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Its Progressivism Stupid! Not Liberalism
#1
Bill Whittle tells it just as it really is. He's one of the big names on the Right who not only Get's It, but is actually out preaching the facts. And also note that he, like me, also uses the terms of "Individualists" and "Collectivists" to describe the two opposing beliefs. It is the best form of description out there.



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#2
It takes a while to really go through this Whittle speech, and it may take going through certain parts more than once.

Here's one part that really sticks with the listener, concerning how Progressives treated Blacks. But its near the end.

In the 1960s, the Democrats switched strategies.

Quote:"They went from oppressing Black people through laws and murder, to oppressing Black people by giving them just barely enough so that they would work on their vote plantation.

"All they needed was an hour's worth of work from them, every two years, and the bribe continues. You guys keep your crime to your own neighborhood, and we'll make sure your EBT cards get a little balance at the end of the month. We'll give you a crappy Obama Phone, and another food pallet, just to keep you alive long enough to vote for us next time. "

Oh, and we'll make sure the Black Family never gains traction. We'll hand out the paltry goodies to just one parent, and let the other one act like the young barbarian.

And instead of letting your numbers increase as a result of all this, we'll find a way to keep your numbers down, by going to visit the Eugenics abortion mill. And at the same time you'll remain slaves to us.

And the strategy really does work. S11
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#3
Agree with Bill Whittle's message. The only caution I give is that it is the message that is important - not trying to make definitions of terms stick when the battle to do so takes away from the message.

Collectivists and Free Market individualists are the the diametric opposites - not just individualists.
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Also - One of the best places for sanity is at Joshua's Trail. One of the messages posted there is BEST SUMMATION OF BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA EVER!.

Please take the time to listen to some of the archived shows. It will make you have faith in the Black community - despite all Obama and the Democrats do to screw with them.
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(07-25-2015, 10:08 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Agree with Bill Whittle's message. The only caution I give is that it is the message that is important - not trying to make definitions of terms stick when the battle to do so takes away from the message.

Sigh...... This is not trying to parse the definition of what the word "Is "Is". We should be talking about the basics FIRST, and then all the $5 nuances later. If you cannot define the enemy properly, then how does one know just who and what to look for?

Oh, did you watch his entire speech?
Quote:Collectivists and Free Market individualists are the the diametric opposites - not just individualists.

Did anyone state that they weren't? Last time I looked Bill, Individualists also include Free Market Individualists.

For the record,

Collectivism is the belief that the Group/State/Collective takes precedence over the Individual.

Individualism is the belief that the Individual, whether or not that person is a Free Market Individualist, takes precedence over the Group/State/Collective.
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(07-25-2015, 10:27 PM)WmLambert Wrote: One of the messages posted there is BEST SUMMATION OF BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA EVER!.

And speaking of Mychal Massie............................



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#7
This article probably isn't directly related to progressivism. But, I just wonder how often progressive ideas were driven by old fashioned power and greed only?

Like this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/20.../30699489/
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(07-27-2015, 09:45 PM)Palladin Wrote: This article probably isn't directly related to progressivism. But, I just wonder how often progressive ideas were driven by old fashioned power and greed only?

Like this:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/20.../30699489/

That fellow, Reynolds, is a consummate cynic, just like you. S13

Here's a great example:

Quote:And politicians back the companies because — and be clear about this — politicians don’t care about you, they care about using their positions to accumulate money, power and prestige.

The sad truth is that "Most" politicians are less concerned about their constituates than themselves. But there are still many who are.

You see, I'm not consumed with cynicism. S22
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#9
Here's one Progressive Ideologue, who is learning the facts of life and economics, the hard way.

Company’s $70,000 Minimum Wage Works Out Just Like Atlas Shrugged Predicted

"Equality of Results", i.e. Egalitarianism, is not the same thing as "Equality of Opportunity". Nothing like losing the best, and being stuck with the dregs. S6
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#10
Limbaugh did a piece on him today. I guess when Rush talked about this weeks ago, he said he hoped it would become a case for MBA studies at business schools.
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#11
We have so many examples of stupid Progressive, and Socialist, actions you would think people would be able to add two and two together, and come up with the right number. Egalitarianism, coupled with Collectivism, never, ever, works. Everywhere it is tried, it fails.

Its failing in a Big way in Venezuela right now. And I suspect it will all fall apart soon. I can only hope that there is not a lot of killings when the Socialist government is overthrown.
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This is a couple of years old, but it makes my point.





Quote:Finally, Republicans are more liberal than Democrats. This is a no brainer - so even Democrats can understand it. Get it? Because their IQ’s are... Never mind. See, the media have managed to redefine liberal to mean not liberal. Giving government the power to confiscate people’s property to use for its own purposes is not liberal. Giving government the power to force individuals of faith to violate their consciences - that’s not liberal either. It’s the Democrats in universities who impose limitations on what students can hear and talk about. It’s the Democrats in Congress who tried to pass a constitutional amendment limiting your right to voice an opinion about political candidates. It’s Republicans who believe in free speech, free markets and free minds. And if you think Democrats are more liberal about sex, then you haven’t read California’s yes means yes law or listened to feminists redefining the word rape to mean just about everything. Sure, some Republicans may have crotchety opinions about sex, but at least they don’t want to outlaw and demonize it.
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#14
Love the quote: "This is an example of a rhetorical device known as hyperbole. Progressives do not in fact burst into flames when speaking the truth."
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(09-18-2015, 02:46 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Love the quote: "This is an example of a rhetorical device known as hyperbole. Progressives do not in fact burst into flames when speaking the truth."

Andrew Klavan and Bill Whittle are two of my favorite personalities. They're highly informed, articulate, and great teachers.
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The latest from Truth Revolt on,............

THIS WEEK IN PROGRESSIVE LUNACY: Tag Banned at School to Protect Children's Emotions

Quote:For kids in the Mercer Island School District in Washington, tag is no longer an option on the playground, and that's a first-class ticket to TR's "This Week in Progressive Lunacy."

And what, pray tell, is the reasoning school officials gave behind this decision? Well, the emotional state of these precious little snowflakes needs to be protected at all costs, that's what.

An e-mail by the district's communication director Mary Grady explains:

Quote:The Mercer Island School District and school teams have recently revisited expectations for student behavior to address student safety. This means while at play, especially during recess and unstructured time, students are expected to keep their hands to themselves. The rationale behind this is to ensure the physical and emotional safety of all students.

I wonder if any of this has to do with the Evil Competition Monster?
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#17
And speaking of Progressives, what about where they are concentrated the most. This little set of statistics is most telling. We all know that big cities are loaded with them, but what about the smaller cities?

America’s 20 ‘Worst’ Small Cities Have One Curious Thing in Common — Can You Spot it?

Surprise!
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#18
And speaking about Progressivism(er, Fascism), in the US the march toward the Collectivist State, which just keeps on going on, and on, and...................

First, the leader in the run for president, following two terms of Collectivist MacDaddy, is..................you guessed it, a Progressive Corporatist by the name of Donald Trump. And his schtick is how he will use his "Big Business" and "Big Government" credentials together in order to "Make AmeriKa Great Again". But he will simply label it "The Art of the Deal" as he continues to emulate his Italian predecessor.

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Hell, one even looks like the other's uncle, or grandfather.

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But this isn't the only thing worth watching. Just take such giants as Apple, and Alphabet Inc(the parent company of Google), who are in a struggle to become the most valuable company in the world.

And what is so interesting about these two giants is that they are playing the corporatist game together, in order to push out any competition from making inroads against their perch at the top of the mountain. Google is the default iPhone search engine because it paid Apple $1 billion And When the American version of Il Duce hits the streets in 2017, which one will he favor? My guess is that he will embrace both, because that is what Fascists do best.

What is so ironic is that the leading Jackass candidate proudly displays the "Progressive" ideology on her shoulders, while the now favored Republican leader is not. Instead, he is simply walking the walk, while the other one is talking the talk. Either way, the Progressive heyday may really just be around the corner, making the early progressive era look like child's play.

Either way, we are going to be screwed. And yet, nobody except the possible exception of Glen Beck, is calling this spade a spade. It is still labeled "Liberal" by most pundits, who are clearly letting the monster slide in under cover of mislabeling. No wonder the Right can't get it's act together, because they first have to identify the enemy before successfully fighting it. Meanwhile the Road toward Perdition keeps getting us closer to its Collectivist end.
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I hear "Corporatism" and "Progressivism" bandied about interchangeably with "Liberalism" all the time. The nineteenth and twentieth century definition of "Liberal" has changed for all time. In order to talk about what our founders believed, one must use the awkward-sounding "Classic Liberalism" or else be forever misunderstood. Its a pity, because specificity in language is a pet peeve of mine - but even more so is being understood for what one means.

The problem is, that politics is a hodge-podge of many isms. One can be an economic conservative and a social liberal - and vice-versa. One can hate big government, but still like efficiency. One of the things I find most indicative in identifying Progressive-Liberals is how they believe in the Islamic idea of taqiyyah. It is okay for them to disinform, lie, and misdirect in order to promote their isms. The Clintons set the idea of moral pragmatism in concrete. The Right may tend to rationalize - but rarely to lie on purpose.

Another of the problems with contemporaneous political labels, is that they have been so disinformationally presented that what they should mean often doesn't grok. Yes, intellectually, "Facism", "Liberal", Progressive", "Marxist", and other terms do mean specific things - but language is as legitimate in the gutter as in the Ivory Tower. Words mean things, and it is pointless to argue to a misuser of terms what the correct usage is. Far better to define terms on a one-to-one basis than to shout past one another. Who is to change their usage? the Ivory Tower intellect or the Joe Sixpack down in the gutter?

The only way to nail down Trump, or anyone else running, is to get their issues and promises down, and make them accountable for them. I have heard the comparison with Reagan being a one-time Democrat so many times that it makes my head hurt. When Roberts was confirmed to the SCOTUS, he said all the right things and still turned Left. So did Anthony Kennedy. I also think that Harriet Miers would have been a great Justice, as Bork would have been, but wishy-washy won out.

The things that Trump is bound to at this point, is to stop illegal immigration, strengthen the Military, Balance the budget, stop Corporate Inversion by lowering taxes, end ObamaCare, fix the VA, and punish the evil doers. He needs more than Carl Icon to work with him, though. But the same goes with everyone else, as well. Cruz has the best resumé, in my opinion, but who knows what politicians may do after getting elected?
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(01-23-2016, 06:37 PM)WmLambert Wrote: I hear "Corporatism" and "Progressivism" bandied about interchangeably with "Liberalism" all the time. The nineteenth and twentieth century definition of "Liberal" has changed for all time. In order to talk about what our founders believed, one must use the awkward-sounding "Classic Liberalism" or else be forever misunderstood. Its a pity, because specificity in language is a pet peeve of mine - but even more so is being understood for what one means.

It has NOT changed for all time. If you are willing to compromise your standards and go along to get along, that's your problem Bill. I am also telling you that the name is being reclaimed, and has made huge strides since I first made the switch.

And I will quote this one more time, just for you: ""If you do not clearly define the enemy you are going to face, you cannot figure out the best way to defeat that enemy."

Just because Limbaugh is fixated on proving to his dead Daddy that he is not a failure in life, and will always do what his Daddy did, doesn't make it right. And just because Hannity has decided to follow in the footsteps of his hero, Rush, does not make it right either. The truth is the truth, and the facts are the facts. What part about accuracy are you unable to understand? Or is it just an unwillingness to go to the extra trouble being accurate. Are you that way with your graphics work?

Make up your mind Bill. Are you going to pursue the goal of intellectual honesty, or intellectual laziness. You and I both know which is the easier to do, just as with that Limbaugh person.
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