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Flynn's Ouster, Trump & Fighting The System
#21
Quote:Adm. Michael Rogers, director of the National Security Agency, said Monday that the intelligence leaks of Michael Flynn's discussions with the Russian ambassador to the U.S. "hurt" American national security.

Quote:"The one crime we know that's been committed is that one: the leaking of someone's name ...,"

Comey managed to avoid giving this person up today.  But I seriously doubt any one is going to drop the matter.  I also doubt that it can be walked back when the unmasker is unmasked.  And it seems doubtful that they're going to avoid doing serious time for it.  And the sooner the better. Trumps Twitter accusation may have some baggage associated with it, but it managed to drag the Flynn story into the forefront of the Congressional Investigation ... and for that much it's pure gold.
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#22
The Democrat aim is to keep as many unproven juggling balls in the air as possible to embolden an impeachment attempt. Nothing matters whether any particular accusation is warranted, it is a tenet of the Democrat strategy councils to claim the "seriousness of the accusation" is enough to merit attention.
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#23
What we have is bad stuff all around, not just the democrats. Trump is unfit to lead a small city due to his character and mental instability and the US government has been a criminal enterprise for quite some time.

There is nothing and no one to hang your hat on in American political life. It's all rotten to the core and smells real bad:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/ar-BBysSRp?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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#24
Except that Trump was correct in saying Obama was surveilling his transition team and the entire media was wrong about calling him a blow hard and saying untrue stuff. Seems he was right after all.
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#25
Powerline bog does a good job exposing what probably happened wrt Trump being surveilled by Obama.

Powerline Blog
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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#26
It's right wing speculation, they said so.

Trump made the claim that Obama had him and his campaign wiretapped, which is illegal. A POTUS cannot request this, so unless Trmup can prove Obama is a criminal( which I believe him to be based on attacking Libya and Syria)he should apologize and spend his time doing his job.

My guess is he said that due to Flynn being surveilled in his dealings with Turks and Russians. That was lawful and done with a warrant not "Obama had Flynn wiretapped".
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(03-23-2017, 09:50 AM)Palladin Wrote: It's right wing speculation, they said so.

 Trump made the claim that Obama had him and his campaign wiretapped, which is illegal. A POTUS cannot request this, so unless Trmup can prove Obama is a criminal( which I believe him to be based on attacking Libya and Syria)he should apologize and spend his time doing his job.

Ahh, apparently you didn't realize that the third time could have been the charm.  The first two requests were specific about surveilling US citizens, and they were turned down.  But the third time they made the request, generic and never mentioned going after citizens.  

Learn to be skeptical of both sides grasshopper, or you are victim of the very thing you love to criticize.  Spiteful
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#28
The felony occurred when the accessed American Citizen was unmasked and thrown under the bus to the complicit media. We all know everything is collected, but only certain things are legally accessed and transcribed. There are 17 Intel Agencies with fingers in the pie - and all have the upper echelon of bosses and leaders who were put there by Obama. Those appointed to guard the guards are also compromised. The info is considered a legacy from J. Edgar Hoover. Save everything and use as blackmail when needed.
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#29
Learn to be a stickler for details, Master Po.

Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that's flatly illegal and there is no evidence it occurred.

The lawful "with warrants" wiretapping in Trump Towers from 2013-2015 involved Russian criminals and the stuff relating to Flynn and Paul Manafort is perfectly legal, went through FISA( which is bs, but, we don't seem to complain when it's not someone we like) and in fact may turn up criminal conduct on Manafort's part.

Trump has had some shady characters surrounding his campaign, Flynn and Manafort are weird people. Flynn openly called for the forced extradition of Gulen for example. His inner Hitler was coming out apparently. Manafort since 2005 has been on the payroll of the Russki government.
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#30
(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: Learn to be a stickler for details, Master Po.

Trump claimed Obama wiretapped him, that's flatly illegal and there is no evidence it occurred.

NSA collects ALL wireless communication and archives it. That's the main reason why the Patriot Act is anything BUT patriotic. It needs to be rescinded.

(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: The lawful "with warrants" wiretapping in Trump Towers from 2013-2015 involved Russian criminals and the stuff relating to Flynn and Paul Manafort is perfectly legal, went through FISA( which is bs, but, we don't seem to complain when it's not someone we like) and in fact may turn up criminal conduct on Manafort's part.

Do you have a credible link to that specific, not general, but specific information?

(03-23-2017, 05:31 PM)Palladin Wrote: Trump has had some shady characters surrounding his campaign, Flynn and Manafort are weird people. Flynn openly called for the forced extradition of Gulen for example. His inner Hitler was coming out apparently. Manafort since 2005 has been on the payroll of the Russki government.

Remember, "shady" and "weird" are not the same thing. MacDaddy had a bunch of "shady" characters, and many are still hanging around.

And as for the Russkis, I thought you and them were on good terms, from way back. Don't hold your breath but all this Russky stuff is most likely a bunch of smoke and mirrors being fed by Jackasses.

Oh, and speaking of Russians and Jackasses,...................

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#31
Of all the pundits making hay over all this confusion in DC, Roger L. Simon remains a consistent level headed reporter. And he keeps making common sense suggestions.

Time to Investigate Obama, not Just Trump

Quote:Whether Barack Obama ordered the surveillance of Donald Trump during the transition is not the question. He would never have had to. In fact, he would have been highly unlikely to have done so for obvious legal and practical/political reasons. Instead, supporters of the then president in a position to authorize or activate such surveillance would normally know or assume his wishes anyway without having to be told and could act accordingly.

That is the way of the world since there was a world.

The operative question is whether these recorded conversations then ever wound up on Obama's desk or whether he knew about them in some other manner... and, if so, when. If the worst is true, it is a scandal that makes Watergate seem like a child's prank. Even Watergate's own Bob Woodward seemed to acknowledge as much on The O'Reilly Factor on Wednesday night.

This is why any legitimate investigation by a congressional committee or anyone else must encompass both Obama and Trump. This is a two-part story. If both parties are not investigated -- they cannot be separated -- this is no more than a partisan show. Further, the press cannot even faintly be trusted to investigate or adjudicate this matter. Their bias is so overwhelming it would sink the Titanic twice.
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Nevertheless, something must be done about this privacy problem from top to bottom if we are to have decent lives as citizens and have a democratic republic in any way similar to what the Founders conceived. How this can be accomplished in the present atmosphere is, to say the least, unclear. The hatred of Trump by the media and the Democrats is so profound that rational discussion seems close to impossible. But we are headed toward being a society devoid of trust, if we don't try. I made my little attempt at comity. Originally this article was titled "Time to Investigate Obama, not Trump." I add the "Just" -- for fairness.
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#32
I agree - but only part way. There is no way an investigation can locate someone who uses cut-outs, That is what cut-outs are. I keep using the Mission Impossible tactic of detailed orders and instructions, followed by a disclaimer saying, we will disavow all knowledge. After the tape self-destructs, there is no evidence - so what exactly can we expect an investigation to uncover?

The Democrats have used the "wink and nod" since forever. They can say anything for the media and consumption of the public, knowing full well that their loyal minions will understand what they "meant" to say and totally ignore the legalities that were used to bypass the criminal intent. The heads of the Democrat party during the campaigns were gaming the system, lying and cheating. Nothing would have been "investigated" if some whistle-blower hadn't leaked internal discussions. It's the way they do business. Remember WikkiLeaks said they did not get the info from Russia - but from an inside leaker from the Democrats - probably a disgruntled Bernie Sanders supporter.
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#33
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tower-fbi-...ing-572619
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#34
Just for the record, this can finally be put to rest and perhaps the general can be publicly rehabilitated.

FBI clears Michael Flynn in probe linking him to Russia

Quote:The FBI has reviewed intercepted phone calls between national security adviser Michael Flynn and the Russian ambassador to the US and has found no evidence of wrongdoing, it was revealed Monday.

The calls were made in late December and picked up as part of routine electronic surveillance of Russian officials. They did not reveal any illicit ties between Flynn and Russia, according to the Washington Post.

The review of the calls was part of a wider probe into Russia’s interference in the presidential election and hacking of the Democratic National Committee.
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#35
Has anyone read this bombshell yet? Its by Sara Carter and John Solomon, and I generally pay close attention when she makes a report. It looks like the dots are finally getting connected in this complicated mess that is Washington DC.

Did the FBI retaliate against Michael Flynn by launching Russia probe?

If it is discovered that Flynn really did the honorable thing in defending his friend, and was targeted as retaliation for it, this could get more than just a bit unruly. But it would definitely rehabilitate his tarnished reputation, and then some. And acting Director Andrew McCabe can forget about a rosy future at the Bureau.
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#36
Now I understand why General McMaster is coming under so much heat from the Right, and other venues.

Quote:McMaster Refuses to Use the Phrase ‘Islamic Terrorism’, Purges Critics of Islam

NatSec Advisor H.R. McMaster is purging anyone who mentions Obama holdovers or criticizes Islam. McMaster refuses to use the term ‘Islamic terrorism’ and believes jihadists are perverting Islam.

Not only are McMaster’s views extremely dangerous, they are to the contrary of what President Trump believes. Many in the alternative media are now calling McMaster a Deep State plant; he must be fired and replaced with someone who is on the same page as President Trump.


The New York Times reported on McMaster’s refusal to say ‘Islamic terrorism’ shortly after he replaced General Flynn as NatSec Advisor, back in February:

Quote: President Trump’s newly appointed national security adviser has told his staff that Muslims who commit terrorist acts are perverting their religion, rejecting a key ideological view of other senior Trump advisers and signaling a potentially more moderate approach to the Islamic world.

The adviser, Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, told the staff of the National Security Council on Thursday, in his first “all hands” staff meeting, that the label “radical Islamic terrorism” was not helpful because terrorists are “un-Islamic,” according to people who were in the meeting.

That is a repudiation of the language regularly used by both the president and General McMaster’s predecessor, Michael T. Flynn, who resigned last week after admitting that he had misled Vice President Mike Pence and other officials about a phone call with a Russian diplomat.

Perhaps its now time to rehabilitate General Flynn, and reinstate him to his old job.  General Flynn was 'done dirty' by the Deep State and Jackasses.  He deserves some 'Payback'.

Furthermore, it is Islam that is the real enemy, not muslims. If he looked at it like that he wouldn't be trying to play Social Justice Warrior and going nice with that Cult. Banghead
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#37
Here is why General Flynn needs to be rehabilitated.  This link is all about his quotes.  Just read through them and see if he is not a serious leader who has his head screwed on correctly.

Michael T. Flynn Quotes

You cannot defeat an enemy you do not admit exists. - Michael T. Flynn
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#38
(08-05-2017, 10:20 AM)John L Wrote: Here is why General Flynn needs to be rehabilitated.  

Not gonna happen ... the pro-Iran faction has gotten too strong to allow such a thing.
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(08-05-2017, 10:34 AM)mr_yak Wrote:
(08-05-2017, 10:20 AM)John L Wrote: Here is why General Flynn needs to be rehabilitated.  

Not gonna happen ... the pro-Iran faction has gotten too strong to allow such a thing.

Only time will tell Jack. If Trump doesn't do anything about this group, he will lose a great deal of his following. I'd love to know what McMaster is thinking here. Shock
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#40
Since it appears that all the 'Usual Suspects' are all out defending McMasters, there is more going on here than is on the surface.

But the final say is el Trumpo, who has made a somewhat cryptic endorsement of his NSA chief. And to the New Yawk Times no less.

Quote:Trump Defends McMaster as Conservatives Seek His Dismissal

President Trump defended Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, his embattled national security adviser, on Friday in the face of a full-bore campaign by the nationalist wing of his political coalition accusing him of undermining the president’s agenda and calling for his dismissal.

General McMaster has angered the political right by pushing out several conservatives on the national security staff and cautioning against ripping up the nuclear agreement with Iran negotiated by President Barack Obamawithout a strategy for what comes next. His future has been in doubt amid speculation that Mr. Trump might send him to Afghanistan.

But after two days of unrelenting attacks on General McMaster by conservative activists and news sites, complete with the Twitter hashtag #FireMcMaster, the president weighed in to quash such talk. “General McMaster and I are working very well together,” he said in a statement emailed to The New York Times. “He is a good man and very pro–Israel. I am grateful for the work he continues to do serving our country.”

Further, The Donald has little or no use for the NYTimes, so something seems a bit strange.

Hey, if he is so "Pro-Israel" then why is he kowtowing to Iran?

Something's going on here that is not kosher. As for General Flynn, you may be right. But its not right to leave him dangling on a string and discarded so casually.
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