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Middle East Meltdown, Pt. 3
#1
Continued from Part 2
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#2
(08-23-2014, 06:00 PM)John L Wrote: If MacDaddy doesn't go down as the worst president in history, he will be the luckiest SOB in history. He's so G-d Damned Brilliant, he's just plain stupid.

If things remain relatively static his 'legacy' will (arguably) be defensible, however, if things really begin to unravel ... 'organized' Major attacks on U.S. soil, graphic destruction in Afghanistan (video taped mass rape/executions of students at girls schools), a full blown civil war/ground war in Iraq with Iran being forced invade/intervene to "pick up the slack" ... reversing course and realigning with Assad in Syria to deal with the shitheads that have taken root there, publicly taking a crap on Benjamin Netanyahu's head ... allowing Russia to completely overrun Eastern Europe, allowing Chinese hegemony in Asia along with new wars and skirmishes involving Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, etc.. a big up tick in rapes, murders, child sex trafficking etc... by 'immigrants' crossing the U.S. border ... a tanking economy that puts us back on the brink of another Great Depression ... monetary policy that puts us on par with Argentina ... the collapse of the power grid due to inattention to hazards clearly defined by scientists and some members of Congress (from solar flares, sabotage, aging infrastructure, reduced capability from the shut down of coal based power plants, extremely bad winters not predicted by "climate models" etc ...) ... declaration of martial law to facilitate gun control measures or confiscation of other private property ... preemptive pardons for Lois Lerner ... Eric Holder ... etc ... massive raced based civil unrest ... then yes, he's very, very unlikely to make the upper tier. But you DO realize that there is maybe 20-30% percent of the population that will argue that this was simply "bad luck" or better yet "Bush's Fault!" don't you? Clinton is making drastic efforts to distance herself from her old 'boss' ... if he were really perceived as a 'good' President, that probably wouldn't be so keenly apparent would it? He's gonna be a very hard act [for a Democrat] to follow John. S5
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#3
Quote: allowing Chinese hegemony in Asia

oh, not this, the golfer is making clear that he is about to attack China too... just in:

U.S. Sends Second Carrier to Asia Amid Tensions with China.
Sodomia delenda est

#4
(08-23-2014, 09:29 PM)mv Wrote:
Quote: allowing Chinese hegemony in Asia

oh, not this, the golfer is making clear that he is about to attack China too... just in:

U.S. Sends Second Carrier to Asia Amid Tensions with China.

pfft.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#5
(08-23-2014, 09:29 PM)mv Wrote:
Quote: allowing Chinese hegemony in Asia

oh, not this, the golfer is making clear that he is about to attack China too... just in:

U.S. Sends Second Carrier to Asia Amid Tensions with China.

Shouldn't all this fantasy be
S13S6
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#6
We moved carriers around after the Syrian "red line was crossed" ... right up to the point that Obama realized he was out-gamed and turned things over to Putin. What exactly are we planning to do with our carriers in Asia? Replay some scene from "Top Gun"?

I outlined a dozen or more things that can fly far beyond this Administration's control in the next couple of years. The terror threat looms large ... mostly because it's right up front and center ... along with the reality of our de facto open borders policy ... and the fact that we're supposed to be completely secure with NSA listening to virtually every call made from wishing granddad a happy birthday to every dial up of the porn lines. If we were paying much attention to any of these risks it might seem surprising for some disaster to erupt. The fact that considerations of most are preempted by fundraisers and golf games turns the possibility into something like a roulette wheel ... round and round she goes ... where she stops ... no one knows ... but for sure, it will stop on something that bodes ill. I guarantee that Hillary has an entire staff working on each and every one of these scenarios and carefully crafting all the reasons why none of it is her fault ... and/or documenting her shrewd 'hawkish' warnings that might have spared us.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#7
McCain would have been a far bigger FP disaster than Obama. Imagine that clown was our POTUS.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2014...-abu-mosa/

It's a good question what Obama thinks another carrier would do in the Pacific. In case no one noticed it, China just laid down a marker and openly told us to stop spying on them. They don't fear the US and if Obama doesn't watch out, we'll have a carrier on the bottom of the sea, those things are vulnerable as he.ll.

We're rapidly losing the ability to be able to preach to others and enforce it. The aura is gone, Iraq demonstrated the limits of our reach. China, Russia and terrorists scoff at us. We're either going to lose our ego and back off internationally or we're going to pay the piper.

I don't want to pay.
#8
The bills must be paid. QED.

Quote:McCain would have been a far bigger FP disaster than Obama. Imagine that clown was our POTUS.

Vote straight ticket for democrats this year and 2016. Lesser "disgusting".
Sodomia delenda est

#9
(08-25-2014, 11:52 AM)mv Wrote: The bills must be paid. QED.

Quote:McCain would have been a far bigger FP disaster than Obama. Imagine that clown was our POTUS.

Vote straight ticket for democrats this year and 2016. Lesser "disgusting".

Why not just vote your conscience instead?
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#10
Looks like Jihadi John has been identified. And its that rapper I mentioned on another post.

Beheader of American Journalist “Jihadi John” identified

Isn't he sweet looking?

[Image: jihad_1090282k.jpg]

Quote:MI5 and MI6 have identified the British fighter suspected of murdering the American journalist James Foley, senior government sources confirmed last night.

The masked man with a London accent, who is said to be known to fellow fighters as the beheader “Jihadi John”, was seen in the shocking video of Foley’s death released by the Isis extremist army last week.

While sources gave no details of the man they have identified, a key suspect is Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary, 23, who left his family’s £1m home in Maida Vale, west London, last year. He recently tweeted a picture of himself holding up a severed head.

Writing in The Sunday Times today Philip Hammond, the foreign secretary, says Isis is “turning a swathe of Iraq and Syria into a terrorist state as a base for launching attacks on the West”. Unless the terrorists are stopped, he warns that “sooner or later they will seek to strike us on British soil”.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#11
mv Wrote:oh, not this, the golfer is making clear that he is about to attack China too... just in:

U.S. Sends Second Carrier to Asia Amid Tensions with China.
U.S. Sends Second Carrier to Asia Amid Tensions with Ukrainia.
...would be more accurate.

Mr Y Wrote:If things remain relatively static his 'legacy' will (arguably) be defensible, however, if things really begin to unravel ... 'organized' Major attacks on U.S. soil, graphic destruction in Afghanistan (video taped mass rape/executions of students at girls schools), a full blown civil war/ground war in Iraq with Iran being forced invade/intervene to "pick up the slack" ... reversing course and realigning with Assad in Syria to deal with the shitheads that have taken root there, publicly taking a crap on Benjamin Netanyahu's head ... allowing Russia to completely overrun Eastern Europe, allowing Chinese hegemony in Asia along with new wars and skirmishes involving Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, Vietnam, etc.. a big up tick in rapes, murders, child sex trafficking etc... by 'immigrants' crossing the U.S. border ... a tanking economy that puts us back on the brink of another Great Depression ... monetary policy that puts us on par with Argentina ... the collapse of the power grid due to inattention to hazards clearly defined by scientists and some members of Congress (from solar flares, sabotage, aging infrastructure, reduced capability from the shut down of coal based power plants, extremely bad winters not predicted by "climate models" etc ...) ... declaration of martial law to facilitate gun control measures or confiscation of other private property ... preemptive pardons for Lois Lerner ... Eric Holder ... etc ... massive raced based civil unrest ... then yes, he's very, very unlikely to make the upper tier. But you DO realize that there is maybe 20-30% percent of the population that will argue that this was simply "bad luck" or better yet "Bush's Fault!" don't you? Clinton is making drastic efforts to distance herself from her old 'boss' ... if he were really perceived as a 'good' President, that probably wouldn't be so keenly apparent would it? He's gonna be a very hard act [for a Democrat] to follow John.
The US as seen worse in the last two decades.

Palladin Wrote:McCain would have been a far bigger FP disaster than Obama. Imagine that clown was our POTUS.
While true, this is not even in the equation at the moment.

The problem is slwolyness. Always one war too late.

Palladin Wrote:Iraq demonstrated the limits of our reach.
No it showed instead that US leadership stupidity has no limit.

The military reach in Iraq was very impressive. Stupidity even more. Limitless is the word.
#12
(08-25-2014, 03:31 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: The US as seen worse in the last two decades.

Pretty sure that we've not seen the worst of it. Obama has abandoned all pretext of operating within constraints. GAO states fairly clearly that the Administration acted illegally in the Bergdahl exchange. The Administration's response is essentially ... so what? Now we have this weird juxtaposition of a President that is semi-detached ... except when he acts to achieve his specific aims ... and doesn't give a crap about ignoring Constitutional restraints. I'm sure the rest of the world could care less about his violation of our laws ... but it's not limited to this ... if he doesn't respect the law, so why would he bother honoring treaties? ... abandoning alliances? ... violating international precedents? ... etc ... No one has any clue or inkling about what 'strategies' he may attempt to apply in the next couple of years. I'm surprised that he hasn't announced the new cabinet position "Czar of Cluster F*cks" to keep track of it all. The only thing for certain is that his Swan Song is going to sound like fingernails on a chalk board ... both domestically and abroad.

John,
Regarding "Jihadi John", he sure ain't no bin Laden. I would not be surprised if he isn't pink misted within a few weeks. I can't imagine the local shitheads hold him in much 'esteem' ... I doubt they 'value' his mad rapping skills. We wouldn't pay $130 Million for Foley, but I would guess this guys pals would give him up for a very tiny fraction of that ... or maybe some "gentleman's agreement" for something else. The shitheads would get some pittance and the Obama Administration ... or more likely MI5 and MI6 would get a little war trophy to boost morale. Cameron is probably pissed and/or embarrassed enough to make it worth somebody's while. Either way, I would guess the guy's probably not sleeping very soundly these days.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#13
Quote: or maybe some "gentleman's agreement" for something else.

Like perhaps not cutting off his head just yet?
Sodomia delenda est

#14
Free Stratfor:

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/iraq-and-...-precedent
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#15
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-dema...man-2014-8
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#16
Incidentally, also from Businessinsider.com, here is some news on the Kurd's war against ISIS(or whatever).

Here's The Aftermath Of The Victorious Battle Against ISIS For Mosul Dam

And note that the writer not only discusses the peshmerga, but also the Iraqi military(ISF). But I would be surprised if they were actually taking part in the retaking of the dam. This is clearly a Kurdish effort.

[Image: BvldyaEIUAA25_8.jpg:large]

And even more positive is the job being done by the Syrian Kurdish militia, the YPG, which seems to be the best led Kurdish units in the overall conflict. How Kurdish Militias Have Successfully Fought Off the Islamic State. And over 25 percent of them are women.

YPG: Nearly 700 Islamic Militants Killed in Kobane Fighting in July
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#17
Palladin Wrote:McCain would have been a far bigger FP disaster than Obama. Imagine that clown was our POTUS.
You mean this Mc Cain
After Obama he would have made a good candidate for POTUS indeed. (not sure if he can legagly cumulate with his ISIS functions, but no birth certificate issue here, and that's the more important)
#18
This Douglas McAuthur McCain:

[Image: 140826-american-jihadi-cropped-jhc-1043_...20-700.jpg]

probably a son... what a tragedy! S4
Sodomia delenda est

#19
(08-25-2014, 11:38 PM)mv Wrote:
Quote: or maybe some "gentleman's agreement" for something else.

Like perhaps not cutting off his head just yet?

Not exactly ...
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#20
mv,

Regarding non-indigenous jihadi like the two mentioned above ... one splatted ... one probably on schedule to be splatted, what are the odds that SIGINT is vigorously being scoured for shitheads with Brit, Euro and/or U.S. accents or mention of a list of suspects? These are repeatedly trotted out as the most serious security risks to Western countries (have valid passport, training and chip on shoulder ... will travel). Perhaps there is some minimal effort to do a little housekeeping to tamp down some risk? Out of curiosity, is there any mention of Russian born jihadi? It would be a very odd twist ... haven't ever heard much about them if they exist.

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/...tml#page=1

PuffPo is reporting that the FBI is 'investigating' Mr. McCain's demise. From the article above, the FBI has a task force in charge of tracking these guys. From a security standpoint, it would be very convenient for them to have 'accidents' as they conduct their jihad. And if the price is sharing some intelligence with Assad that facilitates those ends? ... hmmm? I would also figure they'd be worth at least the price of a Hellfire missile from a U.S. drone. Probably can't take down the entire "Islamic State" that way ... but dealing with prodigal sons is likely another matter. What do you suppose the odds are that the Justice Dept. has wised up enough NOT to be writing briefs on the 'legality' of such actions?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken


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