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Oroville Dam Flooding Crisis
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Not sure if anyone is aware of this, but the extremely heavy snows and rains in California is about to cause some unbelievable problems come spring.  And as a precluding factor, there is this little bit of information.  The other day Anthony Watts reported on a washout on the Oroville Dam Spillway, where there was a question whether or not the missing concrete had been poured without rebar.  I found it interesting because this could be problematic.

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Well, the damage has gotten far worse, and is in danger of destroying the spillway.  But the lake is filling so fast that the emergency overflow will most likely be the only way to release all of the excess flooding, which will be passed along down stream.  

Damaged Lake #OrovilleDam spillway being sacrificed with high releases – now about 4 feet to top

The above article does a good job of explaining the dam's history and what has happened to the spillway.  But the comments also show something interesting.  While the authorities state that this damage was unexpected, there was a picture posted from 2013, which shows that this may not be true.  They may have known about this for almost four years, but never did anything about it.

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Further, What’s more worrying is this graph comparing the 1997/98 super El Niño year to this year.

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Note how quickly the lake is flooding this winter, and the winter is not over yet.  

But here's something else.  This is only one lake reservoir in California.  I don't know how many there are in total, but its quite a few.  Imagine what is also going on at all the other ones, which are having to deal with all this flooding and unbelievable snowfall in the mountains.  Just imagine what will happen when all this snow melts come spring.  

Keep your eyes on all this, because it looks like California is going to be in a terrible state of disaster later this year.
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So does this refill the aquifers that have been drying up? This was the proclaimed cause of water shortages to the region.
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(02-10-2017, 09:32 PM)WmLambert Wrote: So does this refill the aquifers that have been drying up? This was the proclaimed cause of water shortages to the region.

If you mean the underground aquifers, then no. That takes thousands of years.

I expect to see more of this soon, because the dropping of all that much H2O over that state is almost totally unprecedented.
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Oh man, this is one huge, major disaster waiting to happen. The lake is already at its overflow point, as of early this morning, when the water began flowing over the natural embankment right here.

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California's Tallest Dam Overtopping, Spillway Fails from Sinkhole Damage, Possible Evacuation (307)


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https://www.facebook.com/KCRA3/videos/10...492371514/
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Update Oroville Dam Overtops, Govt Still Refuses to Order Evacuation Preparations (309)


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Its only getting worse. And note that the parking lot to the far left is now underwater. That is probably the weak spot, because there is no preventive cement there. If the water makes a deep gouge, it will turn into a huge torrent and cut a major waterway, emptying a large portion of the lake behind it all.

RAW: Chopper Footage Of Damaged Auxiliary Spillway In Danger Of Failing


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Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(02-13-2017, 10:17 AM)WarBicycle Wrote: Oroville Dam: Feds and state officials ignored warnings 12 years ago

Quote:A filing on May 26, 2006, by Thomas Berliner, an attorney for the State Water Contractors, and Douglas Adamson, an attorney for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California, discounted the risk. It urged FERC to reject the request to require that the emergency spillway be armored, a job that would have cost tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars.

“The emergency spillway was designed to safely convey the Probable Maximum Flood, and DWR has reviewed and confirmed the efficacy of the PMF hydrologic analysis for Oroville Reservoir,” the attorneys noted.

Ultimately, they were successful. FERC did not require the state to upgrade the emergency spillway.

What is that old saying "A stitch in time saves nine"? Well, this is going to cost a whole lot more than they thought. And if the dam actually does break, there's going to be hell to pay.

How much you wanna bet that this is the only dam with potential problems? Spiteful
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Emergency Accommodation, Food, Evac Routes & Rain Forecast 72 Hours California (311)







I'm going to break this off and place it as a separate thread.
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Governor MoonBeam is showing everyone how he plays the political game

After bashing Trump, California Gov. Jerry Brown asks for federal aid

Unfortunately, Trump has already approved the federal relief funds for the Oroville Dam problem.  He should have kept them frozen and made the Head Kalifornia Kook get on his knees and beg for them.  Oh, and also apologize for his outrageous remarks.
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#12
Oroville may have accidentally dodged a bullet. The huge storm hitting California, landed in LA's laps and it is getting hammered severely instead.

Major flooding, mudslides and deadly winds as biggest storm in years barrels into L.A. area
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(02-16-2017, 07:41 PM)John L Wrote: Governor MoonBeam is showing everyone how he plays the political game

After bashing Trump, California Gov. Jerry Brown asks for federal aid

Unfortunately, Trump has already approved the federal relief funds for the Oroville Dam problem.  He should have kept them frozen and made the Head Kalifornia Kook get on his knees and beg for them.  Oh, and also apologize for his outrageous remarks.

It would feel good for Brown to get smacked down - but Trump is a basically decent man, and would never put party politics ahead of the people who are the ones in need. If he can do it in such a way to rub his nose in it - then that might be the best we can hope for.
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Bill, I suspect California is headed for a severe series of natural catastrophes, and this will cost all of us to the point where the overall economy will suffer.  

Its generally acknowledged that along with a grand solar minimum will come earthquakes.  And like the History Channel program "Little Ice Age, Big Chill" states, unusually high rainfall will also cause severe flooding and crop destruction.  And from the looks of things, California is in the process of experiencing this heavy rain.

For some time now, this upcoming flooding is expected to be the result of what is known as an "Atmospheric River".  So, naturally it is called an "ARkstorm".  Here's what I mean:

ARkstorm




I believe we are experiencing the opening phase of this Atmospheric River inundation and California is going to be going through another example of the 1861-62 Great Flood, which almost everyone has no idea about it historically: California Megaflood: Lessons from a Forgotten Catastrophe:
A 43-day storm that began in December 1861 put central and southern California underwater for up to six months, and it could happen again


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This whole thing with Oroville Dam and the threat of it collapsing is just the tip of the iceberg. And while this round may not be the Real ARkstorm, its going to occur sometime in the near future, and someone is going to have to pay for all those "loose nuts" who have been rolling to California since 1968.

California's Other Big One_ Are You Prepared? MegaStorm 1861


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Oh, I forgot to add this yesterday.  Its from Anthony Watt's site "WattsUpWithThat".

Storm: 10 trillion gallons over next 7 days for CA #LakeOroville watershed to get massive amounts of rain

Can you just imagine 10 trillion gallons of water unleashed into the California central valley?  And in such a short time?  Wow!

"Excessive rainfall on way to California 4 to 10 inches of rain along coast from Santa Cruz north … same for mountains above Oroville." –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter

"Result in California over next 7-days is widespread heavy rain … 5″+ along coast up to 10-12″ at elevation. All told, 10 Trillion gallons" –Dr. Ryan Maue on Twitter

Central Valley Flood Risk


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As with everything, politics is always involved.  And since Oroville is in North California, that part of the state is overwhelmingly to the Right of their Southern neighbors.  These folks are very unhappy with the way things have been going, and don't appreciate the fact that they are grossly underrepresented in the state. 

Sooooo, it seems that a very high percentage of Northern Californians want to secede and set up a separate state named Jefferson.

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What has them upset is the fact that the top third of the state only has 6 representatives, and the lower two thirds have 114, 114 who don't have their best interests in mind.

Quote:The farmers and ranchers of Butte County, surrounding Oroville, live vastly different lives than the millionaires strolling Santa Monica’s beaches or riding the Google buses to Mountain View or the Facebook coaches to Menlo Park. Butte County favored Trump in the election 46% to 42%, despite the presence of the more urban and traditionally more liberal Chico within its boundaries. Downstream neighbor Yuba County, home of Yuba City and Marysville, is perhaps a more accurate barometer: It went for Trump at nearly 58%.

In this part of the state, Brown is the bad guy for picking fights with the president over immigration, climate change and national priorities. Trump, in turn, called California “out of control” and suggested he might try to withhold federal funding, particularly over whether the more liberal coastal cities were acting as sanctuaries for undocumented immigrants.

“As you know, I’m very much opposed to sanctuary cities. They breed crime. There’s a lot of problems,” Trump told Fox News host Bill O’Reilly. “If we have to, we’ll defund. We give tremendous amounts of money to California. California in many ways is out of control, as you know.”

Brown, for his part, has lauded Trump for promising to repair the nation’s roads, bridges and dams, but has also promised to use the state’s scientists, lawyers and resources to fight the president’s “alternative facts.”

The bad blood has flowed downstream, from the retired homebuilder who trusts Trump over the locally managed state Division of Water Resources, to the traffic flagger who laughs that liberal environmentalists aren’t worried about rare fish when their own homes are endangered, to the evacuee who refuses to return home or be quoted by name because she doesn’t trust what the government will do with the information.
 

This is exactly why I say if California votes to secede, then by all means let them. But divide the state into three parts and then hold elections and see who wants to remain and who wants to pick up all their toys and make like a tree. There is going to be a whole lot of secession going on this century before the 2000 rolls around to 2100. Plus, a state of Jefferson would suddenly be able to offer a freeway to the ocean without having to rely on the "Loose Nuts" who have rolled into California from the rest of the country. S22
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The fear is that since that 114 to 6 ratio exists, that many will be forced into leaving the country they love to be thrown totally under the bus. It would be best if they could be split off - but why would the 114 side let them? The record of minority parts of third world nations splitting off after a coup to stop being savaged is not very good. It is not the California side that needs to secede - it is the USA side that must run the secession and keep the good folks from being dragged into something they don't want.

Remember all the movies where NY is walled off from the rest of the country as a penal colony? In 1981, Curt Russell and Lee Van Cleef starred in one such film where Manhattan was a maximum security prison. The funny thing is that that was set in a future 1997 America. ...Just another example of how the Left-wing media and Hollywood sees everything through a prism. Since Reagan was just elected, they just knew he would cause such a place to spring into existence. Same thing is happening now with Trump.
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I-5 flooding in Williams 2017


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Here's what's left of the regular spillway.

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Here is a better idea as to what happened at Oroville.  The river is almost covered up with rock and silt, and the spillway is ruined.  If all this snow melts quickly, come spring, there is going to be Hell to Pay.

Oh, and the original repair cost was set at $200,000,000, back in 2012.  Right now, fixing this is going to be much higher.  And if the spring flooding goes all 0ut, the cost could be far higher, including civilian damages.   Good old Governor Moonbeam to the rescue.  Gah

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