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Nigel Farage, UKIP and EU Membership
mv, What is APFA?

May Wrote:MPs had a choice: leave the EU with a deal, leave without a deal, or not leave at all.

“It is high time we made a decision
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My typo, sorry. :oops:

I was referring to the Aachen French German Assembly, just approved by the Germans, see.

This radically changes the EU. In fact, it is not impossible that it ends the EU the way it is now, and instead creates a neo-Charlemagne empire, with a strong core capable of making decisions and imposing them on the others.

In this situation having Brits around would be an unneeded disturbance.
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A milestone.... finally the morons from the islands agree on something


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mv Wrote:I was referring to the Aachen French German Assembly, just approved by the Germans, see.

Oho! I didn't know about that.
But honnestly, I don't think it will be very important.
Nowadays, we see a proliferation of commissions, commities, work groups, study groups, think-tanks, councils, ministries, departments, etc so why not yet one more parliament? Or one more congress? Or senate? Or assembly?

This multiplication of political layers becomes ridiculous.

And I wonder how much all of this costs to us... S4


Ok, Brexit:
(don't care about the text, just look at the pictures)
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I suspect Aachen is VERY important -- if they succeed.   It would be THE decision-making body, unlike the European parliament.

Fairly good summary here :  may want to run through Google translate 
  https://alex-leshy.livejournal.com/1342545.html


in fairness, they should have included all the original six EU countries, except that Italy is too much of a headache to deal with ....


BTW, I still could not figure out how the abbreviation APFA  is deciphered.   I saw in multiple places now ...
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LOL. Here is a picture to look at

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I wonder how much longer the Tories are going to put up with her? Banghead
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LOL.  Maybe a better question is how much longer the Tories would exist with her on top? --

Right now, cancelling Brexit altogether is a plausible way out of the mess. And this would mean that
more than half of the Tory base would feel that their party toyed with them for three years and then
betrayed them.  Possible outcome ==> end of the Tories.

But it can be even funnier.

No-deal Brexit is another plausible way to end this show.    This may well reduce the UK to England proper
within just a few years ...  And this may ironically save the Tories -- countryside England is their base.

What a woman!   To accomplish so much in so little time. S6

Such a strong personality .. or was, two years ago:

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It looks as though we have an actual "Mayday" in the works. And in March no less. Shock

MAYDAY: Cabinet Coup in Full Swing, ‘End Is Nigh, She Will Be Gone in 10 Days’

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(03-23-2019, 08:13 PM)John L Wrote: It looks as though we have an actual "Mayday" in the works.  And in March no less.  Shock

MAYDAY: Cabinet Coup in Full Swing, ‘End Is Nigh, She Will Be Gone in 10 Days

One hour after the unfortunate meeting with The Iceberg, the crew of Titanic voted to dismiss the captain and replace him with a random jerk. S6

What good would replacing May now will do?  They have nobody of stature to replace her with!  They still have an impossible situation!  And one can only imagine the amount of damage firing May will make to women's rights S6
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Yes, she is going down, this year, but not just yet. 

Nobody really wants the impossible job:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47683059


She is also perhaps going for the honors of the worst PM in the entire British History, Chamberlain is being kicked out.
(Hmm.. is he actually considered the worst? Not fully sure).
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On EU (Not UK):

Now it is getting interesting. S2

We have simultaneously :

1// Aachen agreement : Franco-German core integration.
2// Macron talking about the necessity to consolidate EU to parry the threats from the US and China.
3// And meanwhile
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LOL. While the UK is The Entity Trojan horse, Italy now became The Chinese Trojan horse?
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There is a conspiracy to move the Great Britain from the EU to the US:

The European Commission Wrote:A ‘no-deal’ scenario on 12 April is now a likely scenario. The EU... is now fully prepared for a ‘no-deal’
John Bolton Wrote:President Trump remains very eager to cut a bilateral trade deal with an independent Britain. It’s what the people voted for in 2016, and when they get out, whether it’s now, April 12 or later, we’ll be standing right there waiting for them

reuters Wrote:Thousands of people opposed to Britain delaying its departure from the European Union marched through central London on Friday
protester Wrote:Excellent. We’re now on track for a ‘no deal
Later...

reuter Wrote:The mood of protesters ranged from satisfaction to despair.

Because...
reuters Wrote:
The chairman of British Conservative Party Wrote:we’ve got to look at all the options
The options that have so far gathered most support involve closer ties to the EU and a second referendum.
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mv Wrote:suspect Aachen is VERY important -- if they succeed.   It would be THE decision-making body, unlike the European parliament.

Fairly good summary here :  may want to run through Google translate
 https://alex-leshy.livejournal.com/1342545.html

Why do I need Google Translate if I can read the original document (pdf) in my own language?

IMO I have a better insight reading the original treaty in its original language than by reading a paper from an euroskeptic russian journalist. S5

There is nothing special in the treaty other than blablabla to say that they will keep on cooperating like good friends.

On interresting point thought: One of their goal is to make Germany a parmanent member of the UN Security Council.

There is no Franco-German parliament. Just a meeting once a year, a consultation group of economists and a "Forum for Future".

Articles talking about this trreaty are longer than the treaty itself.


mv Wrote:Nobody really wants the impossible job:
Maybe because...
Chancellor Philip Hammond Wrote:changing prime ministers wouldn't help, changing the party of government wouldn't help
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mv Wrote:LOL. While the UK is The Entity Trojan horse, Italy now became The Chinese Trojan horse?
Traitors! S4
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The real problem/culprit with any European organization/society is that Europeans just lust after rules/laws. I spent 1 1/2 years in Germany in the mid-late 60s, and even then most Americans were overwhelmed by all the rules for this, regulations for that. I've never seen anything like it in my entire life, and today I'll bet you its far worse. Hell, even stopping on the side of the road to take a piss(and that was a very common sight), had its own regulations on which hand to use when greeting someone. Shaking hands are pretty much expected, and so there are rules for that. Its simply mind boggling.

You get invited to someone's house, and take along the kids? You have to have special insurance for breakage that kids are want to cause. Regulations, regulations, Rules, rules, Laws, laws, laws. I don't know about what today's American folks in the military think about living in Euro-lalaland, but this Euro-lust for having a rule/law for everything was the biggest joke when I was there. This is the first thing that perplexes Americans when they set foot in Europe. One of the first things visiting Euros tell Americans is wonder at how we can live with so few laws. I kid you not.

This is why trying to form any alliance or pact with fellow Euros is akin to herding cats.
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17 Million F*ck Offs - A Song About Brexit




Andy Serkis reprises Gollum character to mock May's Brexit plan


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JohnL, you are right: Rules, laws, regulations in Europe are crazy. We complain about that evryday.
Right now, I'm in the process of fixing the papers for my house in Lithuania: it's so absurd a case, you won't believe it. Sometimes we wonder how did they get so much imagination to create rules so perfectly that it makes almost impossible to get your papers in order!

But let me remind you that your experience in germany dates from before the creation of the EU (as it is today).
And that my administrative problems with my house have no connection with my foreign identity.
Labyrinthine regulations are mostly local.

As an expatriate I bless the EU everyday. Of course those who live in their country and never cross or even get close to the border don't understand as much the benefits of the EU.


Black Hole Brexit, MAY 22 and Flextention

European leaders don't know whether to extent Britain departure for 6, 9 or 12 months. But it's sure, it won't be this friday.

Macron agrees to postpone the Brexit only if they promise that europhobic Brexit supporters won't sabotage the functionning of the EU during this period.
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It would be prudent to unbind Farage from UKIP now... Farage is out to destroy UKIP!

Now, interesting opinion poll data:

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if one adds OLD Farage party with his NEW one, one gets the leader. And either of the two parties is nearly-Tory strength.

Of course, this is meaningless, it is not about how people vote, but about how votes are counted ....
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Now that Brexit is delayed until october, you don't read or hear anything about it anymore. They will start debating again, at the end of september, a few days before the new deadline with exactly the same positions as today.

Suddenly they had local elections in UK. Normally local election don't affect European matters like trade deals. Yet this time, the vote clearly show how people feel about it:

reuters Wrote:The main beneficiaries of the swing against the two main parties were the pro-EU Liberal Democrats, who campaigned on a straightforward demand for a new referendum, aiming to reverse Brexit. They had won 700 councillors, more than doubling their seats. The Greens, who also back a second Brexit referendum, gained 194 seats.
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Next election in Britain will be... European parliament election. LOL/ROTFLMAO S2
Yes: If they stay until october they will have to elect EU MPs. Like it or not. Nigel Farrage can hope for a second mandate. LOL.
Will be very interesting. If pro-EU parties won in local elections, you can imagine how they will fare at the EU election...
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