup can prove Obama is a criminal( which I believe him to be based on attacking Libya and Syria)he should apologize and spend his time doing his job.

My guess is he said that due to Flynn being surveilled in his dealings with Turks and Russians. That was lawful and done with a warrant not "Obama had Flynn wiretapped".
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(03-23-2017, 09:50 AM)Palladin Wrote: It's right wing speculation, they said so.

 Trump made the claim that Obama had him and his campaign wiretapped, which is illegal. A POTUS cannot request this, so unless Trmup can prove Obama is a criminal( which I believe him to be based on attacking Libya and Syria)he should apologize and spend his time doing his job.

Ahh, apparently you didn't realize that the third time could have been the charm.  The first two requests were specific about surveilling US citizens, and they were turned down.  But the third time they made the request, generic and never mentioned going after citizens.  

Learn to be skeptical of both sides grasshopper, or you are victim of the very thing you love to criticize.  Spiteful
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#28
The felony occurred when the accessed American Citizen was unmasked and thrown under the bus to the complicit media. We all know everything is collected, but only certain things are legally accessed and transcribed. There are 17 Intel Agencies with fingers in the pie - and all have the upper echelon of bosses and leaders who were put there by Obama. Those appointed to guard the guards are also compromised. The info is considered a legacy from J. Edgar Hoover. Save everything and use as blackmail when needed.
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#29
Learn to be a stickler for details, Master Po.

Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that's flatly illegal and there is no evidence it occurred.

The lawful "with warrants" wiretapping in Trump Towers from 2013-2015 involved Russian criminals and the stuff relating to Flynn and Paul Manafort is perfectly legal, went through FISA( which is bs, but, we don't seem to complain when it's not someone we like) and in fact may turn up criminal conduct on Manafort's part.

Trump has had some shady characters surrounding his campaign, Flynn and Manafort are weird people. Flynn openly called for the forced extradition of Gulen for example. His inner Hitler was coming out apparently. Manafort since 2005 has been on the payroll of the Russki government.
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#30
(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: Learn to be a stickler for details, Master Po.

Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that's flatly illegal and there is no evidence it occurred.

NSA collects ALL wireless communication and archives it. That's the main reason why the Patriot Act is anything BUT patriotic. It needs to be rescinded.

(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: The lawful "with warrants" wiretapping in Trump Towers from 2013-2015 involved Russian criminals and the stuff relating to Flynn and Paul Manafort is perfectly legal, went through FISA( which is bs, but, we don't seem to complain when it's not someone we like) and in fact may turn up criminal conduct on Manafort's part.

Do you have a credible link to that specific, not general, but specific information?

(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: Trump has had some shady characters surrounding his campaign, Flynn and Manafort are weird people. Flynn openly called for the forced extradition of Gulen for example. His inner Hitler was coming out apparently. Manafort since 2005 has been on the payroll of the Russki government.

Remember, "shady" and "weird" are not the same thing. MacDaddy had a bunch of "shady" characters, and many are still hanging around.

And as for the Russkis, I thought you and them were on good terms, from way back. Don't hold your breath but all this Russky stuff is most likely a bunch of smoke and mirrors being fed by Jackasses.

Oh, and speaking of Russians and Jackasses,...................

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#31
Of all the pundits making hay over all this confusion in DC, Roger L. Simon remains a consistent level headed reporter. And he keeps making common sense suggestions.

Time to Investigate Obama, not Just Trump

Quote:Whether Barack Obama ordered the surveillance of Donald Trump during the transition is not the question. He would never have had to. In fact, he would have been highly unlikely to have done so for obvious legal and practical/political reasons. Instead, supporters of the then president in a position to authorize or activate such surveillance would normally know or assume his wishes anyway without having to be told and could act accordingly.

That is the way of the world since there was a world.

The operative question is whether these recorded conversations then ever wound up on Obama's desk or whether he knew about them in some other manner... and, if so, when. If the worst is true, it is a scandal that makes Watergate seem like a child's prank. Even Watergate's own Bob Woodward seemed to acknowledge as much on The O'Reilly Factor on Wednesday night.

This is why any legitimate investigation by a congressional committee or anyone else must encompass both Obama and Trump. This is a two-part story. If both parties are not investigated -- they cannot be separated -- this is no more than a partisan show. Further, the press cannot even faintly be trusted to investigate or adjudicate this matter. Their bias is so overwhelming it would sink the Titanic twice.
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Nevertheless, something must be done about this privacy problem from top to bottom if we are to have decent lives as citizens and have a democratic republic in any way similar to what the Founders conceived. How this can be accomplished in the present atmosphere is, to say the least, unclear. The hatred of Trump by the media and the Democrats is so profound that rational discussion seems close to impossible. But we are headed toward being a society devoid of trust, if we don't try. I made my little attempt at comity. Originally this article was titled "Time to Investigate Obama, not Trump." I add the "Just" -- for fairness.
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#32
I agree - but only part way. There is no way an investigation can locate someone who uses cut-outs, That is what cut-outs are. I keep using the Mission Impossible tactic of detailed orders and instructions, followed by a disclaimer saying, we will disavow all knowledge. After the tape self-destructs, there is no evidence - so what exactly can we expect an investigation to uncover?

The Democrats have used the "wink and nod" since forever. They can say anything for the media and consumption of the public, knowing full well that their loyal minions will understand what they "meant" to say and totally ignore the legalities that were used to bypass the criminal intent. The heads of the Democrat party during the campaigns were gaming the system, lying and cheating. Nothing would have been "investigated" if some whistle-blower hadn't leaked internal discussions. It's the way they do business. Remember WikkiLeaks said they did not get the info from Russia - but from an inside leaker from the Democrats - probably a disgruntled Bernie Sanders supporter.
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#33
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tower-fbi-...ing-572619
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#34
Just for the record, this can finally be put to rest and perhaps the general can be publicly rehabilitated.

FBI clears Michael Flynn in probe linking him to Russia

Quote:The FBI has reviewed intercepted phone calls between national security adviser Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the US and has found no evidence of wrongdoing, it was revealed Monday.

The calls were made in late December and picked up as part of routine electronic surveillance of Russian officials. They did not reveal any illicit ties between Flynn and Russia, according to the Washington Post.

The review of the calls was part of a wider probe into Russia’s interference in the presidential election and hacking of the Democratic National Committee.
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