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#21
(04-20-2016, 12:30 PM)Palladin Wrote: John,

Can you explain how Israel "legally" uses force or enforces Israeli law outside of Israel when stealing property of local Arabs? Note to John, God loves these Palestinian Arabs, too. God holds Jews accountable as His elect, ever remember reading about that?  In this case, the Arabs are being mis treated, simple as that and only a willfully blind human can side with Israel in EJ and the WB.
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And once more I stated that your articles do NOT demonstrate where Israel is breaking the law.  Further they don't show that Jews are actually stealing property from the local Arabs.   Jews are using the laws to take over property: they are  legally purchasing them from willing Palestinians.  
Now, if they obtain clear title to the property, is that stealing in your universe?
Further, are you saying that the only legitimate laws are those of Jordan's?  Those are the only two sovereign countries surrounding the West Bank.  You keep hurling invectives, yet you don't use logic or legality to back them up.  
Once again, which laws are you talking about?
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#22
If it is not Israel, it is not legal for Israel to do anything there. Certainly not stealing personal property. EAST JERUSALEM IS NOT ISRAEL. How hard is this to figure out John?

All your libertarianism just takes a break when we're discussing Jews mis treating Arabs.

It's wrong and of all damned people on earth Jews ought to know better than to conduct business like that. You ought to know, a Jew and a Christian. But, you don't.

Now, there's a problem here. What is it about Jews that your combination of Jewish and Christian morality says, "Jews can treat people like this because......"

Don't waste your time on security, we all know old Jerusalem is not an avenue for foreign invasion. Fill in the mysterious logic here.

Because God has different morality for Jews than for me or an Arab?
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#23
(04-20-2016, 03:00 PM)Palladin Wrote: If it is not Israel, it is not legal for Israel to do anything there. Certainly not stealing personal property. EAST JERUSALEM IS NOT ISRAEL. How hard is this to figure out John?

OH, so sayeth the PLO, and you too.  I see.  And again, you refuse to clarify just what you mean by "stealing" other's property, when there was an agreeable transaction between buyer and seller.  But regardless, its those "disgusting" Joos, just like that "disgusting" Bebe.  Hell, they're all "disgusting", aren't they?  

After all, Jews are supposed to just do as they did in the 1930s and 40s.   Earth to Palladin, earth to Palladin, the overwhelming majority of those Joos in Israel ain't Ashkenazis, who love to whimper as they shuffle off to the gas chambers.  

Quote:All your libertarianism just takes a break when we're discussing Jews mis treating Arabs.

It's wrong and of all damned people on earth Jews ought to know better than to conduct business like that. You ought to know, a Jew and a Christian. But, you don't.

I'm a historian by education, and took extensive courses in Ancient Civilizations, and Medieval history.  And all before I went in the service.  I believe I know a pretty good amount about what has occurred over there for several thousand years sir.  But I also look at things from both sides, as you have trouble doing.  Those Palestinian leaders are far more "disgusting", as you love saying, than their opposites.  

Fortunately, my moral character is not saddled with blinders.  Gah

Quote:Now, there's a problem here. What is it about Jews that your combination of Jewish and Christian morality says, "Jews can treat people like this because......"

Don't waste your time on security, we all know old Jerusalem is not an avenue for foreign invasion. Fill in the mysterious logic here.

Because God has different morality for Jews than for me or an Arab?

Again, you must have been skimming when I also wrote that the Jews have things to answer for as well.  I've stated this several times.  However, there is no one over there totally without sin.  

But tell me King Solomon, just how would you recommend the baby be divided?   I'm serious here.  What is your recommendation that will satisfy all, and work best for all?   Try holding off with all the ""disgusting"" proclamations and dispense some wisdom for all of us.  Ok?[/quote]
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#24
No John, it is wrong to steal and persecute people.

If the PLO says so, in that case they are right, so I agree with the PLO this time, OK? When communists said racism was wrong, communists were right, weren't they? I share the communists' view of race relations. Southern racist Christians were wrong then, weren't they?

Right is always right, even when stupid asses agree and wrong is always wrong, even when Jews are the Goliath and in EJ and the WB, Jews are way off base according to their Hebrew Bible. Like I said, of all the humans on this earth, Jews by their entire existence OUGHT to know it is wrong to steal and persecute weaker people and Jewish Christians even moreso.

Yet, because it is Jews fucking Arabs, you need to say I am a PLO supporter siding with the Palestinian Arabs in these 2 areas and William decided I was a wahabbi Muslim.

You 2 are intellectually bankrupt. Stealing is stealing and persecution is persecution. God doesn't change and Jews do not get a special deal. Just read the Jewish text.
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#25
Again, you have not shown where the Jews have been stealing from the Palestinians in East Jerusalem. And again you have not shown where those Jews were not owners of the properties in question.

I challenge you to show where and how they are guilty of stealing.
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#26
Jews have been stealing property from and persecuting Palestinian Arabs in EJ& the WB for decades. That needs documenting like the holocaust needs it.
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#27
(04-21-2016, 11:32 AM)Palladin Wrote: Jews have been stealing property from and persecuting Palestinian Arabs in EJ& the WB for decades.  That needs documenting like the holocaust needs it.

Provide documented proof.
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#28
Here's little judicial decision making it "legal" for Jews to steal from Arabs outside Israel:

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.652231
https://www.yahoo.com/news/palestinians-...tml?ref=gs

Little land seizure info here:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/settlements.html

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/20...cates.html


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29008045

Now, here's a great story of Israel returning property they stole 13 years ago. It ain't all bad:

http://maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=770826

This took me a total of 60 seconds to locate these references.
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#29
(04-21-2016, 11:32 AM)Palladin Wrote: Jews have been stealing property from and persecuting Palestinian Arabs in EJ& the WB for decades.  That needs documenting like the holocaust needs it.

What is interesting is that ALL of your complaints have been centered on the "Absentee Property Laws" which have been around since Israel was founded in 1948.  The original intent was to get Palestinians to come back into the country and reclaim their property that was in the middle of the war zones.   Productive properties are properties that pay taxes and upkeep for that property.  Countries all over the world use this principle of land ownership and legality.  

This is one way Arabs in other countries managed to keep Palestinians in limbo for decades and use them as propaganda against Israel.  By being able to manage the Palestinian refugee camps, and control information entering it, they were able to heavily influence the refugee Palestinian's thinking.  

Israel did use this law as its end of the propaganda war between itself and its enemies, which was to counter the Arabs and gain better control over their land.  And as usual, it was the Palestinians who were the victims from both sides.  But the biggest offenders were the very Muslims who continued to use them for their own purposes.  After all, they were the perfect tool for channeling hatred back the other way.  

Were you aware of this before?  And do you believe that Arab countries were capable/willing to do just that?

Over time, this law has been used for practical reasons, and because it is administered by humans, it has been used immorally by selfish individuals.  Nothing is perfect, and I realize that in your universe, anything that is not perfect is "disgusting".  

If you will note in a few of those articles you quickly gathered without reading, they state that the courts are fairly diligent about weeding out lawbreakers, and ensuring that innocent Palestinians can reclaim their property.  Further, this includes children/grandchildren of original Palestinians who fled the area and never returned, as in the hotel story.  

But remember, there is more here than just a bunch of "disgusting" Joos, intent on confiscating land that is legally someone else's.  And too, some of this property originally belonged to Jews, which were confiscated much earlier, and then handed down to Palestinians well before the creation of Israel.  In other words, the entire area is one big bloomin' mess.  Personally, I would not even want to have to make heads or tails out of all this.  

And you should take any article from Haartz that reports on this subject, with more than a grain of salt.  Haartz is a Socialist publication, and like Collectivists in this country, they are almost exclusively pro-Arab and anti-Jewish.   After all, Socialism and Islam are two peas of the same pod: both believe in authoritarian statism.  And for some G-d forsaken reason, there is a high percentage of Jews, who go along with all this horseshit.  AND almost all of them are self-loathing Ashkenazi.   Go figure.  

Further, on issues where the Palestinians have had laws on their side, have not the courts been more than lenient?  I wonder if this happens in Muslim countries as well?

Further, other than the Absentee Property Laws, which are the 'so called' sexy issues, what else are those "disgusting" Joos doing that makes them reprehensible?  Are they beating innocent civilians without cause, raping Muslim women, lighting Pals on fire, or any number of things their Arab neighbors have been proudly doing for decades already?  


Are the Israeli without sin?  Certainly not.  Am I excusing those acts and sweeping them under the rug?   Certainly not.  But am I an absolutist as you are?  Again, certainly not.  Both sides have committed bad acts against the other.  HOWEVER, if frequency and degree are weighed evenly, the overwhelming abundance of crimes, atrocities, transgressions, or other immoral actions, have been used Against Jews.  And this has been ongoing for a couple of thousand years now.  

Are Jews a bit paranoid over all this?  Does a wild bear shit in the woods?  And would you be paranoid in their place?   And does your absolutism, which appears to be always one way, make you a bit paranoid as well?  What do you think?
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#30
(04-20-2016, 12:30 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...explain here how my sense of justice towards the East Jerusalem Arab victims of Israeli tyranny and thievery  relates to wahabbi Islam?
Specifically, I pointed out that it is wahhabi schools who teach that Israel doesn't exist, and all their maps don't even have it on them. Like you, I guess, they think all that Israeli land doesn't belong to them, but to the intruders to their land who were driven out of the neighboring Arab states. The Israelis did the humane thing, let them in and have tried to provide for them - even when gifts of manufacturing facilities or greenhouses are vandalized or left to rot when given to them to make something for their own upkeep. The government in exile in Algiers talks about victimology, but remember, while the people in immigration camps are penniless and don't even try to help themselves, their leaders have become multi-millionaires siphoning off the charitable gifts meant for the people.
Yasser Arafat's wife had how many thousand pairs of shoes, living in Paris?
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#31
Bill, he was taking exception, and rightly so, that you said he was "educated in a Wahhabi school", which is almost certainly false.  

I don't believe there are any such things in the hills of Tennessee, to the best of my personal experience.   S13
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#32
I was chastising with metaphor. The idea he posted is something you would expect from people who were taught inaccuracies about Israel in their youth and accept them without reservation.
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#33
Israel has been literaly stealing palestinian arab properties to build the fence and to level the ground in front of it. Hundreds of housed have been destroyed and hundreds of acres of olive trees have been cut. How this was legal is up to professional lawyers.
However, settlements, dwelled by orthodox jews have been bought from Palestinians as in any normal real estate transaction.
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#34
Paul Joseph Watson is extremely unhappy with the Saudis.  He's actually quite right about all this.  But I have more of a bone to pick with an even bigger villain: Islam first, and Arabs second.  I'm talking in a general sense, and not an individual one, but clearly the combination of both are a very Bad mixture, like mixing oxygen and hydrogen on the launch pad.  Spiteful

But clearly, take away Islam from the equation, and at least half of all problems will somehow magically disappear.  



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#35
William,

All Islam says modern Israel is a religious anathema, so the wahabbi version is not unique. I do not share Islam's views on that and I have never even intimated I do, so this is an example where you have arrived at a conclusion that is unwarranted.

I do not oppose or support Jews or Arabs ( or Egyptians or Frenchmen) ruling Palestine and each have as much right to as the other. Kind of like which tribe do I want to rule northeastern Burma, I don't care.

Who does rule is a matter of who can kill more faster and that is not always going to be Jews history tells us,so parking themselves in the midst of 300 million Muslims after the holocaust was a questionable move. It wasn't Palestinians who perped the holocaust after all.


Sort of like me and 10 other hillbillies deciding we will make our home in Harlem.

What animates me in this Israel discussion is I want Jews and Christians to act like the Jews and Christians' GOD desires us to. Pushing around a weaker neighbor doesn't work there. It was wrong for Hitler, it was wrong for us to mistreat our black folks and it is wrong for Jews to fuck Arabs. I also dislike immensely helping pay for them to mistreat people.

It is very simple. God hates for us to harm weaker folks. Islam does not interpret God this way. They see God as raw power, we see God as power driven by intrinsic virtue.

I am very irate at Jews or Christians acting like the damn devil. Gives us all a bad name, so I rail on stupidass, Caesar worshipping American fundy Christians as well as arrogant Israeli Jews who think they can act like hell and God doesn't care.



John,

Specific to "are Jews a little paranoid", maybe. Their role in EJ and the WB has nothing to do with security though.

I actually support Israel placing the wall between the WB and Israel. Beyond that, what they are doing is just developing more property for Jews by stealing it from Palestinian Arabs outside of Israel. Longer they act bad, more likely it is the entire globe loses their past "give Israelis a break cause of the holocaust".

If the Arabs were doing this to weaker Jews, we all would be howling. Who disagrees with that?
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(04-22-2016, 09:09 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...Who does rule is a matter of who can kill more faster and that is not always going to be Jews history tells us,so parking themselves in the midst of 300 million Muslims after the holocaust was a questionable move. It wasn't Palestinians who perped the holocaust after all.

In a way it most definitely was. The Arabs sided with Hitler and the Nazis. Read your history. All of them claiming land in today's Israel left their claimed land and moved mostly to Jordan in hopes of Hitler winning, and with his hatred of Jews that mirrored the Arab thirst for genocide, would gift them with the land they wanted without needing to prove their claims. They lost, but refused to admit their stupidity. They pretended they never left the lands behind. Jordan didn't want them and kicked them out. These "displaced" millions ended up in the desert with no way of surviving. Israel took them on as charity and have kept them alive despite their bogus claims to land, and without any effort to help in their own survival.

Every time Israel bent over backwards to allow them the opportunity to fend for themselves, they were the ones that violated all agreements and promises. All the land offered to them were given with promises necessary to earn them. When these promises were broken, it was the Israelis who allowed them to stay in spite of them reneging on their promises. If you speak about moral authority upon who was good and who was "disgusting" - it has always been one-sided.
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#37
William,

No Arabs took part in the holocaust. Millions of non German ethnic Europeans did. From Holland to the Ukraine.

Israel today should have been taken from the best regions of Germany guaranteed by both the allied powers and the UN, not Palestine which had nothing to do with WWII.

Israelis know what they did William and it is worth it to them, they bought 15% of Palestine fair and square and took the rest by force. Nation building is always nasty business, give me a break with the "Israel has tried so hard to be kind to these Palestinian Arabs".

Most Palestinian Arabs in the "areas" EX Gaza are prepared to live with Israel, but, as I documented in a chart on violence, they are NOT leaving Palestine itself and violence has upticked since 1967. Israel needs to leave EJ and the WB alone, it is not Israel.

The Golan, IMO, it is reasonable for Israel to confiscate that, that is a serious security piece of geography. Just do it, be honest, don't keep doing what they are in the other 2 areas. Everyone except Americans knows they are trying to push the Arabs out. We're figuring it out slowly.
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(04-23-2016, 07:54 AM)Palladin Wrote: ...Israel today should have been taken from the best regions of Germany guaranteed by both the allied powers and the UN, not Palestine which had nothing to do with WWII....

That would be pure nation-building. Germany, of all places on Earth, is fully populated without any empty frontiers where millions of immigrants could fit in easily to split off as their own nation.

...as I stated previously - the population which had any claim on lands in or around Palestine vacated and voted with their feet. They supported Hitler and all he did - especially in respect with Jews. They threw in with the Nazis in order to gain control of land which they abandoned - or never had any claim to. History is quite plain. It was the neighboring Arab States who caused them to be exiles, because they threw them out, with no place to go. Why go to Palestine where they had no claim? Why not to Tennessee or Georgia? It would have made as much sense.
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#39
William,

Lots of southerners were Hitler fans. I had a photo of the Alabama's "Million dollar band" in swastika formation 1941 at Legion Field. There's a reason FDR could not allow that "voyage of the damned" ship to land here amigo.
Down here, we did not only lynch blacks, we lynched Jews and Catholics, too. Southern culture was a really serious fucked up culture back then if you were not white, Baptist or Methodist Christian.

Anyway, those Arabs that left Palestine might have needed to do that so the Jews did not massacre them. Just saying, there were some massacres in the war for independence on the local population. The Arabs that were allowed to remain were not in the war zone or they'd be gone, too.

They had to flee from the crusaders, too, or be murdered. I guess they just wanted to up and leave like these modern Palestinian Arabs?


No human just decides to up and leave their ancestral home for no good logic. Jews didn't just leave Germany for fun either.

Why Germany? Cause they are the perps of the holocaust maybe? Tennesseee ,Alabama and Palestinian Arabs did not do that.
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#40
Wishful thinking, The Arabs were not forced out. They migrated to Jordan and whatever Arab neighboring state would let them in, in order to prove their bonafides to the Nazis. There was no fear of being casualties of war. Their only measurable concern was that their backing of Hitler would allow them to be rewarded for their loyalty.

As for the South, the depravity there was centered around the Democrat party. All those "Yankee White boys" who came down to stand in solidarity with Blacks, both from the North as well as from the South were hanged from trees right next to Blacks, by the KKK. Y'know, the militant wing of the Democrat party. Martin Luther King, Jr. was not alone with his marches. One of the greatest assets of the Civil Rights Marchers were the Whites who marched arm in arm with MLK. Note, also, that very few of those were Socialists like Bernie Sanders. Most of those were in the KKK. My father's and Mother's families have roots in the South, and I can tell you that racism was not part of their makeup. The Democrat KKK murdered around 4,500 black men and killed over 1200 white Republicans standing up for black voting rights.

History.com Wrote:Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s.

The 4 million Klan was wiped out by 1913 - but Democrat Woodrow Wilson engineered their comeback. Today they are estimated at about 8,000.

I wouldn't be amazed to find out there are some stupid GOP in that number, because the Democrats' main strategy is to designate the GOP as anti-Black, which would make the anti-Black Klansmen identify with the wrong party.
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