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Mass Drowning of Migrants in the Mediterranean
#41
Yes.
Thought, to be more acurate, I think the proportion of muslims could be less because more poeple from less islamized nations (Senegal, Mali, Burkina faso...) are coming.
Before it was almost 100% muslims because they all came from North Africa, I mean countries bordering the Med sea. Those non muslims from Black Africa were never too many and never caused any cultural problem.
Today, they come from further south where Islam is less important and where could come non-muslims. They are also black poeple, instead of whites from Algeria and Marroco. Blacks are always more tolerant with religion, I think. Blacks are more tribe oriented than religion/sect oriented.

It's interresting to see how easier it is for these poeple to travel very long distances by bus on unasphalted roads and by feet, making this huge detour through Lybia to reach Europe. They are literaly crossing Africa from weast to east at its largest. From Senegal to Lybia there are maybe 5000 km (4000 miles).

They spend an average of $1500 to reach Europe. This is like 30 months of salary in their country (and 3 hours of salary for an international attorney). But they come because they have no money... I don't understand...
Poeple who can make savings of $1500, even over several years, are by no means "poor" by African standards.

But one thing is sure: They are 99% of men. How many of them will bring a whife from Africa later is unkown. But clearly it's an almost all male migration. And this is in their culture: The male must go and bring money, while women stay at home.

And 99% of them don't have the elementary school certificate or equivalent. Fortunately many of them speak french fluently, and even quiet elaboratly.
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#42
The situation becomes very preoccupating. Not so much that 50 thousand landed on a Greek island last month or that many thousands more are flocking everyday at our gates, but that Greece, instead of moving them back to Turkey, they drove them to Europe's mainland.

IMo they do so because it's easier. They don't want 50,000 men rioting, going violent or dispersing in a chaotic manner. So they moved the problem to Macedonia.

Further north, Hungary is building a 3 meters high fence to countain the flow coming from Greece through the Blakans. The first such a fence since the tearing-up of the Iron Curtain. Thought migrants can still go trough Romania or Slovenia. IMO these two will also build fences ASAP.

Here are coiled barbed wires already in place before they build the real fence.
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The situation is critical because the number of migrants is rapidly increasing and not coming just from Syria where there is war, but from further south and further east (Pakistan, Afghanistan).

Most of them are men . I'm not against helping families, with women and children. But I have no mercy for men who left their family behind. These are not true refugees. (contrary to what pictures are showing. Reporters like to sensibilize with pictures of families with young children but these are the minority)

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#43
(08-22-2015, 05:49 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The situation becomes very preoccupating. Not so much that 50 thousand landed on a Greek island last month or that many thousands more are flocking everyday at our gates, but that Greece, instead of moving them back to Turkey, they drove them to Europe's mainland.

IMo they do so because it's easier. They don't want 50,000 men rioting, going violent or dispersing in a chaotic manner. So they moved the problem to Macedonia.

Further north, Hungary is building a 3 meters high fence to countain the flow coming from Greece through the Blakans. The first such a fence since the tearing-up of the Iron Curtain. Thought migrants can still go trough Romania or Slovenia. IMO these two will also build fences ASAP.

Fred, I suspect there is more to it than just that. Perhaps it is easier for them. But remember two things. Greece is ruled by Socialists, and Geeece also has a bone to pick with the EU over solvency. It is how they are getting back at the northern members, who have been making things hard in their quest to keep sucking on the EU public tit.

Here's another thing that I have stated before. Islam and Socialism go hand-in-hand. Its one huge incestuous relationship that never seems to quit giving. The more illegal refugees that enter, the harder it is for the EU to even be able to function. And it is going to bring the EU down even faster than I anticipated.

Now, if the EU somehow manages to get its act together, and begins deporting all of these Muslims, back where they belong, then perhaps they can keep things going a bit longer.

This is just one more reason to get rid of ISIS, don't you think? Shock
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#44
The instability is driving this just like instability in central America is flooding our borders . The difference is we are letting the refugees in and dispersing them across the entire continent and Europe is trying to corral their's.

They're going to get in, period. Even when Europeans during the Roman empire were willing to do mass slaughters, they still got in and they will now.

Wonder what created all this instability?
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#45
Yes. The Left, especialy the Greens (because I know them from Facebook) is hellbent on opening the borders and letting them all come here as they please. This is of course crazy.
Not only socialism and islamism are compatible. The far left doesn't believe in God but as Islam is concerned God is barely relevant. But socialism also need poor poeple to get elected into power. Poor poeple vote left usualy. And where do you find poor poeple? You get it.

Fortunately they are not followed by the center-left and what we can call the center-right. But we don't do enough against it and many politicians don't realize what's going on.

Greece is using this as a way to pressure the EU for bail out fund, but I also think that they are materialy unable to deal with refugee influx.
Tsipras has resigned. His party is split. They have no governement and fund just start arriving now. So far they didn't even have the money to pay police and army salaries. Banks wwere closed for one months.

So we have a combination of 3 factors.

More practicaly, the problem with Mediterranean Europe is that it's full of islands. It's easy to build fence on earth but you don't build fence at sea.
Sea connect poeple. Land divides, said one phylosopher I forgot the name.
Greece is the country of the world which counts the most of islands. It's very difficult to watch. And once they land on a piece of emerging rock which happens to belong to a EU state they have the right to fill for asylum demand and all the paper work and human-rightism that comes with it. There are legal frames which prohibit state from expelling refugees before the demand-rejection bureaucratic process is fully done.
It's changing but too slowly.

Palladin Wrote:They're going to get in, period.
Yes, but we have to means to slow their advance.

One thing everybody forgets is that if you don't want muslim migrants, you need to fight Islam where they come from. An idea that nobody seems to embrace. Nobody dares talking about it. but it's the only solution.

The Roman Empire failed by allowing foreign tribes in but the Romans did something good: They romanized the German and this created the base of medieval Europe.
I'm not talking even about christianism but about the secular roman culture like the art of Rethoric and poetry and still alive in the 6th century AD. This was incredibly important for a place ruled by nations which didn't even use writing and which the elite couldn't read. Nobody knows that fact but the secular Roman culture was what allowed civilisation to survive after the barbaric invasions.

We have to do it again this time, by not letting our culture being subdued by the barbaric one.
We need to teach middle east poeple non-islam, I mean a secular culture made of art, science and poetry. Then we win.
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#46
MV had a good point about the atheist left loving them some Islam. It's because the left has been conditioned on hating Christianity for so many centuries now and Islam to them is an ally in that, so they think Islam is an ally.

Muslims will chew up and spit out secular humanists when the day comes they can if it ever arrives and for everyone's sake, I hope it does not arrive.
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#47
(08-23-2015, 07:43 PM)Palladin Wrote: Muslims will chew up and spit out secular humanists when the day comes they can if it ever arrives and for everyone's sake, I hope it does not arrive.

Of course they will. After all, they are only fellow-travelers, or useful-idiots, take your pick. Hey, its all about the High Church of Collectivism to these fools.
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#48
Interesting article about Fellow Travelers and Useful Idiots. By and large everything written is correct, but I wonder why the author didn't tie the term "Fellow Travelers" to FDR. It was his collection of young radicals who traveled to Russia to worship at the feet of Stalin and coined the term. It was them who drove by the Potemkin Villages and saw painted building fronts pretending to show prosperity. They were the advisers who pushed FDR toward socialism as a "great" ideal. They said they could do it better, of course, but the only thing that slowed them down was FDR's own colossal ego and refusal to be easily led.
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#49
I don't know why useful idiots still exist myself...

Nobody here seems to understand that this time, the migration wave is different and much more important than anything in the past. There hasn't been so many wars, unrest and havoc in the Middle East since the Crusades. The number of refugees is exploding. More and more women and children are seen among the men who are traveling. This new because so far it was 99% men.
In my opinion only full families are true refugees and I agree to help these families. Not only it's the only humanly acceptable option but famillies are integrating much better than singles.
It's possible that they bring their families with them because there has been instructions in Macedonia to let families enter first (which is logical). But I'm not sure if it's the reaason. The reason is more that there is a real mess going on in Syria.

Now the thread title "Mass Drowning of Migrants in the Mediterranean" can be changed to "Mass Drowning of the Mediterranean in the Sea of Migrants"

more on this topic:

Up to 3,000 migrants are expected to cross into Macedonia every day
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#51
(08-23-2015, 09:49 PM)John L Wrote: fellow-travelers, or useful-idiots, take your pick.

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#5 Some people are already 'perfect' and #1-4 therefore need not apply to those perfect few.

Most likely that's the useful idiot part. Those that hasten the tide never imagine that they'd get washed away by it like everybody else.
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#52
Hey Fred,

I'm not sure that the masses of folks jumping aboard Chunnel freight cars and trucks (Calais I think?) ...with a number of falling off and them getting squashed in the process ... got mentioned here. Did the French finally get a handle on that one? I haven't seen much more about it. Sounded a lot like a European version of the "La Bestia" trains in Mexico.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#53
I wonder if anyone has thought that this may be the terrorist's act of sending huge numbers of Muslims into Western Europe in order to destabilize it, making it easier for Islam to conquer them? If the overwhelming numbers are young men, I wonder how many of them are going there as undercover agitators, and even future terrorists?

It all seems logical and entirely possible to me. Gah
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#54
(08-25-2015, 10:05 PM)John L Wrote: I wonder if anyone has thought that this may be the terrorist's act of sending huge numbers of Muslims into Western Europe in order to destabilize it, making it easier for Islam to conquer them?

It doesn't really look like that. The pictures seem almost identical to the kids riding the Mexican death trains ... more head scarves though.

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#55
More women and children are coming. According to last estimates, one third of migrant would be women and children. This is a very recent change. It means that populations are realy leaving islamoland.
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#56
You don't need TWD* anymore. Reality became worse than fiction: Europe's Refugees Crisis and When Refrigerators Broke Down




* The Walking Dead serie (TWD)
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#57
(08-27-2015, 07:10 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: You don't need TWD* anymore. Reality became worse than fiction: Europe's Refugees Crisis and When Refrigerators Broke Down
* The Walking Dead serie (TWD)

Why the reference to Walking Dead? Those sound like pretty stationary dead to me. That sort of thing happens all the time along the south U.S. border. Abandoned semis and U-Hauls ... often they find them with a few still clinging to life ... often not. I wouldn't be surprised if as many as 20% end up dying when they cross our Southern deserts .... or get accidentally killed falling off a train ... or deliberately murdered by gangs in Mexico when robbed or don't have extortion money or their family can't pay the kidnappers. I didn't tally up the numbers on this one but here's a sampling ... And that's only the bodies they find intact before they turn to coyote shit.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#58
This is a human migration wave of unprecedented proportions at least in recent history. They are not going to be held out either. You can forget that.

10 years from now when Europe is a different polity with a pretty large minority of Muslims, I think everyone but the most idiotic of humans are going to figure out why "stability" is so significant globally.

George Bush and Barack Obama didn't appreciate stability and this is partially the result of that along with the even more brain dead Europeans who supported what we have done since post 1990.

Best Solution left? Guide most of them to Bosnia and pay Bosnia to settle them.

Anyway, last night my family met a former member of the Baghdad Orchestra in Knoxville. Playing at Market Square Mall hoping for tips, playing his violin.

Imagine that, this kind little Iraqi gentleman is reduced to the embarrassment of playing for tips from the same people that destroyed the ancient city's social contract he was raised in.

I was fearful my son would mention he served the military that made life in that ancient city unbearable. The misery of humanity caused by our brainless conduct lately should be known by all here,not just in Europe and the near east.

This is my first time seeing the reality of it in person, this gentleman was a prominent Baghdad citizen and he's reduced to this pitiful display.

I could not be more ashamed of myself(for being a red blooded American exceptionalism type most my life) standing in this man's presence and hearing him play his violin for my family.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...alone.html
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#59
Did you ask him if he was glad that Saddam Hussein and his psychopathic sons were ousted from power?
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#60
Palladin Wrote:last night my family met a former member of the Baghdad Orchestra in Knoxville.
So he was an official musician for Saddam Hussein, a dictator who killed half a million poeple?
Did you ask him what was his link with the former regime (relative, friends, business...) so that he could have got this job?
I understand that poeple want to play music and earn money in an official way if possible. But had Saddam been more democratic he would still sit at the Baghad Orchestra.
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