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The Iran Deal
Typical thoughtless answer of your's. No, I don't blame the US or you for everything, just the things that only a blind bat cannot see we do wrong.

I am blaming you and the USA for thinking it is acceptable for us to try and be the hegemon 5000 miles from here and you do not allow others to be hegemon's in their area and you surely would declare war if they tried it here.

That's a cosmic level of hypocrisy and moral blindness. Typical American. It always ends up bad when people groups think like ancient Assyrians and Babylonians thought of themselves.

Why is it Iran cannot be the hegemon over there but we can be over there( and here)? Why are they evil and we're good from your view?
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(08-29-2016, 06:28 PM)John L Wrote:
(08-29-2016, 05:38 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: While Putin can use Iranian air bases, the Mullahs are deploying his S-300 surface-to-air missile defence system around their uranium enrichment facility

I'll bet they would be almost entirely worthless against an Israeli attack.  First off, Russian technology and production is questionable.  They are reliable, but tend not to be superior in the highly technical range.   Those crafty, underhanded Joos almost certainly have working copies, and have countermeasures that are pretty much fool-proof.  S22
The presence of S-300 is not to be taken lightly when you plan an air attack. Of course, it's a system already 10~20 years old... but not totaly worthless. Never underestimate your ennemy.
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(08-31-2016, 06:14 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: ...The presence of S-300 is not to be taken lightly when you plan an air attack. Of course, it's a system already 10~20 years old... but not totaly worthless. Never underestimate your enemy.

The issue with this is that the defense systems, themselves, will become targets of Israeli offensive weapons, and will such targeting be an attack on Russia, as well as Iran? I doubt the enrichment facilities can be easily destroyed without taking out their protection.

Can a bunker-buster bomb be delivered cleanly with interference?
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(08-31-2016, 07:05 PM)WmLambert Wrote: The issue with this is that the defense systems, themselves, will become targets of Israeli offensive weapons, and will such targeting be an attack on Russia, as well as Iran?

Why would it be an attack on Russia?  Russia sold the missiles to Iran, not leased, including crew.  If the missile batteries were being operated by Russians, the Russians would definitely Not want the world to know that.  So they wouldn't say anything.

(08-31-2016, 07:05 PM)WmLambert Wrote: I doubt the enrichment facilities can be easily destroyed without taking out their protection.

Can a bunker-buster bomb be delivered cleanly with interference?

Perhaps, perhaps not.  If Israeli spies/accomplices were able to penetrate the facility, they may be able to deliver a nuclear weapon below ground, or construct one with the materials on hand.  Or, they could take on hand materials, create contaminated particles to be spread around the facility via the air duct system.  If that was to be accomplished, there wouldn't be a need to attack the facility with aircraft.  The damage would be done from within.

Remember, we know that Israel already had at least one scientist working for them, because Iran captured a scientist and executed him publicly for spying for those Evil Joos.  Who knows how many Iranians are really working for the Israeli?  Remember, the two countries were staunch allies/friends Before the Mullahs took over.  Spiteful
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I don4t think any israeli spy have entered the complex. Nobodu would be enough crazy to do that. Pure suicide. Not worth the money.
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(09-05-2016, 06:14 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: I don't think any Israeli spy [could] have entered the complex. Nobody would be enough crazy to do that. Pure suicide. Not worth the money.

The reason Israel is so strong in the Intel arena, is their Humint and counter intel moles. No one has more agents penetrating the bad guys than they have. Always been that way.

The US used to be that way. Back in the 60's during the Summer of Love (and protests against the Vietnam War), the US had so many counter agents embedded in violent agitator groups, that they sometimes had agents from different agencies eying each other as the main problem. They were in so deep that many acted as agitators, themselves, and spurred on some of the worst actions against the country. Years afterward, when the intel was all rounded up and dissected, they were surprised that their own cover often caused some problems. By and large, the stories I've heard was that much more good was done than the few accidental wrongs done by undercover good guys acting bad.

IOW, the Israelis have already penetrated the bomb-making sites. Thanks to the Clinton war on Humint, the USA has almost no one in position to help. One of the best things Bush 43 did was to reinvigorate our intel Humint practices. Obama did nothing to help. When he took office, we had almost no field agents, and none teaching trade craft as handlers. The only intel we had coming in after two terms of Clinton was electronic intercepts and satellite imaging. Clinton's Congress even outlawed hiring third party people to provide intel. Democrats on the Intel committees bragged that we could intercept the cellphones the terrorists were using, so the terrorists stopped using them. We had nothing except what Israel gifted us.
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That Israel has penetrated these site is sure. But it's passive elements. None of them will ever do something material. They just give infos and they do it very carefuly.
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The better they are, the more they can do. Israeli agents are considered the best there is.

You gotta remember that operational actions are sometimes quite devious. I remember the story how a worker in a WWII plant took out a load of straw in a wheelbarrow everyday. They knew he was stealing, but taking home straw was permissible. After the war, he admitted he was stealing wheelbarrows.
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If an israeli agent is cought at an iranian plant smuggling bomb grade plutonium, he will just have to reply imitating Homer Simpson's voice: "I didn't notice it fell into my shirt"... S1
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(09-08-2016, 03:20 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: If an israeli agent is cought at an iranian plant smuggling bomb grade plutonium, he will just have to reply imitating Homer Simpson's voice: "I didn't notice it fell into my shirt"... S1

I think only the Clintons could use that successfully. S13
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It appears that nobody in the current regime wants to discuss the finer points of the Iranian deal that MacDaddy made with the Mullahs.

Obama Admin Covering Up Key Iran Deal Details in Final Days: Rubio spox: Senator looks forward to helping Trump shred Iran deal

The writer, Adam Kredo, who wrote the article, is interviewed by Buck Sexton right here.
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Trump hasn't done anything with it, so it might be that it is best for the US as well as Iran.

Netanyahu is either entirely ignorant of Jewish history since 586 BC and the Old Testament or he's a bad liar. It was the Persians that sent the Jews back home although most refused to leave.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-fm-says-...36454.html
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