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Nigel Farage, UKIP and EU Membership
Even if... Needless to ask if they don't.

Joe Owen, Brexit program director Wrote:Even if they can assemble a majority for something, they may find few opportunities to make their move – and time is running out

Link: A change in leadership over the summer has done nothing

Boris Johnson Wrote:parliament is undermining my negotiations, causing the EU to wait and see if efforts to block a no-deal exit are successful.
S2 Of course! What else the EU could do?
Indeed: Having to chose between a marxist and a no-deal Brexit is not an easy position.
reuters Wrote:who could lead a government long enough to delay Brexit. (?)
Oliver Letwin, a Conservatives Wrote:an interim Corbyn-led government could do more damage than a disorderly exit from the world’s biggest trading bloc.
there’s probably a majority of MPs (Members of Parliament) who don’t want to have a no-deal exit but the issue is can we get all of those MPs on some alternative proposition?

I’m not terribly optimistic about all this

Trum wants to speed UK-US trade deal negociations. He ambitiousely aims at novermebr 31, one month after Brexit date of october 31.
IMO he has not yet understood the exact nature of the British political environment. But the goal of the Brexit becomes more and more visible.
reuters Wrote:The EU wants to ensure that its only land border with the United Kingdom after Brexit does not become a back door for goods to enter the EU’s single market

Huh?!  S11 So why make a Brexit then? S13 
That's why Johnson wants to remove the Backstop from the agreement so bad.
Trump, always hunting for great bargains could buy Great Britain instead of Goenland (for the same price).

Trump Wrote:Great discussion with Prime Minister @BorisJohnson today. We talked about Brexit and how we can move rapidly on a US-UK free trade deal. I look forward to meeting with Boris this weekend, at the @G7, in France!”

Vassalisation. Nice. I like it. 
Macron Wrote:Any trade deal London cut with Washington would not mitigate the cost of crashing out of the bloc. 

Can (the cost of a hard Brexit) be offset by the United States of America? No. And even if it were a strategic choice, it would be at the cost of an historic vassalisation of Britain
Reiterating... because Johnson doesn't seem to get it.
Macron Wrote:the demands made by Johnson for a renegotiation of the divorce deal, including the removal of the Irish backstop, were not workable as they currently stood.

Boris Johnson Wrote:If we approach this with sufficient patience and optimism, we can get this done. It’s in the final furlong generally when the horses change places and the winning deal appears.
S2 Yes: Let's wait for the last three days before the deadline.

Trump Wrote:They (the EU) have not treated the UK very well

no new Brexit deal
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This is brilliant. Also, a temporary dip in house prices would not hurt. 63 days left.
Thanks for bringing this up for me again.  My English History professor, Dr, Charles Martin, taught this "House of Stuart" history lesson, and the tradition that continues.   The history of England is most interesting, and is one huge Soap Opera covered in blood and gore.   Its a wonder that the US managed to eliminate the overwhelming majority of this, as the country progressed.  Of course Amer-indians, indigenous population, will dispute this.

Dr. Martin, very much a quintessential Anglo-Saxon, was one of my two favorite professors.  He was a boisterous fellow, who was rotund, and did things with gusto.  Everything was full tilt.  The good professor and I constantly fenced with each other, me being of Irish descent.  With a sir name of Kelly, I was at the top of the list for him to bringing up "Those Damned Irish".  S5
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
When you have nothing else to do but you think the British parliamentary monarchy since the 17th C was not a good idea after all...
Johnson to suspend parliament before Brexit

Boris Johnson Wrote:There will be ample time   Beach in parliament for MPs (members of parliament) to debate the EU
Trump Wrote:Boris is exactly what the U.K. has been looking for, & will prove to be ‘a great one!’  S25 Love U.K.”

reuters Wrote:. Returning again on Oct. 14 would leave just over two weeks until Britain is due to quit the EU
.... Aww
Sterling fell sharply
I don't understand how early elections can force the government to pass a no-deal Brexit.
Logically holding an election should also delay Brexit... or is it Britain?

reuters Wrote:A cross-party alliance defeated Boris Johnson in parliament on Tuesday in a bid to prevent him taking Britain out of the EU without a divorce agreement - prompting the prime minister to announce that he would immediately push for a snap election. 

Lawmakers voted by 328 to 301

those seeking to prevent a ‘no-deal’ Brexit say Johnson could time the poll to ensure that parliament cannot prevent an Oct. 31 departure - with or without a deal.

Almost half of the lawmakers (301) voted for the no-deal Brexit.
So it's still far from clear who will win.

Brexit was supposed to save money. well: It's not even there that...
reuters Wrote:British finance minister Sajid Javid will on Wednesday announce an extra 2 billion pounds ($2.5 billion) of funding for Brexit-related spending 
the new money would bring the total funding for Brexit preparedness to 8.3 billion pounds since the 2016 referendum decision to leave the EU.

reuters Wrote:....and money for exploring a British satellite navigation system,
Yes because after they cut all trade agreements with everyone, they won't even have access to GPS datas.

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reuters Wrote:An opposition bill which would force Johnson to ask the European Union for an extension to Britain’s departure to avoid an Oct. 31 exit without a transition deal was approved by parliament’s appointed upper chamber, the House of Lords, on Friday.

Queen Elizabeth is expected to sign it into law on Monday. 


 lawmakers, including moderate Conservatives expelled this week from their party for backing the bill, have lined up a legal team and are willing to go to court to enforce the legislation if necessary. 

Ken MacDonald, former UK director of public prosecutions Wrote:Johnson could face prison S11  if he refuses to delay Brexit in the face of court action.

BoJo adopting May's strategy: Put it to vote until they agree... repeat until you'r forced to resign. :arrow:

reuters Wrote:
BoJo Wrote:the only solution to the Brexit deadlock is a new election
Johnson failed to win enough support in a vote on Wednesday for an election. Another vote is scheduled for Monday.

It's not finished:

BoJo's own brother quits government, citing the national interest.

reuters Wrote:his own brother, Jo, resigned as a junior business minister and said he was stepping down as a lawmaker for their Conservative Party. 
The 47-year-old, who campaigned for Britain to remain a member of the European Union in the 2016 referendum

JoJo Wrote:In recent weeks I’ve been torn between family loyalty and the national interest — it’s an unresolvable tension & time for others to take on my roles

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It's funny, now we have two brothers: BoJo and JoJo. The first is pro-Brexit, the other is against. What a familly! S2
Huh? 5% of UKIP voters voted to remain in the EU,,,,

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England needs to become its own country again. The EU is not in the best interests of the individual.
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Their vote was totally unnecessary, regardless.  But also, they are abstaining because they really want to be done with the EU, so they are not participating. 

At least that's my thinking.

I've forgotten now, but when is the departure supposed to be permanent?
"Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it" - Jonathan Swift, 1710
JL Wrote:I've forgotten now, but when is the departure supposed to be permanent?

Nobody knows! Better ask when is the departure supposed to be postponed (again)? S2

Whatever, the kick the can date is october 31. A little bit less than a month. LOL.
But seriousely, there is a real possibility for a crash out Brexit. Negotiations are nowhere.

BoJo understood that he has to get a deal, else the parliament will force him to postpone Brexit.
He wants to convince himself (and others) that he can force a no-deal Brexit without the parliament. The problem is that it would be illegal.

So, he made a move to offer a compromise about the Irish Border (between North and South). The biggest problem with brexsit because either the close this border and the Irish will be divided again, or they keep this border open but thenm the UK must stick with EU rules (Theresa May's agreement) and can't make trade deals with countries such as China or the US.

many Brexiteers wants a deal but the EU don;t agree with a deal if it doesn't allow the Irish border to stay open. For the EU it's useless if the Irish border is closed.

BoJo made an offer to put Northern Ireland into a Special Zone where imports from other British Islands would be controled except for companies on a "safe" list. (You understand).

In reality this last p[roposal is too vague.

Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney Wrote:I do not fully understand how the British proposals might work.


My judgement is that Boris Johnson does want a deal and that the paper that was published yesterday was an effort to move us in the direction of a deal. But...if that is the final proposal, there will be no deal
Last minute Brexit Deal sealed. Handshakes and smiles between BoJo, Merkel and Macron.

As expected, 3/4th of the British parliament, from EU extremist Nicola Sturgeon to Niggel Farage, have already said that they will reject it. (Without reading it)

In fact this deal is not a deal.
The UK will stay in the EU custom union for transition period of 14 to 24 months (even this is not clear) during which the UK and the EU must agree... of a deal. S11

It means that for another year or two, nothing will change. UK will leave the EU formally but as long as they remain within the custom union, they are stuck with the EU as before Brexit.
During this period, there will be no tariff. But, what they don't tell, is that if there is no tariff, the UK can't make any trade deal with third countries like the US. Trump promised a free trade deal with the UK within 3 weeks after Brexit. He will wait.

At the end of this period, they will sign a free trade deal which they will have negotiated during the transition period. Here again, if there is a free trade deal, it's the more it changes, the more it stays the same.

The EU will never accept a free trade deal with the New Singapore as they call post-Brexit Britain, if the British make deals with others.
So at some point, there will be tariffs between the EU and UK or they will stay in the EU as a fact even if they left  in theory.
All these arrangement about Ireland is meaningless as long as the UK remains in the custom union. Goods are free to travel unimpeded anyway.

If UK decides to make deals with someone else (like Trump), then there will be tariffs between UK and the EU. And only then, the arrangement about Ireland will apply.

This arrangement, more than an agreement, means that there will be custom checks at the Northern Irish ports for all goods including from Britain.
If goods are coming from the UK but stays in Northern Ireland, there won't be any duty. If they are meant to go to Southern Ireland, then EU tariff on goods imported from UK  will apply if any. But their plan is that there won't be such tariffs.

If goods are coming from elsewhere, but stays in Northern Ireland, then UK tariffs will apply and if they move to go to EU Ireland, then EU tariff will apply.

The EU trusts the UK to collect the money for them.
Northern Ireland MPs are not happy.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 

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