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Islam - see them for what they are
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(05-10-2016, 12:33 PM)Palladin Wrote: We really didn't create jobs down here until the mid 1970s. I had to leave to get a job myself at 18.

 Since then, Atlanta, Birmingham, Charlotte and Nashville all have become job producing engines.

 Air conditioning, plus the dimunition of racism, enhancing of educational levels all conspired to draw investment down here. I wish southerners were not so hostile to unions though.

Since you work at ORNL, you are part of the Department of Energy.  And government jobs are union jobs.  That is not the problem though. The problem is that ALL government union jobs are "CLOSED SHOP".  In other words, you MUST be a member of the union to work there.  How about that for Individual Liberty?  Forget the old days where union leaders would just call for troublemakers to have their arm, or leg, broken.  Or if they persisted, they just may wind up floating under the dock.  But now there is Big Government, which enforced all that despotism for the dictatorial union leadership, even when they work in a Right To Work State, which is predominately in the South.  

Yeah, those G-d Damn Southerners.  Who gives a Shit about Individual Liberty, right?  Individualism and Union Shops are ideologically the complete opposite of each other.  

Now, an Open Shop is different.  It takes away much of the power from the REAL reason why Unions are so hated: their leadership structure.  You obviously have a visionary problem, because you have an aversion to comparing the Union leadership system to the values you hold dear on all other things.  That's why you selectively don't get it.


Quote:As far as the "failed economies" of Arabia, it's hard to create wealth when foreign nations explode your nation. Syria and Iraq could have done OK w/o western meddling. They weren't fleeing to Europe until then and I have yet to ever read of a mass Arab migration before right now, have you ever read of one?

The real problem, which you continually fail to grasp, is "Culture", and "traditions".  The English have an Anglo-Saxon tradition, where even the lowly citizen can participate in the system, get up and speak before one and all, and not be tortured for doing such.   They also have a Magna Carta, which may have initially been for the nobles, but because of culture and traditions, it was passed down to everyone.  

The Arab countries failed to maintain their dominance because of the "Culture".  THAT'S what makes things different.  Same thing with all those poor, innocent, all caring, AmeriIndians, who were rolled over by the Westerners, coming out of the East.  Forget the very fact that the different tribes were far more blood thirsty, and murderous than anything the "disgusting" American could do to them.  The problem with all this is because it is so easy to view results, and not have to look deeply for the Root Causes.  

Arab culture was almost completely unable to stand up to Western Culture, because it was rigid, inflexible, and top down in everything.  Western Culture was far more flexible, especially British culture.  Arab's lack of wealth is its lack of advanced culture.  Without a flexible one, they were naturally exposed to a superior one.   Can't you even gain a hint of this, or do you even want to?

There is a favorite phrase in the military.  Its called "Flexible Response", and it is the key to victory.  The Arabs' culture does not allow for this in practically any way, shape, or form.  If the leadership is corrupt, then so is the entire body.  In our military, if the leadership is killed, or captured, someone is able to immediately step in and lead in a flexible manner, from minute one.  Even lowly enlisted men have stepped forward and led units when the leadership were killed off, or contact lost with then.  That's "Flexible Response", and a predominately Western trait.  

AGAIN, go study Victor Davis Hanson's famous work, "Carnage and Culture".  I have an "e"copy of it, and if you want, I can email it to you.  Its a classic.
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London 2016
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London Bus add in arab Wrote:Glory to Allah

The cynicism, not to say the cruelty of this, is that this is a campaing in support for the Syrian refugees. British's black humor mixed with islamic sarcasm?
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#43
John,

You don't know what you're talking about. Very few "closed shop states" still exist and none ever existed in the south. I didn't even belong to my union for a few years myself.

Ohio is no longer a closed shop and I think Michigan left it, too.

You believe some really stupid shit that has no basis in reality. How about studying a subject first?

No southerner has ever had to be a member of a union and fewer states are now than were in 2010.
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#44
Are you telling me that ORNL is not a Closed Shop, because it is part of the Federal Government?

And have you ever heard of any business getting a government contract, where it can choose not to be unionized?  And even in the South?   Have you?

And if so, please show proof of this through at least one link, ok? S22
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#45
I am telling you , you don't know anything about the subject. No, ORNL is not and cannot be a closed shop since it is in Tennessee. I myself did not belong to the union originally.

Your "government contract" statement has nothing to do with the closed or open shop concept, of course if they bid on a contract at a union shop they have to deal with the union, if there is no union, they do not have to deal with a union.
Here's a new contract at ORNL for rad monitoring services that is non union because Health Physics personnel at ORNL&K-25 voted against having a union:

http://www.amrad.com/news-1/ars-internat...n-contract

The outfit I work for is UCOR and they are contractors for union and non union workers at K-25 and X 10, it's according to whether or not the workers want a union in specific areas of labor.


Bottom line , it is illegal in this state to have a closed shop and if there had been no union I'd be making ~$30-35 K annually which is what the average East Tennessean makes that doesn't work at a union shop or don't have degrees. I can't see why that would be better for my family.
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(05-11-2016, 12:30 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...Bottom line , it is illegal in this state to have a closed shop and if there had been no union I'd be making ~$30-35 K annually which is what the average East Tennessean makes that doesn't work at a union shop or don't have degrees. I can't see why that would be better for my family.

Correct, to a degree.

In Vegas, the same thing happens. A single company, say an electrical contractor is one of over a hundred similar ones, and may specialize in one area or another, and get paid for superior knowledge and ability. I had a database of all the subs available, with their licensing, scope, monetary limits, history, and much more. If on-strip the same company would provide union work, and off-strip, they could be non-union. Same people - different price structure because of the unions. To ensure the higher pay, the Unions would put goons on a union site to make sure non-badged workers weren't present.

Electrical contractors are one of the only subs that I would look for union accreditation, because electrical must be done right or people can get killed. I know the electrician's union schools teach the right stuff. A handyman electrician wouldn't know the state or local codes well enough to insulate my company from liability. A dry-waller isn't as necessary to have the same base of knowledge. Their foremen have enough knowledge to ensure good work.

Except for that, there is no legitimate reason to force unionized subs on a GC. The idea that unions force bad people to pay for honest work doesn't come into play. If that is the only benefit Unions claim, then they needn't bid.
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#47
The construction industry is outside my life experience.

Mine are all with factory level unions and jobs. In these cases, the union is generally responsible to the company as well as helpful to the union member. Of course the union wants the company to deal honestly based on the contracts.

In Chattanooga, VW built a huge production plant and they want a union( VW does). The people voted a close NO recently and the company is asking the US NLRB to allow a re-vote.

German capitalists do not see unions like Americans do and they've done a pretty good job of maintaining a high quality standard of living, too.
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(05-11-2016, 08:12 PM)Palladin Wrote: German capitalists do not see unions like Americans do and they've done a pretty good job of maintaining a high quality standard of living, too.

Its the difference between Collectivism and Individualism.  That's the underlying root, pure and simple.  As a union member, you are part of the Collective, make pretty much the same thing as your fellow workers, with no real incentive to rise above the others.  Its not strictly that, but generally so.  Basically you get a raise when everyone else does, regardless how hard, or relaxed your work ethic.  

I'm an Individualist.  I believe in Liberty, and making my own way without having to rely on others running things for me.  That's where union leadership comes in.  And its the main reason why unions are treated with suspicion.  They tend to be corrupt and like the elites in DC, look down their noses at the lowly peons who are supporting their generally lavish lifestyle.  

Krauts just love rules, and regulations.  They have rules for practically everything, with the possible exception of which hand to use when taking a piss on the side of the road.  And they do that very often, or at least did in the 60s.  That's why they love unions, because they feel secure within their box.   I lived in Germany for almost two years, and I can vouch for this, having several German-American friends.  If you like rule and regulations, then Krautland is THE place for you to settle into.

And now that the AFL-CIO has finally been conquered by the Socialists, Sweeney, Trumpka, and their minions, it will all be totally collectivised, if it isn't already.

Why do you think the very FIRST thing Communists and militant Socialists go after first are the labor unions? Its the perfect place for organizing the Collective, before marching out and conquering the rest of the economy.
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#49
As a citizen, you are a member of a collective, too.

As a Christian, the bible teaches we all belong to each other in Christ. If I am outside the lines of Godly conduct, the bible teaches that has a negative effect on the rest of the body.

I don't see forming a collective effort to improve my life as an "disgusting" thing nor does it diminish my personal freedom in a right to work state. I have the right not to belong to it and if I have balls, I can also not strike if the union votes to strike if I feel I must do so.

Is it wrong to form a collective effort to improve life? Neighborhood watches, collective effort.

The degree of collectivism is the problem and unions help keep a large % of people satisfied enough to avoid the revolutionary desire of socialism or communism, that's exactly what Barry Goldwater stated in his book, "The Conscience of a Conservative". Pro union conservative who loved the constitution.

The wealthiest people on earth, they don't need or deserve our protection from reasonable work and pay conditions for workers.
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#50
In case you missed my additions from the last post:

Krauts just love rules, and regulations.  They have rules for practically everything, with the possible exception of which hand to use when taking a piss on the side of the road.  And they do that very often, or at least did in the 60s.  That's why they love unions, because they feel secure within their box.   I lived in Germany for almost two years, and I can vouch for this, having several German-American friends.  If you like rule and regulations, then Krautland is THE place for you to settle into.

And now that the AFL-CIO has finally been conquered by the Socialists, Sweeney, Trumpka, and their minions, it will all be totally collectivised, if it isn't already.  

Why do you think the very FIRST thing Communists and militant Socialists go after first are the labor unions?  Its the perfect place for organizing the Collective, before marching out and conquering the rest of the economy.

Oh, and in response to your last post, as long as unions remain local and not large, they have pretty much what you seem to idolize. But when they go national and become a huge bureaucracy, they are every bit as bad as Big Government in DC.

And as for Christ, the important thing is my "Individual" relationship with him, not the 'so called' Collective. Plus, I join a th group/church because I know I can leave them any time, and not lose my relationship with him. That is not allowed in any Collective. You should know that.

Again, keep unions local, and not national, and they can have more good than bad. Let them go national, and that changes things.
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#51
John,

We all have a personal deal with Christ, but, we also are part of the body of Christ and Paul says we "belong to each other", "consider the interests of each other as much as your own interests", etc.

Not different from our earthly family, we all can positively or negatively effect each other by our activities. That's an inescapable reality.

I'm all for local control on unions myself, I have no use for the AFL - CIO organization.
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(05-12-2016, 01:14 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...we all can positively or negatively effect each other by our activities. That's an inescapable reality.

There are two sides to this: Hillary says, "It takes a village." But her intent in saying that is to rationalize the nanny state, where government is the village, and each individual must be held back and held down to allow that over-arching elitist hegemony to rule over others. On the same side is Obama's statement: "You didn't build that!" Again, knocking back the individual and stripping away any achievement brought about outside of the nanny state.

There are glorious words that this attitude can present, like John Donne's eloquent:
John Donne Wrote:No man is an island,
Entire of itself,
Every man is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thy friend's
Or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me,
Because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee.

On the other side, is the understanding that the individual combining with other individuals with complimentary goals can create greater success than alone. That is the synergy concept: the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This concept encourages the best and the brightest to rise to their potential, each incremental gain helping the whole. With this, each can compete within the whole: those who excel earning more than those who don't, encouraging greater effort - but still helping all.
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#53
Okay, we've been warned. The Jihadi's killing everyone ask their victims to quote the Koran. They kill anyone who can't..

We need someone to supply us with whatever might get us through such ultimatums. It could happen anywhere... so what should we say or do?
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(07-02-2016, 07:40 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Okay, we've been warned. The Jihadi's killing everyone ask their victims to quote the Koran. They kill anyone who can't..

We need someone to supply us with whatever might get us through such ultimatums. It could happen anywhere... so what should we say or do?

How about a handgun instead?  

As a Christian, I do not fear death.  If some G-dless heathen is going to kill me, I will not lower myself to play their distorted game.   I'm serious.  And the older I get, the less it bothers me.  

Also, I'm done with all of my world traveling.  I think I will stick around here and enjoy the beauty of where I currently live.  East Tennessee, and Western NC are heaven on earth in beauty. I can also carry a handgun for my protection as well.  S22

The more Christians they murder, the more they are dooming that autocratic excuse for a religion.
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#55
Good answer - but there are many people who don't have guns who should. I want them to beat the Jahadis at their own game, in the same way that i want the victims saved by someone with a gun. Say there are 20 people being held hostage, and they get taken hostage. There may be someone with a gun, but he/she may need to wait until attention shifts off him/her. How can we hold off the perps until he can get off a shot.
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CROISADES VS DJIHAD : QUELQUES VÉRITÉS BONNES À CONNAÎTRE.


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(07-03-2016, 11:13 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: CROISADES VS DJIHAD : QUELQUES VÉRITÉS BONNES À CONNAÎTRE.



Fred, if you and everyone else would, kindly post the exact title of the video, right over the video itself.  If you will note, I have started doing that for several weeks now.  I'm doing that because so many times the video is moved or shut down.  If we know the real title, we can do a quick search and replace the old video with the new one.   Then everyone can still enjoy it. S5

I corrected this post as you can see.  Now, if it shuts down, all I have to do is find a Youtube video entitled CROISADES VS DJIHAD : QUELQUES VÉRITÉS BONNES À CONNAÎTRE.  Neat, huh?  S22
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(07-03-2016, 11:23 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: [Image: 35D170F700000578-3667545-image-a-19_1467289456863.jpg]

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I saw that yesterday, but didn't post it.  I'm glad you did.  

This is exactly the reason why those "disgusting" EVIL Joos go after the families of the murderers, and tear up their houses.  They have to send a message and not just wring their hands and wait for the next murder.  

Furthermore, who do you think put all this jihadi BS in those young minds, filled with hate, in the first place?  His parents are obviously just as guilty as the actual killer.  

Tell you what, the US military used to do this, and I'll bet you they still do.  When I was growing up, Everything and anything a dependent, including wife, son, daughter, or any other dependent, did that was against regulations was put on the head of household's efficiency report.  It put a screeching halt to any further promotion or good assignment.  Also, if this happened more than once, they would be punished, and even lose their rank.  That's right, the US military did the exact same  thing in principle that those heartless Joos are doing right now.

My parents were constantly pounding that into my head, since the day I was able to know right from wrong.  At least once a week, and by G-d it really stuck with me.  I would never have done something that was illegal and would cost my parents as a result.  Because as the old saying goes "Shit rolls down hill".  My life would have been a living hell.
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John, ok, I'll take notice. I think there should be a title to this video in english...
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