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Forthcoming European Elections................
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This is going to be an interesting series of elections, which are upcoming in the near future.   And it may well lead to more than a few upsets, mostly due to this Islamic invasion of almost every country on the continent.  Its going to be a firestorm, to state the least.

And the biggest one will most likely be the one that Frau Merkel has set up for herself.  I don't have the latest opinion poll of her job performance, but I know it isn't very good.  So, she is taking the political bull by the horn and doing what any self-respecting politician/bureaucrat always does: take one step backward, after having made two steps forward.  

Regretting something, Angela? Germany's Merkel announces plan to deport 100,000 migrants.  ANGELA MERKEL today announced plans to deport 100,000 migrants who arrived in Germany last year as she continues to backtrack on her controversial open door asylum policy.

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She has managed to accomplish even more havoc than MacDaddy has been able to do here in the US, and yet she believes that simply expelling a measly 10% of the invaders will calm the opposition?  This ought to be fun to watch.   S13

‘Get Out!’ Merkel booed at protest while attending German Unity Day ceremony


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Should the Right win in either Germany or France the EU is doomed.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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The bureaucrats in Brussels just keep doing their best to extend their powers, as all good sorry, good-for-nothing, bureaucrats are want to do.  They just can't help themselves, in their quest for more power.

I keep telling Fred that this is a Huge mistake, because locals all over the globe are beginning to look at themselves, and they want to preserve their uniqueness and localized autonomy to themselves.  They don't want some huge bureaucratic entity somewhere far away, who doesn't care one bit about them.  

And if the EU manages to get a unified army, they will have the power to slap down anyone who wishes to go their own way.  This is sheer lunacy, and they should be learning from the US and the state's own loss of independence.  And you can bet your 'backside' that the bureaucrats in the EU will NEVER start out as the Framers of the US Constitution did, allowing so much power remaining with the individual states.  

Fred is Belgium, but he isn't thinking of how much his country will be hated by the rest of Europe if/when they gain all that power.  Belgium will be hated far more than the Russians.  Mark my words Fred.  This can't be allowed to come to fruition, because this can lead to another major war within Europe to match WWI and WWII.  

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Quote:EU Uses Trump Criticism to Push for European Defense Force

This is not what the average European wants:

Quote:The European Union unveiled plans Wednesday to promote defense cooperation and wiser military spending as U.S. President-elect Donald Trump warns NATO's European allies to start paying their fair share.

The European Commission said the multibillion-euro plan would fund research into areas like encrypted software or robotics and boost investment in joint projects across member states such as drones or helicopters.

It also aims to ease rules restricting defense procurement across borders, improve industry standards and adapt policies like the EU's space program to security priorities.

Americans may read the above and think to themselves: "Why not? It's time for Europe to take care of its own security. Why should we send our soldiers to protect them?"

That's a good question. The answer is, of course: you shouldn't. At least not in most European countries.

However, the EU's "solution" is even worse than the current situation: "Europe" is not one nation. Therefore it also doesn't need one army. And yes, that's what the megalomaniacs in Brussels are trying to accomplish. They've been talking about this for years, and they believe they can now push it through because of Trump's warnings.
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It is of vital importance for European countries to invest more in their militaries. But note the plural there: there is not and never should be a grand European defense force. Not now, not ever. Brussels is only calling for it now because the EU's little autocrats think that by creating an army, they can turn the EU into the United States of Europe, which means they will have more power than ever before. They're doing this while euroscepticism is on the rise and while one populist party after another takes the lead in polls because voters want their national sovereignty back.

No, no, and no. We "Europeans"—there's no such thing, by the way ... Germans and Dutch, French and Belgians, but there aren't "Europeans"—don't see eye to eye on many things. But we do all agree on one thing: we do not want a federal European state or a European army.
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Yes, indeed, the elections are going to be very exiting to watch.

In Austria the far-right has already lost massively against its extreme opposite.

In France François Fillon is almost sure to win and beat Marine Lepen by a large margin. Fillon is someone who says almost the same things as LePen, just he is not far-right and doesn't tell the stupid things the far-right is telling. And he is not anti-EU.
He got a huge success because one day, he said one sentence on the radio against Islam. It's extremely rare and it didn't fall on deaf ears.

More on François Fillon

I notice that poeple are not voting for the only parties who are openly anti-EU. But they are voting far-right parties because they are fed up with migrants and afraid of islam.
If other parties want to survive politicaly they have to stop immigration or at least talking of limiting immigration and fight islamic groups. And that's what they started to do.

So much for the anti-establishement mouvement starting from UKIP, to Trump, to LePen and leading to the dismantelment of the EU and friendliness with Russia.

The decision to deport 100,000 migrants seems a small amount compared to over one million who entered Germany, but at least she is doing it!
Honnestly, wanting to do more is irrealistic. It's very difficult to deport poeple because you need the agreement from the country of origine and they don't always agree. Then you have to put them on a plane with a marshall. You can't do this with one million poeple.
Trump can still put latinos on buses. But we do have to put them on planes.

The European army, no such a thing but let's call it like this, is calqued on other agreements: Contingents from EU member states will be able to move for drills or deployement more easily than before.

This is the only solution. If we want to stop an invader we need unity.

This was the lesson from WW2. The German invided us so easily because there was no common defense plan. The French defended their borders, the Dutch theirs and the Belgians theirs. Had the french been prepared to enter Belgium to help stop the German or had Belgium extended the Maginot Line to their territory, the Wrermacht would have been stopped much longer, and maybe failed.
But at this time it wasn't even conceivable that Belgium and France could share military forces with each other. Even after WW1.

JohnL,
Nobody is going to hate Belgium because of the EU. First because nobody hates the EU.
Second because everybody knows that Belgium doesn't have more power than others at the EU. 99% of the EU parliament and Commission is non-belgian.

The Justice Court is in Strasbourg, France. They could hate it too.
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(12-04-2016, 08:00 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: JohnL,
Nobody is going to hate Belgium because of the EU. First because nobody hates the EU.
Second because everybody knows that Belgium doesn't have more power than others at the EU. 99% of the EU parliament and Commission is non-belgian.

Good. I wouldn't want you guys to get the blame for what a bunch of bureaucrats do. S22

Meanwhile, Eurosceptics delight as Italy's Renzi quits

Quote:Populists in Italy and throughout Europe rejoiced at Renzi's downfall, with the founder of the anti-establishment Five Star movement Beppe Grillo calling for an election "within a week".

Grillo said a snap election should be held on the basis of a recently adopted electoral law designed to ensure the leading party has a parliamentary majority -- a position the populist movement could find itself in at the next election.

"The people have won," Matteo Salvini, head of Italy's anti-immigrant Northern League party cheered on Twitter, with Marine Le Pen of France's far-right National Front sending him and the Italian people "congratulations on this victory".

Britian's eurosceptic Nigel Farage, who spearheaded the "Brexit" campaign, said the vote looked "more about the euro than constitutional change".

This has nothing to do with the EU's future, but obviously the EuroSkeptic community is growing more powerful.
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Oh My, look at this. Frau Merkel is showing everyone that she knows how to stick her finger into the wind, so as to know which way to turn politically. S13

MERKEL'S U-TURN Angela Merkel calls for Germany BURKA BAN saying ‘the full veil is not appropriate here’ in astonishing U-turn

Now, under normal circumstances this would rightly be referred to as Hypocrisy of the grandest order. But obviously politicians, and especially those running for reelection, don't qualify for that distinction. Spiteful
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#7
I wonder how Frau Merkel is going to skate around all of this stuff?

The Cultural Enrichment of Germany


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(12-06-2016, 01:35 PM)John L Wrote: Oh My, look at this. Frau Merkel is showing everyone that she knows how to stick her finger into the wind, so as to know which way to turn politically. S13

MERKEL'S U-TURN Angela Merkel calls for Germany BURKA BAN saying ‘the full veil is not appropriate here’ in astonishing U-turn

Now, under normal circumstances this would rightly be referred to as Hypocrisy of the grandest order. But obviously politicians, and especially those running for reelection, don't qualify for that distinction. Spiteful

Well, at the last minute, she thought "what could I do? ho, an anti-face-veil ban: Doesn't cost anything and even some muslims will agree."

But the poeple want more anti-islam rethoric than that.
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#9
The burqa ban is a relatively safe issue (France already implemented it), and also a completely non-issue. Who cares what people wear – no point in banning it unless they start to wear bombs underneath. It just distracts from the real issues at hand: non-existent border security, an EU that is out of control, and institutions that were not designed to handle constant abuse from immigrants with incompatible cultures. Merkel could easily get re-elected if she would push for real border security (put ships in the Mediterranean and troops / a wall in Greece instead of in Ukraine) and eliminate some expensive EU programs such as the common agricultural policy. Instead she is harassing the UK and trying to sell Germans a fairy tale that the country is stable instead of taking actions compatible with that story.

Change will come next year via France (if Fillon wins), not Germany.
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The burqa ban is not totaly a non-issue: The burqa hides the face (unlike the hidjab which only contours the face hinding the hairs) and this prevents identification of persons.
In Belgium there is already a law which forbid poeple to go in the streets disguised outside the day of carnaval or with anything hiding their face. This makes wearing the burqa an immediate violation of the law (save on carnaval day) without the need to mention it textualy.
In France or Germany, they may not have such general law about face concealement.

Yet, it's a non-issue int he sens it's not what the population asked for. They ask for a protection against the spread of islam. We are still waiting for a single politician abale to promise that.
Even the nationalist parties (extreme-right) don't talk about that clearly. They only rise the topic to justify xenophobia, closing borders and rejecting foreigners which are also not the issue.

Better border security is realy what would make everybody happy, but here again, the poeple mean borders against muslim countries, because of islam, not because too many are coming.

If they wouldn't be muslims, they wouldn't be too many.
And this is where our governements differ with the populations: Our governements wants more poeple to rise the population total in order to obtain a rise of GDP which automaticaly allow for more debt. Their credit rating being calculated as GDP/debt.
It's very difficult to not have a rising GDP when the population is rising even a poor one.

But they don't give a damn ratt ass shit about the fact that they are muslims and that young male represents 80% of them.
Instead, while most ot the poeple worry about these two things, the governement likes it because:
1/ Muslims are more controlable. In that respect they are eager to create islamic institutions which they can control and pay for.
2/ Young men are the best elements for productivity: They have strong arms, culturaly compelled to earn money, will never get pregnant (what for sincce migrants are coming by the millions. Why funding child care when you can get adults immediately)

Fortunately politician starts to remember that they also need to be elected.
They see with a sens of panic that nationalist parties are stealing all the voices. They slowly start to understand why.

Nationalists promise better border security. The problem is that they mean national border, not external EU border with muslim countries. And in this case, it's worthless.
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While Le Pen would still lose in a Runoff election, at this time, she is still advancing at the expense of the other candidates.

Le Pen Advances in French Polls as Security Concerns Sway Voters

The First Round is on April 23rd, and two months are an eternity politically.

And to the north of Paris, Even Norway Is Riding the Populist Wave of Politics

Quote:In the wake of Britain’s vote to leave the European Union and the ascendancy of Donald Trump, the Center Party is surging in the polls and aims to play a pivotal role in ousting the Conservative-led minority government in September’s general election.

At stake is Norway’s decades-old relationship with the European Economic Area. The agreement, which grants non-EU members like Norway access to the bloc’s single market, was often cited as a possible model for Britain in connection with Brexit.

"I hope that Brussels sees the need to decentralize more and have more trust in local and nationally elected officials," party leader Trygve Slagsvold Vedum, 39, said in an interview at his office in Oslo in which he emphasized his party isn’t seeking “drastic change.”
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reuters Wrote:Le Pen promised to tighten immigration, push for a stronger role of the state in business, and introduce a seven-year non-renewable presidential mandate to replace the current five-year mandate.
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Fascism...
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(02-26-2017, 07:26 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
reuters Wrote:Le Pen promised to tighten immigration, push for a stronger role of the state in business, and introduce a seven-year non-renewable presidential mandate to replace the current five-year mandate.
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Fascism...

If Reuters is correct about that, then you are right there Fred.  This is the problem with Populism, it tries to be everything to everyone, and generally fails at everything in the end.  

And if it is Fascism, it is anything BUT Right Wing. Here’s Why It’s Idiotic To Conflate Fascism With Right Wing Ideology

Quote:On the political spectrum, the furthest to the left, the more totalitarian the government is. Centralized planning and governmental control over the lives of individuals is characteristic of all forms of socialism, whether Communist or the Nationalist variety (fascism); and the state assumes preeminence over individual rights when taken to the extreme.

The furthest to the right on the political spectrum, the more individual liberty is advanced. Taken to its extreme is anarchy. When analyzed logically, then, National Socialism and fascism are wholly incongruent philosophically and practically to the right of the spectrum. Those who refer to Nazism as “right-wing” are politically ill-informed and have fallen for Stalin’s tactic of referring to them as such. One scholar makes the point that Nazism is to Communism what Pepsi is to Coke: basically the same but with a little different flavor.

Economically, fascism advocates control of business and labor, not ownership of it as communism advocates. In fact, Mussolini called his system the “Corporate State.” Even the term “totalitarianism” derives from Mussolini’s concept of the preeminence of the “total state.”

Indeed, European fascism is an offshoot of Marxism, the theoretical framework for communism and socialism. The founding father to fascism, Benito Mussolini, in 1919 established the Fasci Italiani di Combattimento, which by 1921 became the National Fascist Party. He was born and raised a socialist. His father was a member of the same internationale as Marx and Engels. His father read him Das Kapital as a bedtime story. He was kicked out of the Italian Socialist Party in 1914 for supporting World War I, which he believed would save socialism, and stubbornly declared that he’d die a socialist.
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My friends over at FEE(Foundation for Economic Education) have this article about Madam Marine and why she should be rejected. I don't quite agree with his number two though, because Islam is not a religion, but rather an "Autocratic Cult" that is masquerading as a religion. That's something that needs stressing on a daily basis.

6 Non-Racism Reasons to Reject Marine Le Pen
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Here's the latest concerning the upcoming French election.  MEPs vote to lift Marine Le Pen's immunity for tweeting violent Isil images.

Quote:group of European members of parliament on Tuesday voted "overwhelmingly" to lift the immunity of French far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen for tweeting pictures of Isil violence.

Ms Le Pen, 48, an MEP, is under investigation in France for posting three graphic images of Isil executions on Twitter in 2015, including the beheading of the American journalist James Foley.

Responding to a request from the French judiciary, members of the legal affairs committee voted to lift her immunity, according to EU officials.

For the life of me, I can't understand the politics here.  It just solidifies my opinion of how uninformed and tyrannical the Euros can be.  

Quote:Ms Le Pen did not immediately react to the vote.

However, Florian Philippot, the vice president of Ms Le Pen's far-right Front National party, defended her decision to post the Tweets, telling Reuters: "Showing and naming the horror of Islamism allow us to fight against it."

Obviously the Euros haven't realized that they are in an undeclared war with Islam.  When are they ever going to finally wake up and smell the burning bodies?   Regardless what this issues, this may well bolster her voting block come the second round of elections.  Then we will finally get a good idea as to how many French actually are aware that Islam is out to destroy their country.  

This is so frustrating to watch.  Gah
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JL Wrote:My friends over at FEE(Foundation for Economic Education) have this article about Madam Marine and why she should be rejected. I don't quite agree with his number two though, because Islam is not a religion, but rather an "Autocratic Cult" that is masquerading as a religion. That's something that needs stressing on a daily basis.

6 Non-Racism Reasons to Reject Marine Le Pen

Of course Reuters is correct about Le Pen. She may not be as radical as Mussolini but close to it, with a Trumpist policy , with the difference that Trump is capable of changing his mind about his own non-sens.

Few poeple in France realize that the worst problem with Le Pen will be economy.
Everybody focuse in racism, and they are right to do so, but nobody points to her suicidal economic program.
And this is because most of the criticism comes from the left which is pro-islam and not opposed to suicidal economic reforms neither.

About "point two" from the article, I agree with him because banning, whatever you ban or forbid is not effective, oppressive in manner and against individual liberties.
IMO poeple should be allowed to wear what they want, unless it's obviousely outrageous.

Islam should be countered by the intellect, by prooving the world that it's a failure and that non-islam is a success.
The FN is not clear about that. They just want to ban immigration et signs of regiousity. It doesn't even target Islam namely.

Quote:group of European members of parliament on Tuesday voted "overwhelmingly" to lift the immunity of French far-right presidential candidate Marine Le Pen for tweeting pictures of Isil violence.
I haven't read or heard anything about that. It must one trick to counter her rise among others.
I don't think anyone deem it wrong to tweet ISIL pictures of atrocities. It's just that they have found a legal breach where they can engulf their anti-Le Pen attacks in.

The most important affair is a misuse of EU funds for MEP's aides.
This is low-life politic tactic to defeat opponents but the case is real and much more worrying for her than ISIL pics.
This on top of national French affairs...

The good news is that Macron is leading in the polls.
It's a centrist (which means the right for those in the left), doesn't have extreme ideas.
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French Communist Party gaining?
Quote:...In a sign of nervousness, Macron supporters spread an online video over the weekend highlighting Melenchon's tax plans while party secretary general Richard Ferrand urged voters to delve into his radical programme.

- How leftwing is he? -

He's backed by the French Communist Party, is an admirer of late Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and has a huge tax-and-spend economic programme.

Really? Are all Communists devoid of historic acumen?
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Both Europe and the USA have gone too far to turn back on the "all cultures are = and welcome idea". That's what happens when you reject your core belief systems.

We've been preaching this trash and murdering people since the 1990s to prove this is factual. It was the basis of the anti Serbia war, good old ethnic cleansing won't be tolerated. Can't do that stuff anymore, it's not a valid idea in the west.

Best thing is to find a home in another area that is safe and didn't fall for this nonsense. Much of Central America and South America is wiser than the west and I bet much of Africa and Asia are as well. China is changing fairly rapidly and may be a good place to live.
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(04-10-2017, 02:18 PM)WmLambert Wrote: French Communist Party gaining?
Quote:...In a sign of nervousness, Macron supporters spread an online video over the weekend highlighting Melenchon's tax plans while party secretary general Richard Ferrand urged voters to delve into his radical programme.

- How leftwing is he? -

He's backed by the French Communist Party, is an admirer of late Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez and has a huge tax-and-spend economic programme.

Really? Are all Communists devoid of historic acumen?

Collectivism is a religion to all those Utopianists. But most important of all is that the next time Collectivism won't fail, because he/she "will do it right this time". They just didn't do it right all the failed times before.

They will never learn, because they are adult bodies, walking around carrying an adolescent brain that never matured.
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Melenchon is far-left: It means he will turn France into a second Venezuela.

Who vote for him: Mostly governement workers, some workers in large industrial companies affiliated to unions who think that they should become governement workers to get a job for life and some intellectuals, artists and unemployees (well: other governement workers).
Some muslims too.
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