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Turkey's Move to Islamic Autocracy
The Kurds always seem to end up losing out historically, they just can't seem to be important enough in a strategic way to the major players long term.
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Ahh, but they are rich Kurds. They are sitting on Huge oil reserves under them hills. Their only vulnerability is getting it to the ocean for transport. I'll bet you they are taking their newly found wealth and investing it on modern military equipment and training. If the Iraqis try to invade them, they will be in for a real surprise. Hell, they're Buggerin Arabs. Same thing with the Syrians.

Their biggest threat will be Turkey. But remember, around 20 million Turkish citizens living in Anatolia(Turkey east of the Phosphorus) are Kurds. Even though Turkey has a population of just under 80 million, over half of them live in western Turkey and Istanbul. So they are pretty much in parity with Anatolian Turks. The Kurds can cause a lot of trouble if Turkey goes to war with Kurdistan.
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I would not be too optimistic about the Kurds.

I'm saying this despite actually being sympathetic to them and despite looking at their efforts: they do have a better fighting force than some around. As one example, comparing the operations to free Ramadi and Manbij, both against ISIS, the Kurds did the job much faster with considerably fewer losses than the Iraqi army.

But this will not help them.

Firstly, they are not rich. It is the Iraqi Kurds who are rich (potentially!) but the Iraqi Kurds are so close to the Turks now. Don't be too sure about them aligning with the Turkish or Syrian Kurds against the Turks. (briefly, Kurds are NOT one people).

Secondly, fighting requires supply lines. The reason why the US invasion of Vietnam fails was the Cambodian border (ho shi minh trail). Likewise with USSR and Afghanistan.
I do not see supply lines for the Kurds. They were not doing all that well against ISIS initially (no supplies except for antiques and whatever was inherited from SAA bases), much better when the Russians started dropping them supplies and ammo, but this will end.

And thirdly, Kurds are sometimes very stupid. Their primary enemy is really Turkey. Relations with the Iraqi will always be hostile because of the oil. But Kurdish sites are talking about fighting Iran now, and Syrian Kurds -- despite being overall Assad's allies -- still once in a while fight Assad. For insignificant local reasons. Picking up fights with the two powers least hostile to the Kurds is stupid.
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It would be very stupid for either the West or Russia to stop supporting the Kurds because everybody is pissed about just any of other states surrounding the Kurdish areas.
Soon we are going to be pretty much pissed at Turkey, if not in open diplomatic conflict. The Kurds are the only ones who can be used as a leverage against either Turkey, Iran, Syria or Iraq.
If you get the Kurds in your pocket, then you can make four major M-E states dance to your tune.
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And speaking of the Kurds in Turkey................

Erdogan Crackdown Has Turkey on Edge as Kurd Leaders Jailed

And since the "disgusting" Joos seem to be out of the picture, Erdogan is pointing the finger of blame at the West. I guess the Armenians aren't worth the effort any longer. S13

Erdogan blasts West as Turkey's Kurdish party boycotts parliament
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Erdogan knows that all the purds and all the pro-kurd organisations are together. A pro kurd party in Turkey is obviousely helping the PKK. About this, he's right.

Where he is wrong, it's about his method: arresting, araigning and jailing opponents instead of negociation.
Erdogan is creating his own opposition. And the kurds won't be the only ones to hate him.
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Erdogan is now officially on the way to becoming the next Turkish Caliph, being handed expanded powers by a tiny majority of its citizens.

Erdogan’s Referendum Victory Puts Turkey on Collision Course With Europe

The EU will definitely not be happy. Spiteful
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Isn't Turkey still a member of NATO? That should make things extra-interesting.
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What he has succeeded in doing is showing how useless voting is in determining what type of society you live in. Turks will still vote for their leaders, this referendum just makes it where the guy in office can do what you guys wish Trump could do and he will always do what Erdogan wanted.

The next leader will be an Erdogan appointment, so he gets to continue these policies w/o changing directions, but, Turks will vote just like we will and everything will just keep on keeping on like it always does.

Voting is a sort of a palliative to us anymore, all these pols have figured out ways to make us think it's a "thing" and it changes nothing. The 2010 tea party congress ought to have taught us this if Trump changing so fast and if Turkey's latest moves don't.

It's good Woodrow Wilson fought the war to end all wars to save democracy!
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International monitors are not happy with the way the election was handled.

REPORT: International monitors deliver scathing verdict on Turkish referendum
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Like bicycle says, it's who counts the votes that matters, not who or how you vote.

Good article here on how rapidly Trump has "seen the light" of the mainstream US governance.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc...se/523047/
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This could cause the eventual breakup up of Turkey; western Turkey is very European while eastern Turkey is a RagHead haven.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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After his triumph at the referendum, Sultan Erdogan presents his new governement:

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(04-17-2017, 06:02 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: This could cause the eventual breakup up of Turkey; western Turkey is very European while eastern Turkey is a RagHead haven.

I can see some other repercussions from this as well.  Eventually Syria is going to be divided up into one of several different Islamic fiefdoms.  But one of them will almost certainly be the Alewite State, where the Assads will manage to hold in the new order.  However, there is a substantial Alawite population situated in a small panhandle belonging to Turkey, which will almost certainly want to join their brethren to the south.  

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If Turkey tries to use an iron fist to prevent this, and a slaughter starts, this will almost certainly being in Russia.  Russia and the Alawites are long term allies, and Russia has its only two Mediterranean naval ports there, so they will never allow Turkey to run roughshod in any showdown with the Alawite State.  There could be an awful lot of fireworks involved, and NATO could be involved if Turkey is still a member of that organization.

Which brings up another repercussion: NATO.  The Euros are not going to sit by idly and go along with a fellow NATO member act the way Erdogan is most likely going to perform for the world stage.  If Trump really did congratulate Erdogan, he may have to make a real choice soon about who he favors morst: Turkey, or Europe.
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I think Trump has an affinity for strongmen and I think many of his voters do as well.

I don't mean you, but, I saw a survey during the campaign and the single strongest indicator for a Trump voter was if they had authoritarian instincts on a psychological exam. 100% were pro Trump.

These voters don't give a sh.it about law or constitutions just like Trump doesn't, they want results and they want them right now and they don't realize how awful that can be if they empower 1 man to do their bidding. Neither do Turks but, they're fixing to find out.
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On the contrary - most Trump voters are NOT about the strongman. If so, why didn't they all jump on the Clinton Crime Family bandwagon and go for the Godfather nominee? The head of a crime family is surrounded by strongmen.

BTW, most polls during the campaign were crafted with proposed results in mind. And almost all of them were proved completely wrong. The idea that Trump doesn't care about law and the Constitution is just silly. On the other hand, it was the Clinton Crime family and the Democrats who ignored laws and the Constitution - so what do you think that "psychological exam" was all about?
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The results of the survey say otherwise William. I wish I had posted it. I will try and find it.

It was simple, if you demonstrated a personal desire for authoritarian views, Trump got your vote. All other issues were always secondary.

Trump has already demonstrated this streak with his silly attack on Syria's government w/o imagining he needed to ask for permission to start a new war effort and it is to the discredit of 100% of our elected legislature that not 1 has started a movement to tell the POTUS if it happens again, he will be impeached.

Not 1 soldier refused orders either, which is also disappointing to me. Their oaths just mean nothing at all if they ever did. Trump is a bully and too many Americans like that aspect of him.

EDIT: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2...ian-213533

EDIT#2: https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...151a949122

Trump definitely congratulated his fellow autocrat on his recent referendum victory.
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It is a sad day in Turkey, but, in a sense the Americans are down this path in war making. Our POTUS can make war on who he wants to a large extent and that's pretty bad as well, IMO.
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