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Nigel Farage, UKIP and EU Membership
Next step : follow Trump's advice, skip on paying the EU 50 billions agreed upon. Boris is already in favor of doing this.
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(06-09-2019, 11:38 PM)mv Wrote: Next step : follow Trump's advice, skip on paying the EU 50 billions agreed upon.  Boris is already in favor of doing this.

Follow up:

France chillingly warns UK will face consequences over failing to pay £39bn Brexit bill

What is this all about?  Why is Trump so pro-Brexit, even more than any Brit?

Simple. Despite all his bravado and twitting, Trump knows that the days of US as a global power are numbered. The best scenario is the creation of a North American cluster (which shall eventually become the New Mexican Empire, but this is not happening tomorrow).

The North American cluster will consist of the US and two protectorates, to the north and the south, it may include a few additional territories like Haiti, and a couple of remote protectorates, like KSA.

And -- if Brexit happens -- it may well include the UK (or parts of it), since UK cannot have its own cluster!  Not primary real estate, but something... 

And these 50 billions (euros?) will make the US acquisition more attractive. 

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This is from an earlier post by Michael(mv). The start of a new thread.

(06-10-2019, 12:02 PM)mv Wrote: France chillingly warns UK will face consequences over failing to pay £39bn Brexit bill

What is this all about?  Why is Trump so pro-Brexit, even more than any Brit?

Simple. Despite all his bravado and twitting, Trump knows that the days of US as a global power are numbered. The best scenario is the creation of a North American cluster (which shall eventually become the New Mexican Empire, but this is not happening tomorrow).

The North American cluster will consist of the US and two protectorates, to the north and the south, it may include a few additional territories like Haiti, and a couple of remote protectorates, like KSA.

And -- if Brexit happens -- it may well include the UK (or parts of it), since UK cannot have its own cluster!  Not primary real estate, but something... 

And these 50 billions (euros?) will make the US acquisition more attractive. 

Smart Kong !


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Regarding a new Spanish speaking protectorate, i.e. empire........... There is one Real reason why believing that there will be a new future for a Spanish language world power is less than ideal.  And that basic reason is called "Spain".  Spanish speaking countries are based upon the Spanish system of how society is formed, what it stands for, and how it should relate to the rest of the world.  If one studies history and compares Spain to its arch rival, England, it is easy to compare the two systems.  The former is based upon a "top down" system, while the British system is based upon a "bottom up" one.  This means that a true representative system is alien to the Spanish world, just the opposite of the English speaking world.

One of the most significant accomplishments in the history of English speaking society is the "Magna Carta".  And while it began as a basic right for the upper society(knights) it was easily incorporated into ALL of English society, and passed out to its colonies.  That is how countries such as the US, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia, practice representation 'by the people'.  You do not find this in Spanish speaking countries.  Period!  This is one thing that my English History professor, Col. Charles Martin(a proud Anglo Saxon), drummed into we cadet's heads.  EVERYTHING stems from the Magna Carta, and what it represented(Liberty from control by the top(the king).

This is automatically the main reason why the Anglo-Saxon countries are polar opposites of Collectivism, and its current representative, China.  Poor Russia, she's caught between a rock and a hard place, thanks to centuries of Tsarist dictates.  Too bad that little City State of Kiev never took off as it could have, or things may well have been different.  Unfortunately, Russia in in a terrible geological location(next door to the Arctic), and has little if any history of representative government.  Other than that, Russia could have been much like todays USA.  

Like it or not, the English speaking world started out on the right foot, and until other countries change their approach to a little concept of "Liberty" and "Individualism", they will be troublemakers and not world leaders.  

Just my opinion of course.  Sorry for the slight diversion.  Now, about Spanish speaking leadership......................... Spiteful
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Quote:Sorry for the slight diversion. 


Diversion is fine, and this could be finally an interesting topic.  

Cannot guarantee I can find time to reply but I will try. Better split this off first, this is really not related to the CURRENT events, Farage, or Brexit!



Quote:Now, about Spanish speaking leadership......................... Spiteful



Yes, in all times, and irrespective of the political system. It is difficult to find *interesting* Spanish or Latino leaders... I can think of only one! 


Same goes for the Science.  Clearly under-performance, given the number of Spanish speakers. But Magna Carta surely has nothing to do with (and IMO with anything whatsoever!). 

Really no time now. S4 
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mv Wrote:Next step : follow Trump's advice, skip on paying the EU 50 billions agreed upon. Boris is already in favor of doing this.

First it's USD 50 billions (EUR 39 billions) and it's about half of what they are due normaly (about EUR 70 billions). May got a big bargain and nobody realized this.

Failing to pay it will amount to default because it's considered a debt.
Will the UK debt reduced to "junk"? Possibly, if it's not "junk" already for obvious reasons.
More important, there will be no deal as long as the money is not being paid. It's part of the agreement.

Boris Johnson promise (to the british voters) that he will sent his own orders directly to the negotiators in Brussels.
Yet, he doesn't seem to understand that there won't be any negotiator in Brussels because the EU will not negotiate again.

mv Wrote:And -- if Brexit happens -- it may well include the UK
This Brexit is only about to swallow UK into the US. Once the US was part of the British Empire. Soon the situation will be reversed.

It's also possible that UK will serve as an duty-free zone for Chinese products in the EU. And that's why the US would like to be part of it too, now that there are new tariffs.
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(06-10-2019, 06:37 PM)mv Wrote: ...Magna Carta surely has nothing to do with (and IMO with anything whatsoever!). 

First there was Judaism that observed a patriarchal rather than a matriarchal deity. Then came Christianity, that said there are physical laws of the universe which God enacted for Mankind to realize and prosper by. Then there was the Magna Carta that pointed to individual sovereignty. It was the US Constitution that finally codified individual sovereignty. The Magna Carta certainly had an important place in history.
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Quote:First it's USD 50 billions (EUR 39 billions) and it's about half of what they are due normaly (about EUR 70 billions). May got a big bargain and nobody realized this.

39 billions pounds, but who cares..... They cannot possibly cheat EU out of more than they promised... what a bummer S6

Quote:Failing to pay it will amount to default because it's considered a debt.

Nope
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brita...SKCN1TB1BI

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NO.... Magna Carta really needs a separate thread .. unless it specified the amount of alimony to the EU S6 but ... OMG

Quote:First there was Judaism that observed a patriarchal rather than a matriarchal deity.

HUH????? There were A LOT of patriarchal religions before Judaism. Ever heard of Zeus, for example? Not just a patriarch but a sexual maniac, move over Bill Clinton, Zeus screwed anything screwable, his sister, animals, etc. Significance of Judaism was in a totally different plane. And somehow I do not recall anything in the Bible about physical laws .... ?
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Quote:It's also possible that UK will serve as an duty-free zone for Chinese products in the EU. And that's why the US would like to be part of it too, now that there are new tariffs.

HUH? I fail to see what the US gets from it.

Now, a duty free zone for the American agricultural products (and screw the French), this makes sense.
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mv Wrote:Nope
However:
The rating agencies Wrote:Britain would almost certainly be downgraded again, and possibly by two notches from its current double-A, if it tumbled out of the EU without a transition deal, as withholding the divorce cash could imply.

S&P believes the EU would not commence discussions on a fresh relationship with the UK unless London commits to making good on its obligations. Lawyers, meanwhile, warn that it could end up in a damaging clash in the international courts.
(same link)


I Wrote:It's also possible that UK will serve as an duty-free zone for Chinese products in the EU. And that's why the US would like to be part of it too, now that there are new tariffs.
mv Wrote:HUH? I fail to see what the US gets from it.
Trump put tarrifs on imports from China, even jigher than the EU does (25% vs. 21%).
But in the right set-up Brexitland could be used to bypass these tariffs, both in the US and in the EU if the US take part in a deal.
big businesses could buy from England, which will have a free trade agreeement with China and with the EU and the US.


So far the EU doesn't seem to be fooled, or at least act as if they won't be fooled. Trump may be interrested to get support from some friends who don't want to pay tarrifs but who are ready to pay for his next capain.
Or it can be simply a save-the-face strategy: Trump squared by lobbies, cancels the tariffs by allowing big businesses to buy from England, but does not do so formaly at home. Then declqres Trade War victory.
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