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Nigel Farage, UKIP and EU Membership
The one thing that bothers me about this label of "Euro-Socialism" is that it isn't really Socialism in and of itself.  Its really a mixed form of "Collectivism" where the States own some means of production, but just a percentage.  Its kind of a cross between Fascism and Socialism*, but more Fascist in nature. But like any form of Collectivism, the idea is to give the State authority over its individual citizenry.

Whether the EU, or any other large state such as the US, remains solvent and successful will depend on the amount of Liberty each citizen retains. This is why Collectivism is, in reality, just a temporary condition, because it cannot remain economically competitive within a highly competitive world. It all sounds wonderful with 'song and sheet', but it never comes out at the top of the economic scorecard.

And again I will refer to John Naisbitt, who was one of the first to state that the more States act globally, the more they come to value their local sovereignty. The Founding Fathers specifically wrote the Constitution with that in mind, preserving the individual state's powers predominate over their jurisdictional territory. Their intent was to limit central power.


*Fascism and Socialism are closely related, but with the former the State heavily controls and regulates the means of production, whereas in the later the State Owns the means of production.
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WESTERN EUROPE Email leak: British Political Class ‘Colluding’ with Euro Politicians ‘Against Democracy’

Scotland is a corrupt third world "socialist backwater" Britain should have done everything it could to get them out of the Union.
The true purpose of democracy is not to select the best leaders — a clearly debatable obligation — but to facilitate the prompt and peaceful removal of obviously bad ones. 
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(11-08-2018, 10:23 PM)Canuknucklehead Wrote: WESTERN EUROPE Email leak: British Political Class ‘Colluding’ with Euro Politicians ‘Against Democracy’

Scotland is a corrupt third world "socialist backwater" Britain should have done everything it could to get them out of the Union.

Weren't they supposed to be moving toward complete independence?
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Canucklehead Wrote:EUROPEAN NEWS Analyst explains what the EU project really is and compares it with Lenin’s Bolshevik Revolution

This polish guy is completely nuts. The EU is nothing but freedom of trade. #1 business friendly. How does that compare to the Bolshevik revolution?

Canucklehead Wrote:British Political Class ‘Colluding’ with Euro Politicians ‘Against Democracy’
Actualy being anti-Brexit is not against democracy. Originaly almost half voted to stay. 48 vs 52%. The margin in favor of Brexit was very thin.

Today, after all the mess that Brexit caused, and will keep causing, britons are fed up with it. All the polls and opinions agree: In case of a second referendum, the Remain side would win. That's why they rule it out.

You should read the news. This Brexit is a disaster. They are supposed to be out in 4 months and they are nowhere close to a deal. They have lost billions already. At the end of the day they will dash an agreement very similar to UK staying in the EU because the other way is only losing more time and money in custom clearances.


JL Wrote:Weren't they supposed to be moving toward complete independence?
LOL S3
How can you be independant when everything is so interconnected... and when you manage financial assets for half of the EU and you want a brexit?


Now that's funny. The Donald used to be a huge fan of Niggel Farrage... now he says this:

Trump - The GREAT Donald Trump - Wrote:We want a strong Europe, it’s very important to us, and whichever way we can do it the best and more efficient would be something we both want


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This is a great example of why poeple here like Europe, needs it, expect from it.

It doesn't make them less proud of their nationality, less a citizen of their country or something. We are not going to lose our nationality anytime soon. It's not incompatible to be pro-EU and pro-YourCountry at the same time.

I'v never seen in my life a rally to demand the construction of a railway. At least not as big. Never in the thousands.
Usualy poeple protest against. Here they protest against the possible delay or cancelation.

This is not a big event. But it shows how the poeple feel interconnected with neighboring countries. Especialy business poeple and that doesn't mean only the rich magnates but everyone who works in the business as employee or self-enployee, and also poeple who simply like traveling around. Students are overwhelmingly European minded. Doing one year in another EU country, jumping from one city to another across borders is the coolest thing today. 18 years old speaking 4 languages is nothing special anymore.

Nobody would have marched FOR a transfrontalian rail link 50 years ago. Today they were 30,000.
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Some news from Brexitland:

Nothing very new in fqct, but the more we read the more amazing.

reuters Wrote:British Prime Minister Theresa May’s Brexit strategy came under attack from all sides on Monday, putting in doubt her ability to steer any agreement through parliament and raising the risk of a disruptive “no-deal” exit

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May’s compromise plan, which seeks to maintain close trade ties with the EU in the future, is facing opposition from Brexiteers, pro-Europeans, the Northern Irish party that props up her government, and even some of her own ministers.

.... she is now facing increasing pressure from pro-Europeans too.

EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier Wrote:Technically speaking, the text is ready. But there is no political agreement from their (the British) side.
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intense negotiating efforts continue
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I think it's safe to say that she is really not a Brexit Conservative, in spite of her party's desires. Regardless the issue, she is going to have to be sent home so someone else can represent that party. And I think she knows it, based on her reluctance to call for early elections, which would favor her party.
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The caucus can remove her as party leader anytime, it doesn't take an election to remove a leader in the Westminister System.
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Great new idea: Brexitland won't be a EU member state anymore, nor will it be a complete drop-out.

It will become a vassal state.
Wellcome the new divorce deal text! S2

Boris Johnson Wrote:It is vassal state stuff! Gah

I would vote against such an unacceptable accord. Chuck it out.

With the North-South Ireland circle quadrature unsolvable problem, it's not done deal:
reuters Wrote:....with specific provisions for Northern Ireland which go deeper on the issue of customs and alignment with the rules of the EU single market than for the rest of the United Kingdom.

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The pro-Brexit DUP has ruled out any deal that treats Northern Ireland differently from the rest of the UK.

Nigel Dodds, Northern Irish Democratic Unionist Party Wrote:It is going to be a very, very hard sell


JL Wrote:I think it's safe to say that she is really not a Brexit Conservative
She was against the Brexit. Then ironicaly, she became the Brexiteer in charge because none of the big pro Brexit figures wanted to deal with it.

Note that the Brexit is not conservative and pro-euro is not spcificaly pro-labour neither. There are pro and against on both sides. But it seems that there are more conservatives who are pro-Brexit.

CannukH Wrote:The caucus can remove her as party leader anytime, it doesn't take an election to remove a leader in the Westminister System.

She will probably resign before anything else happens. If the current text is not agreed by her cabinet or the parliament, she will definetely resign.
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No good options for May (and for the conservatives, and for the UK).

New elections? Definite defeat, May already tried this when things did not look so bleak, and you know where it got her.

Resignation? Who is going to replace her? The #1 candidate is Boris, who is not acceptable : he is pro-Brexit, he is considered a wacko, and he his hair color indicates orangutan ancestry, just like with Trump S6 Can you name another notable politician in her party?

Incidentally, Brexit or not is no longer important. The UK *already* suffered the main damage: banking industry is moving to the continent... and what does the UK has besides banking hopes? No empire, no agriculture (cf. France), no industry (cf. Germany).

This is what happens when one takes Lenin's "any dumb broad can rule a modern state" literally. S6

And to make it worse, the EU may not be any longer important. Junckler -- who is also a nonentity and a wacko -- promised last week that there will be no EU members in G7 by 2030.

This makes me wonder how the big seven may indeed look like in only a dozen years... China, Japan, India, Russia, Australia, Empire of Mexico, .. who gets the last spot? Turkey or Brazil ?
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Michael Gove, not Boris Johnson, will probably be chosen to replace Theresa May due to his experience. He was Secretary of State for Education, Secretary of State for Justice and Secretary for Environment and Rural Affairs. He believes in capital punishment, is pro-Israel, and wants to replace the ineffective National Health System. He's also not afraid to publically state he is a proud Christian and, probably the only British politician who will have the guts to stand up to its Muslim problem.
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Not Boris Johnson: He already declined the job before.


Looks like there will be a deficit of ministers soon:
Maybe they should stay in the UE to import professional ministers from Brussels free of custom duties...

reuters Wrote:Just over 12 hours after May announced that her cabinet had agreed to the terms of the deal, Brexit minister Dominic Raab and work and pensions minister Esther McVey resigned

Eurosceptics in May’s Conservative Party Wrote:We are calling for a vote of no confidence in her leadership.

Conservative Brexit-supporting lawmaker Wrote:The stark reality is that it was dead on arrival

This just gives you an idea on how the situation became uncontrolable overthere.

Now he is a Rumsfeld style list of options for Britain:

reuters Wrote:Scenarios include:
1/ May’s deal ultimately winning approval;
2/ May losing her job;
3/ Britain leaving the bloc with no agreement;
4/ another referendum.
5/ or something else.

Meet Jacob Rees-Mogg. A name you should remember and cherish as much as Nigel Farrage. I also do... for the fun of pronouncing them.

Jacob Rees-Mogg, the leader of a Conservative eurosceptics Wrote:The draft was worse than anticipated.

I have formally requested a vote of no confidence in May.
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The next prime minister should be someone who believed in Brexit.
Yes, but who? Nobody blieves in Brexit. Except those who do but don't want to take the responsability of it.

reuters Wrote:That prospect pushed the pound GBP=D3 down as much as 2 percent to $1.2731....

The main stock index in Ireland, which is highly dependent on trade with Britain, plunged 3.8 percent.
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Too early to predict.

Boris did quit from being a minister, but he did indicate his interest in being a PM.

Raab was mentioned as an option too.

Keep in mind that the next Tory leader may not last long... leading the party to an election disaster ... so smart people may not want the job.

Boris is not smart, he only has orange hair and long red phallic symbol:

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mv Wrote:Boris did quit from being a minister, but he did indicate his interest in being a PM.

Not sure if it's still actual. The best for a british politician right now is to sit cosily at the Chamber of the Lords (or the Lower Chamber if you are not one) and vote down every deal submitted by any PM, no matter if it's pro-Brexit or anti-Brexit.

Secondly, Boris doesn't have orange hairs but light-yellow. The color is natural.
And he is dishevelled due to his constant rubbing of his head. (A habit he lost since the Brexit negotiations started because it wasn't worth it anymore.)

Not the Donald Trump's sophysticated tweeter bird shaped hairdress.

Here is the complete Boris Johnson’s hair history
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It's funny. Boris Johnson's brother, Jo Johnson, is against Brexit. Even called for a second referendum.

Good summary and conclusion of the situation:
The prolonged torture that is Brexit

Some alternative to the Brexit:
Regrexit or Neverendum?

Three of the four former British prime ministers still alive - John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown Wrote:a second referendum is the way to resolve the crisis.
(It's not clear wether they included Theresa May in the four former British prime ministers still alive. Or if they consider her dead already...)

Opponents of the idea Wrote:It would not solve anything even if voters chose to stay in the EU.

Supporters of Brexit would then demand a third, decisive referendum to resolve the question that has haunted the United Kingdom since it lost its empire.

Bannon is at it again:

Bannon Wrote:EU is trying to thwart Brexit
Of course we do!

European Council President Donald Tusk Wrote:the EU is prepared to cancel Brexit

French President Emmanuel Macron Wrote:Britain could still change its mind.

Yet, actually, it's the Bixish who don't agree among themselves on the divorce agreement. EU leaders just sit and watch.

reuters Wrote:Police officers eventually escorted the 64-year-old (Bannon) into the Oxford University society’s historic debating chamber through a back entrance.
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Quote:Boris doesn't have orange hairs but light-yellow. The color is natural.


Nay, this is what too much rubbing did to the original orange.  He simply needs a fresh paint job.

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2nd vote on Brexit is very unlikely. The idea is just not popular.

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not that it is clear what is popular anymore.....

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Here is a funny thing about May :  she is surely deep in Shia.   But they all are now.... Merkel is effectively gone (and now is even apologizing for the migrants).  Macron's popularity is gone, and he facing near riots.  Bibi has been fubared  over the Gaza loss.  Trump has to deal with the CIA report, his favorite scion is in even deeper mess, of course.   Juncker is wearing different shoes now and saying odd things, perhaps Alzheimer. Who else is in there?  
Well, of all the Western leaders, only Erdogan.  But then he is smart, unlike the rest. 


Just imagine ... all these troubles for mostly small reasons ... just wait till the economies head south...  None of these countries has suitable replacement leaders.
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