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Nigel Farage, UKIP and EU Membership
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(01-29-2014, 04:27 PM)John L Wrote: But there really is(de facto) just one basic party, locked in a celestial orbit with each other.

NO! What we have is an entire class of individuals who have been raised to suck the blood from the electorate. The people of each party basically believe what the party platform is but the elected officials do whatever they can not to make waves and ensure that they can maneuver themselves to slightly shift policy & regulation in a way that they and their cronies can steal from the public treasury.

Adding a third, forth, fifth, sixth, seventh party further Balkanizes the process. Look at how ineffective all the parliaments and governments of Europe have been rendered useless.

When I turned 18 like most men here I went to the Post Office, registered for the selecive service and was required to declare a political party affiliation. When I did it there were three choices, Democrat, Republican or Independent. While my thinking was clearly more towards the Republicans and at this moment I cannot recall my thinking but I could not declare myself a Republican. I registered as an Independent voter and I have remained so. During the 1980s I did volunteer work for the New York State Conservative Party which to this day continues to benefit the Great State of New York in which I was born. They have a huge challenge with all of the slime & Riff Raff that has drifted in over the years. As I understand it the slime and Riff Raff is not the worst of it the whole of New York has been taken over by the DNC. How the city will hold up with such an infestation is beyond my comprehension.

No John, I do not see it as a problem of two parties. I see it as a problem of incumbents in each of the parties. Children at one time went to school to become doctors, lawyers, engineers, architects, etc, etc... Now kids go to school to become Community Leaders and learn the various loopholes that the incumbents with their ObamaPhones have left open for them. Their is no umphfff anymore. It is too easy to steal from the public treasury. Our government pays leftist activist organizations such as GreenPeace, WWF, EDF, Planned Parenthood etc, etc to sue the US government so that they can further gain more funds to reelect incumbents and perpetuate this fiasco. No John, the problem is not two parties which now can not be separated by the width of the thickness of a cigarette paper. Our problem is incumbents and professional politicians. Take Congressional and Senatorial pensions & salaries away. Limit Senators & Congressmen to four months a year in D.C. on penalty of being shot on sight. Make them hold a regular job like everyone else throughout the year. Stop breeding leeches that suck the life blood of you, me, and every good person in America.
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#42
I have no problem with your point here Paul. I too hate the blood suckers with a purple passion. That's why I can sit here and watch Nigel Farage castigate those EU cocksucker all day long and never lose interest.

What we are doing here is just dancing our own barycenter around the real center of the matter. But I am still going to keep pushing for a REAL second party: a Liberty Party. And screw the DOP, for all I care. They can all go suck eggs. I'm through with them forever. And until we realize that reforming them from the bottom up is a complete waste in frustration, I'm never going to cease and desist.

That's why I am a Huge Beck fan. He is the first radio host(other than Neal Boortz) to see this. I'm just eagerly waiting for this to happen.
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(01-29-2014, 06:12 PM)John L Wrote: But I am still going to keep pushing for a REAL second party: a Liberty Party. And screw the DOP, for all I care. They can all go suck eggs. I'm through with them forever.
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Hey, I'm looking at the grass roots movement that is not going to stop although Obama has mobilized the full force of the Federal Govt.(IRS, DOJ,NSA,HSA, etc...)

Little groups of people like you and me who may or may not call themselves 'Tea Party', we all believe in the same direction, do not give a FF what the other does because we are going to do what we are going to do and hell and high water is not going to stop us!

I see new people in the belly of the beast in D.C. like Mike Lee. On a State level I see people like Governor Bobby Jindal that epitomizes the American dream.

There is a lot of crap but if we look around at no time in all of history, people especially people in America have never had it this good. I know some major indexes are down but all this can change. We are letting our government get in the way. Career politicians, bureaucrats and people working for the sole purpose of getting a big fat govt. pension... That is the problem.
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Paul[, I think you have the right of it. To expand on your thought, it seems the incumbents play the same game to retain contemporaneous power - but the parties themselves are truly different. The planks of the parties are sometimes mealy-mouthed platitudes - but if you look at them, they are usually diametrically opposed. It is the party hacks who distort and lie, and if they did what they promised to do, the bills written, and the laws enacted would follow the wishes of the voters.
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#45
But they don't Bill, that's the entire point. And all the "woulda, outta, coulda, and shoulda" will not even buy you a cup of coffee. Get Real! If the bums don't do as they say, you first try to change leadership. And after that, you walk and find another place where you are comfortable.

Well, I'm tired of all this empty rhetoric, and if you like having an ungreased shaft permanently stuck up your Backside, don't expect others to accept it and smile. I'm not their Butt Boy, and its time for you to get with it and pull up your pants. And all the magic toilet paper in the world, as you avatar implies, will never be able to wipe that shaft away either.
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(01-29-2014, 07:02 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Paul[, I think you have the right of it. To expand on your thought, it seems the incumbents play the same game to retain contemporaneous power - but the parties themselves are truly different. The planks of the parties are sometimes mealy-mouthed platitudes - but if you look at them, they are usually diametrically opposed. It is the party hacks who distort and lie, and if they did what they promised to do, the bills written, and the laws enacted would follow the wishes of the voters.
Putting things in a nut shell works for me. I think you took a lot of words and condensed things just fine.S2
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Nigel Farage gives UKIP weather forecast on BBC 26 Jan14S6
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#48
Ohh Hoo, did you hear the part where he advised everyone to avoid light aircraft this next EU election? The guy also has a good case of self-deprecating humour.

Someone put his missing shoe back on too.

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(02-01-2014, 06:29 PM)John L Wrote: Ohh Hoo, did you hear the part where he advised everyone to avoid light aircraft this next EU election? The guy also has a good case of self-deprecating humour.

Someone put his missing shoe back on too.

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Where is the 'Ohh Hoo humor', in the fact that a non-far-leftist.politician as a passenger involved in a small commuter plane accident on a tiny European Island nation where small commuter plane transportation if very common? This tragic accident happened almost four years ago. Explain the joke. I don't get the laughS9



I don't see the humor, the point or the relevance, John.
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#50
Its in the weather forecast video you posted above. Didn't you watch it? If so, go back, watch it again, and you will see where he was poking fun of himself.
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(02-02-2014, 12:10 AM)John L Wrote: Didn't you watch it.

Yeah, I watched it and was the individual here that posted the video! ...and other than a brief mention of stormy weather that it would be unadvised to fly in small aircraft there is nothing else. There was no Nigel poking fun at the fact that he was involved in a tragic small plane accident I don't get dredging something like that up. If some politician mentions be careful on the winter roads it would never occur to me to post bloody photos of him or his family involved in a tragic car accident in which he was a passenger years earlier.

No, there was no joke intended. Little humor in plane crashes. What were you thinking? The left portrays people on the right in compromising situations enough. Why dredge up bloody photos of tragic accidents?

The whole point of Nigel's news broadcast was that the leftist media would stop at nothing to make the most obscure connection to any one, anything, the color of a T-Shirt the remotest tele-connected event to disparage Ukip. That was the point! ...and you go ahead and post a picture of a Ukip senior member being pulled from the wreckage of a small passenger plane in which he was a passenger. As you pointed out John, we should stay focused. The topic of my post is regarding how the left grabs at straws to discredit UKip so it is surprising and kind of inappropriate for you to leave the room, go down the street and dig up something from years past that also has nothing to do with UKip.

Let's continue down the obscure humor track:

The last airline joke I remember went like this: What did all the little kids in Lockerbie, Scotland get for Christmas? S13 Luggage.

... but then your other shoe dropped and the real joke was that as the UK and France were negotiation most favorable nation trade status with Libya for oil & gas the UK released the terrorist that was responsible for killing those hundreds of people so that he could come home to Libya to a heroes welcome because he struck a blow to the west and blew up hundreds of westerners over the skies of the people of the free-world. Then the deal fell apart, the UK, French & Red Cross presences were attacked by terrorists and they left. Hillary Clinton kept the small unprotected US diplomatic core in Benghazi. They were slaughtered. Is that a knee slapper. Nope, but Tea Parties and UKip were opposed to any intervention in regional Islamist extremist vs. regional Islamist extremist. In my opinion the way to deal with this is to review the facts. It would never occur to me to dig up tragic events from years past, act in the same manner as the extreme is being pointed out to have acted.

John, you did just what the LEFTIST BBC is accused of doing every day. Yeah, I am harping and I am probably over this as soon as I press send. I am fine with you. S26
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#52
How much you wanna' bet!?

There is nothing like dry British humour.
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(02-02-2014, 01:28 AM)John L Wrote: How much you wanna' bet!?

There you go John. You hone in on the one thing that I have never and will probably never do. I do not bet. I do not gamble. I have not enought fingers and after taking off my socks I have found I have not enough toes than the times that I have been to the Casinos of Vegas and A.C. but I have yet to even put a coin in a slot machine.

I'll bang heads but I don't bet. Doesn't matter anyway.
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#54
Well, you'd lose. The entire 'weather report' was a skit, using humour to highlight it. And if a person cannot laugh at his own foibles, then he may not be good enough to lead a party into a majority through adversity. Nigel knows this, and is using the entire thing to have fun AND expose the other side.

I immediately 'got it'. I'm surprised you didn't. But that's why I am here: to lend a helping hand. S5


I'm off to Sleepy Town, with Charlie. Later.....................
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(02-02-2014, 02:16 AM)John L Wrote: Well, you'd lose. The entire 'weather report' was a skit, using humour to highlight it. And if a person cannot laugh at his own foibles, then he may not be good enough to lead a party into a majority through adversity. Nigel knows this, and is using the entire thing to have fun AND expose the other side.

I immediately 'got it'. I'm surprised you didn't. But that's why I am here: to lend a helping hand. S5


I'm off to Sleepy Town, with Charlie. Later.....................

Quote:The whole point of Nigel's news broadcast was that the leftist media would stop at nothing to make the most obscure connection to any one, anything, the color of a T-Shirt the remotest tele-connected event to disparage Ukip. That was the point! ...and you go ahead and post a picture of a Ukip senior member being pulled from the wreckage of a small passenger plane in which he was a passenger. As you pointed out John, we should stay focused. The topic of my post is regarding how the left grabs at straws to discredit UKip so it is surprising and kind of inappropriate for you to leave the room, go down the street and dig up something from years past that also has nothing to do with UKip.


Sure... after 1am for you, after 7am for me. the difference is I will probably be waking up and making coffee at 10am or 11am over here and banging the pots for my wife to get up.S24
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#56
This is very interesting.

Quote:In recent months, Party insiders have communicated to me that they believe around 20 to 30 percent of their current support may come from former Labour voters, and given the commensurate decline in the left-wing Progressive Democrat vote as UKIP's has risen, there may be reason to believe that a few points are shifting that way, too, as voters search for a new protest party.

In The Observer, left-wing columnist Nick Cohen expresses his concerns over UKIP reaching Labour's constituency, stating: "As local, European and parliamentary election results make clear, many [xenophobic voters] once voted Labour." And while Cohen's brusque smears against former left-leaning voters reveal a petulance that was scarcely evident when those so-called "xenophobes" voted Labour, his concerns over the white, working class vote are not without merit.

I highly suspect this would also be the case when/if a Real Second party emerges in the US.
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#57
Farage is not resting on his laurels, as he lambastes the prime minister.

FARAGE SLAMS CAMERON AS EU CHIEF REVEALS THE UK HAS NO RENEGOTIATION PLAN
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#58
Nigel Farage Van Rompuy, Barroso worst people in EU since 1945


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#59
Nigel "Gets it". And he is capitalizing on it too.

Again, "As we act globally, we think tribally/locally". This is so easy to understand, in light of the increasing number of new states. And it will continue to grow. People want to have their own autonomy, to make their own decisions, and not have some tyrant/bureaucrat/politician dictating to them. This is Common Sense 101, and Mr. Farge is showing everyone how to combat it.

Hurray for Nigel Farage. S22
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Ohh, the things some folks will say in order to demonize the other side: 'YOU CANNOT BE CHRISTIAN AND SUPPORT UKIP' SAYS TORY PEER. Something tells me this will not work. S5
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