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Mass Drowning of Migrants in the Mediterranean
#61
We have a vast desert .... you have the Mediterranean ... neither provide much in the way of 'natural' protection to sovereignty. A solution might come from the political realm ... and nobody has the balls to go there.

I can nearly guarantee you that Paladin's musician was here legally. The Obama Administration routinely blocks visa requests for less 'talented' displaced Christian refugees from camps in Jordan.

We've 'ingenuously' concocted a process in which benign (potentially) law abiding and beneficial immigrants are fully amalgamated with some of the most violent people currently existing in humanity. God help the EU if it doesn't find a better way. God help the U.S. if it doesn't find a better way.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#62
Jack, the reason why McDaddy is doing it is because he is hell bent on fundamentally transforming the US, the way he thinks it should be.





And he is using Fraud and Deceit in order to accomplish it.





The Euros have other types enablers.
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#63
Obama's got a very limited shelf life, frankly he'll be effectively irrelevant by this time next year. I really can't stand Trump, but he's managed to tap into an undercurrent of resistance to the stupidity that is our immigration policy ... and saying things that should be out in the open ... the kind the establishment likes to keep tamped down. I can't imagine that he didn't have some smart people researching his approach. If he could utter three consecutive sentences without throwing in some ad hoc bit of non-sense, he'd be a lot more effective. Hillary compared him to Hitler and his proposal to The Final Solution this last week. I used to be in firm belief that he's colluding with her ... but if he can push her into hysterical rhetoric ... maybe not. The fact that he's forcing Jeb to trip over his own dick with the "anchor baby" thing is pretty amusing as well.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#64
(08-29-2015, 11:59 AM)mr_yak Wrote: Obama's got a very limited shelf life, frankly he'll be effectively irrelevant by this time next year. I really can't stand Trump, but he's managed to tap into an undercurrent of resistance to the stupidity that is our immigration policy ... and saying things that should be out in the open ... the kind the establishment likes to keep tamped down. I can't imagine that he didn't have some smart people researching his approach. If he could utter three consecutive sentences without throwing in some ad hoc bit of non-sense, he'd be a lot more effective. Hillary compared him to Hitler and his proposal to The Final Solution this last week. I used to be in firm belief that he's colluding with her ... but if he can push her into hysterical rhetoric ... maybe not. The fact that he's forcing Jeb to trip over his own dick with the "anchor baby" thing is pretty amusing as well.

My exact thinking as well.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

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#65
Ron,

No, I have more manners than to be that stupid and insensitive and I have a tremendous amount of respect for this victim of American idiocy as well. Maybe you can watch a guy and his family suffer like this and the only thought you have is about his dead former leader and that only because he was opposed to us, I'm thinking about him and his family.



Maybe you can preach us a sermon on how the little people add up to shit with you if they are suffering because of US foreign affairs and throw in the bible verses for that doctrine for me. The Bible of the USA that is. The real Bible doesn't have stupid damned trash like that in it, just the American gospel version.

Fred,

If Saddam had been more democratic? Are you so stupid you believe that? He was on our wrong side because he did not kiss our ass like you Europeans do, that's the only reason.

Bahrain is hardly democratic and they kiss our ass and we love them, over and out. If Germany or Britain went to a dictator and still sucked our pecker, we'd still love Germany&Britain, too. I think you know this is true. Maybe some oif us are stupid enough not to, you know better.

Latest on the great anti ISIS campaign of the exceptional USA:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/...ing-camps/
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#66
(08-28-2015, 09:23 PM)mr_yak Wrote: ...I can nearly guarantee you that Paladin's musician was here legally.
When here legally, such immigrants have more than a fair shake. What is stopping him from being successful here? Why so angry because of his plight? What plight?

Dearborn, Michigan has the largest population of Middle Easterners outside of the Middle East. We don't see many of them panhandling. But there are many panhandlers who do so because it is lucrative, in itself.
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#67
I was told by someone who had done a study into panhandlers, that a typical professional panhandler will make over $30,000 a year. That's tax free, of course.
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#68
Palladin, all I said is that Iraqis knew how Saddam was and how he messed up with the West and how half insane he was and how it was not going to stay forever. They knew it. So I don't think that it's a surprise for this Iraqi fiddler. He knew it before the US dropped the first bomb on Iraq.

He got the job matching his professional skill. Anybody who would like to enter the music industry would end up playing in the streets and gather coins in a hat. You don't need to come from a war devastated country for that.

If he was engineer in the oil industry, he would work now on a fracking site and earn a pack of money. But he decided to play music instead. That's fine.

Also there is a difference between simply not kissing your ass and publicaly rejoicing on TV for the 9/11 terrorist attack. Saddam did a terrible mistake that day. He was responsible for his acts. But wars can start for even less important reason.
I'm not defending the war on Iraq. Just telling what happened.
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#69
That ain't why we invaded Iraq, Fred. Americans cheer lead massacres of Muslims everyday, what's the difference? Should all Muslims gang up and war on Americans?

Sarah Palin made a statement about "letting Allah sort out the Syrian dead" which if you know your European history, is borrowed from a statement that led to a massacre in France against the Cathars.

We often say things Hitler did and I just wonder personally what anyone of us would do with the same power Hitler had. It might shock us all to know.
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#70
I know. But muslims like Saddam didn't help prevent the american's blitzkrieg. I mean I think the US is able to tolerate when 2 or 3 countries are unaligned if they are not explicitely anti-US.
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#71
(08-30-2015, 12:58 PM)Palladin Wrote: ...Americans cheer lead massacres of Muslims everyday, what's the difference?

What are you talking about? I see attempts to slaughter Christians and Jews by Muslims, not the other way around. Some are so terrible that they try to slaughter their own if they may gain political power by doing so. The Koran said a Muslim cannot kill another Muslim, but the Jihadis seem to have missed that part.
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#72
William,

Every time we drop a bomb near populations, it is likely someone not a combatant gets harmed.

We don't care about those folks over here. "Collateral damage".

If we were at war for great moral stakes( like resisting ISIS), inadvertent civilian deaths are acceptable. We're not making war on anyone right now, there is a silly air campaign that apparently impresses some people ongoing against God knows who, it is not directed against ISIS.

Anyway, the point was people making stupid statements is not a cause for war from people who have a conscience. We make stupid statements about other people and they do us, not a cause for combat is the point.
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#73
Palladin Wrote:Anyway, the point was people making stupid statements is not a cause for war from people who have a conscience. We make stupid statements about other people and they do us, not a cause for combat is the point.
Sometimes when the statements are realy stupid and other things indicates that the stupid statements will be put into effect, it may be a good thing to prevent that.

Palladin Wrote:If we were at war for great moral stakes( like resisting ISIS), inadvertent civilian deaths are acceptable.
You don't know what you want...

Migrants are not coming with empty pockets

reuters Wrote:"I bought a ticket, why did they sell me the ticket and now there's no train?" said Murhaf, 27, at Vienna station. He had paid 350 euros to be smuggled in a private car from Budapest to Vienna and had now paid 159 euros for his train ticket.

I wonder why each time something difficult happens in Europe, some poeple are saying that it put the very existance of the EU at risk, or that it it's a sign of its demise?

Again we are in ace where a problem arises because someting hasn't been regulated at EU levels yet. We have a free movement zone but no common asylum policy. It was not necessary so far but it became urgently necessary now.
I'm sure a common asylum policy will be found and this will be one more step toward the EU's solidification.

Only when politicians are not reacting and not changing thing, their political entity is at risk. Europe is still active and adaptating.
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#74
Fred,

Yea I do. I don't believe in killing anyone for national interests, but, stopping ISIS is worthy of killing people. That's my view.

Since we've helped ISIS, it's somewhat a weird thought our kids might actually make war on them later though. I sure wouldn't be able to recruit to the US Army right now. "Go get your head cut off kid and help stop this monster we helped create!"
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#75
The military is led by a civilian political leader. If Obama wants to launch ISIS and call it ISIL so his Syrian investment can be ignored, the military must do as ordered. It is the role of the people to not elect stupid leaders. I think the people were swayed by a complicit media that did not vet Obama and created an image for election that was far from reality.

Part of that is because the Educational system was designed to confound and confuse the populace into being useful idiots for the Progressive machines. With a complicit media and dumbed-down educational system, what do you expect?
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#76
(08-31-2015, 10:25 PM)WmLambert Wrote: It is the role of the people to not elect stupid leaders. I think the people were swayed by a complicit media that did not vet Obama and created an image for election that was far from reality.

Twice!!??!!
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#77
Of course, twice. The media didn't become non-complicit, nor the people no longer useful idiots overnight.
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#78
William,

Your view of the military's role is the same Hitler and Stalin expected, i.e. "the military must do as ordered". I should think our soldiers might actually uphold their oaths.

There is nothing constitutional about making war when the legislative branch has not authorized it, so no soldier should have obeyed any orders relating to Syria or Libya. John understands this, he took the oath.

The military role is exactly the opposite, Obama should have been arrested by now if they upheld their oaths. This is not the USSR under Stalin.
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#79
Excellent!

Belgian local MR (center right - opposition) politician Wrote:[Image: 2017130493_B976422743Z.1_20150901182830_...8S.1-0.jpg]
The PS (Socialist Party) is saved new voters arrive !!!

The post has been removed from facebook, and rebuffed by the head of the MR party. But the guy is right on the money because the Left, the Far Left, the Socialists and the Greens (The Ecologists), especialy the Greens have been pushing very hard to ease immigration, especialy from poor non european countries. The reason is that poor poeple vote for the left usualy...

Zakhia Khattabi, a Green politiican woman of Marrocan origin responded angrily! LOL Gah S2

translated link
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#80
(09-01-2015, 09:56 AM)Palladin Wrote: ...Your view of the military's role is the same Hitler and Stalin expected, i.e. "the military must do as ordered".

That's just silly. A soldier must follow orders unless they are knowingly illegal. It is hard to tell sometimes, because sometimes orders aren't simple, and it isn't until much later that judgments are valid. It is the entire system that must prove itself legal over and over again.

Anyone, Hitler and Stalin included, are capable of over extending their authorities to get their way. It is the rest of the people, working together that balances out the rascals.

In the USA, alone of all countries in the world, the people have ultimate power. Sovereignty resides with the individual, not with the state. All other countries hope for a benevolent dictator, because with them, the state has sovereignty.
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