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(05-13-2017, 09:31 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: What's with the backward-reaching horn coming from just above its front leg? What good would it do for the animal? Maybe if an Allosaur grabbed it by the midsection, the Nodosaur could bend and drive the horn through the head of the Allosaur.

How about this. These guys look bigger when they stand up. And since they almost certainly used their height to browse among vegetation that was harder for others to reach, the front legs may have been a great target for Mr Allosaurus to grab. After all allosaurs and T Rex were upright and taller, making it easier to grab without having to bend over. With armored front legs, those spikes wouldn't feel great inside the soft tissue of the inner mouth. S5
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Did you notice how warm it was up there when that big guy was here? Global warming baby.
(05-13-2017, 09:49 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: If you analyze the animal foods listed as unclean in Leviticus 11, you will find that they all consist of omnivores, scavengers, or carnivores--all of which would tend to concentrate toxins in the environment. The animal foods listed as clean were all herbivores, which would pick up the least contaminants in the environment.

Certainly similar observations could be made in other cultures. There was nothing secret about the distinctions between clean and unclean animals--the Genesis account of the Flood says that it was only unclean animals that went into Noah's Ark by twos--clean animals went into the Ark by sevens. (See Genesis 7:2.)
Out of curiosity, why  would God allow unclean species to survive?   Diversity??  Or the fact that there needs to be a sort of natural "janitorial staff"??  And in the case of the Baconators, why would he make them taste so damn good?

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Scavengers have obvious utility. Carnivores help control the numbers of the herbivores, so they don't proliferate to the point of ecological upset. This isn't the way God originally intended things to be in nature, but He apparently decided to allow nature to teach us with its being "red in tooth and claw," what the reality would be of living life based on selfish striving.

As for why bacon tastes so good, perhaps it is a matter of our tastes becoming perverted. Some friends of mine who were lifelong vegetarians, were challenged by some non-vegetarian friends to see how their children would react to the taste of meat--in the form of beef in spaghetti. All six children had been raised without ever tasting meat. They each reacted negatively to the taste of meat, and when they found out why their food tasted so funny, were upset with the adults involved for foisting a carnivorous diet upon them. Some of the children were fairly small, and manifested their negative reaction merely by crying and rejecting the food.

I, and most vegetarians I know, were raised as non-vegetarians, and adopted a mostly vegetarian lifestyle by choice later in life. So I cannot really know intuitively how animal foods of any kind would taste to a person who was raised without being exposed to such food.

All this, of course, is apart from consideration that most animals used for food are sentient beings, with minds and emotions remarkably similar to our own, and that in almost all cases, there is no longer any need to use animals for food. In fact, providing nourishment for people can be done for far less expense, and far less damage to the land, by vegetarian means. Using plants for food is 10 to 12 times as efficient as using animals for food that have to be fed large amounts of plants to produce edible meat, dairy products, etc. In other words, you can feed 10-12 times as many people on a given parcel of land if they just eat the plants grown there, compared to feeding the people meat from the animals that are fed plants grown on the parcel of land. It has also been remarked many times how increasingly desperate is the problem of contamination of ground water in the states that have a heavy cattle industry, from the massive amount of manure generated, which far exceeds the benefit of fertilizing the soil.

For those of us who were raised with a taste for animal foods, there are meat analogs made of vegetable protein that most people find quite good and satisfying--such as the Morningstar Farms frozen foods like "Grillers" and "Stripples" and "Chik Patties" and "Riblets" and meatless "sausage" (patties and links), even vegetarian fish substitutes like "Tuno." Most of these foods are available in any Kroger store. Turkey substitutes such as "Tofurky" are more likely to be found in health food stores. In addition to the frozen foods, there is a wide variety of meat analogs sold in the form of canned products, such as "Linketts" and "Fri-Chik," that are more commonly found in health food stores. I often order mine through Amazon--especially "Fri-Chik" and "Prime steaks" and "Swiss Steaks." But be advised that most of these products are largely based on soy protein and wheat protein. Some people are sensitive to soy protein, and some people are sensitive to wheat gluten (the protein in wheat). There is a line of meat analogs that comes from Britain, based on fungal Mycelium--the underground part of mushrooms--with the brand name, Quorn. It is not vegan though, because their products are mixed with egg whites. But it does not contain any soy or wheat.

All these meat analogs provide high concentrations of fully balanced proteins equal to meat--without the cholesterol and high fat content of meats. And, of course, without the diseases and parasites often found in meat.
I always wondered if taste buds vary from person to person. Is there any reason why what I perceive to be vanilla might not taste like chocolate to someone else? Must be some reason why foods I like are disliked by someone else.
I'm getting more like Ron on this 'meat' thing. As I am able to get on the internet and see videos of animals showing the same emotions as humans, and the fact that they are much smarter than we ever perceived, I am turned off with the fact that we have to slaughter those caring and loving animals, such as dogs, cows, horses, pigs, seals, and a host of other mammals. The only thing they seem to be short on is a pair of hands and voice coils that would enable them to communicate and have manual dexterity.

They have shown that they can think for themselves, and they know when they are going to be slaughtered. I would never be able to make it through even one hour at a slaughter house, having to listen to those terrified critters, crying for help, and none there to offer them but death.

If the genetic manipulated meats are perfected, I will not have a worry, because that doesn't involve slaughtering our four legged neighbors.

I am constantly reminded of the little bushman, who cradles his prey, and offers praise and condolences for having to take the animal's life. That's exactly how I feel about this.

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Somehow I thought I had posted this a few days ago, but apparently not.

Oldest Homo sapiens fossil claim rewrites our species' history: Remains from Morocco dated to 315,000 years ago push back our species' origins by 100,000 years — and suggest we didn't evolve only in East Africa.

Quote:Researchers say that they have found the oldest Homo sapiens remains on record in an improbable place: Morocco.

At an archaeological site near the Atlantic coast, finds of skull, face and jaw bones identified as being from early members of our species have been dated to about 315,000 years ago. That indicates H. sapiens appeared more than 100,000 years earlier than thought: most researchers have placed the origins of our species in East Africa about 200,000 years ago.

The finds, which are published on 7 June in Nature1, 2, do not mean that H. sapiens originated in North Africa. Instead, they suggest that the species' earliest members evolved all across the continent, scientists say.

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If you were a country boy(I'm not, just exposed to farming via friends) you would have known animals can be very similar to humans. If you hear a heifer moan for her bull calf it would make you cry.

I helped keep a co-worker's cattle business stay afloat while he was in Iraq in 2005. My job was to cut out specific heifers and bullcalves after treatment in the corral.

The mother would get treated, I'd let her outside the corral. She would walk out and turn around and wait for her bullcalf. I'd let him out and they would saunter off together, as your mother did you when you were 3 years old.

When I was told to cut out a bullcalf for sale, I'd put him inside a barn and not let him back to his mother.

She immediately starts this crying/moaning that broke my hard heart back then. She does this for 48 straight hours and then finally stops and returns to normal cow life. Extremely touching to be honest.

Recently, I had to put down my largest dog. You would not believe the depression that has come to my other 2, total personality changes. They have feeling just like humans do.

However, as we move "down" the chain, this is not accurate. Example, momma bird will kick her baby out of the nest if she perceives he's sick.
Not sure if this should be in the Biology thread, but it is biology based on archeological findings: Here.

Ancient humans had sex with non humans,

I've been reviewing the History Channel's series on Ancient Aliens. The series brings up all the reasons why early man may have been steered in technological directions far beyond their innate ability. ...Things like a near-neolithic tribe worshiping visitors from Sirius-B which was not even discovered recently.

Findings from this new discovery makes one wonder if that ghost species was extraterrestrial. Who else would leave no fossilized evidence behind?

One of the neat twists in this series was that the Great Pyramid in Giza had similarities to Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower.

That was very prevalent in ancient history, so I wonder if almost every cultural group we have info from means it is likely a valid thing?

From this continent and SA across to China and back most the ancient cultures have epics of humans being screwed by "divine creatures" and the offspring being famous( or infamous). Since it is that wide spread, I think it lends credence to it and now we may have physical proof?

There are several things in various epics that seem global and this is one of them. Catastrophic demise of all or most of humanity( most via flood, but, not all), the temple of the various God/gods spreading across the entire earth are 3 I recall from courses.
If you have Comcast, go to On Demand and go to Ancient Aliens TV series. It is free and has been ongoing for 13 seasons, I think. The first two episodes are enough to whet your whistle. I'm not too sold on Von Daniken, because he purposefully lied in his books - but the rest hangs together.
Take some of the claims and compare them with this skeptic. Colavito spends a lot of time on the claims in that series:
Yeah, I know, I've been aware of Erich Von Daniken's chicanery since forever, but there are still many things that aren't easy to dismiss. The one I mentioned was Sirius-B. How does a neolithic tribe worship a star before it is discovered?

I've always been one of those skeptics who accept weird things as being solvable with more knowledge. But there are still things that the jury is still out on. I studied all the meteorological phenomena which are hard to explain but exist. The one thing I personally saw that I cannot explain was once, when as a kid I was out at night and saw a perfect circle of light move across the ground. It was a clear night and there was nothing visible in the sky above. What made this so strange was that lasers hadn't been invented yet, and the circular splash of light was impossible to create. At the time I assumed some high-flying vehicle was high enough to project a circle and not an oval and not be seen. It wasn't until later that I learned the feat was beyond our technology.
Here's a nice finding in Science News showing new revelations on the ancient Canaanites and what happened to them, and where they are today.

Quote:Ancient DNA offers clues to the Canaanites’ fate: Modern Lebanese people descended from this ancient Levant group.

The Canaanites emerged in the Levant, a region east of the Mediterranean Sea, 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. This cultural group, which established extensive trade networks and colonies across the Mediterranean region, left behind few written records, perhaps because they wrote on papyrus rather than clay. So most knowledge of the Canaanites comes from ancient Egyptian, Hebrew and Greek documents.

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The researchers also determined that modern Lebanese people can attribute about 93 percent of their ancestry to the Canaanites. The other 7 percent comes from Eurasians who probably arrived in the Levant 3,700 to 2,200 years ago. Study coauthor Chris Tyler-Smith, a geneticist at the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute in Hinxton, England, was surprised by how much Canaanite heritage dominated modern Lebanese DNA. He says he expected to see a more mixed gene pool because so many populations have crossed through the Levant in the last few thousand years.
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Sounds to me like the Greek historians got it accurate. The articles says 50% came from Iran.
Here's something that can be interpreted by so many groups that it will almost certainly make things about early human development even more complicated. It'll probably be on History Channel's "Ancient Aliens" show for next season. Spiteful

Footprint find on Crete may push back date humans began to walk upright. HUMAN-like footprints have been found on an ancient sea shore. They shouldn’t be there. They’re in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Quote:HUMAN-like footprints have been found stamped into an ancient sea shore fossilised beneath the Mediterranean island of Crete. They shouldn’t be there.

Testing puts the rock’s age at 5.7 million years. That’s a time when palaeontologists believe our human ancestors had only apelike feet.
And they lived in Africa.

But a study into the Trachilos, western Crete, prints determines them to feature prominent human features and an upright stance. And that’s significant as the human foot has a unique shape. It combines a long sole, five short toes, no claws — and a big toe.

In comparison, the foot of a Great Ape look much more like a human hand. And that step in evolution wasn’t believed to have taken place until some 4 million years ago.

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More rock carving depicting dogs used in hunting. Date is unknown yet, but could be the oldest available.

These may be the world’s first images of dogs—and they’re wearing leashes

World's first images of dogs—and they're wearing leashes

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Interresting, the "reverse elbow". Was it more confortable to use?
(01-28-2018, 06:50 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Interresting, the "reverse elbow". Was it more confortable to use?

I'm not sure what you mean by "reverse elbow" Fred.  I looked at the figures and other than being primitive the humans seemed to be laid out in the correct order.

One, no actually two, mistakes made in the video was mention of the oldest time showing domesticated dogs only going back about fifteen thousand years.  Its actually much older than that, since the oldest dog and human archaeological evidence is now forty-nine thousand years before present.

The second mistake was about the SA peninsula being deep desert around 8,000 BP.  Back then was the warmest point of this Holocene interglacial.  And back then N. Africa and Middle East were much wetter then, so the area in question would have almost certainly been a grassy plain, with rivers and greenery.

Oh, and if you are referring to the erect appendage sticking up in front of the hunter, well......what can I say. S13
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I have to confess that I didn't expect anything such as this news.

Quote:Lost Amazon villages uncovered by archaeologists.
81 settlements have been found in an area once thought to have been near-uninhabited, and research suggests there were hundreds more.

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Once people thought the Amazon was a near-uninhabited rainforest before the Europeans turned up, but researchers say they have found new evidence that it was in fact a hive of human activity and home to millions of people.

A new study has revealed details of 81 sites in the previously uncharted territory of the Amazon’s upper Tapajós Basin, with settlements ranging from small villages just 30m wide to a large site covering 19 hectares.

Researchers say the new discoveries are helping to unpick what the Amazon would have been like before Europeans arrived.

“The idea that the Amazon was a pristine forest, untouched by humans, home to scattered nomadic populations … we already knew that was not true,” said Dr Jonas Gregorio de Souza, first author of the study from the University of Exeter. “The big debate is how populations were distributed in pre-Columbian times in the Amazon.”

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