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Middle East Meltdown, Pt. 3
#21
Quote:Out of curiosity, is there any mention of Russian born jihadi? It would be a very odd twist ... haven't ever heard much about them if they exist.

They sure do. Primarily Chechens, but also other Muslim nationalities in Russia and even some ethnic Russian converts (happens too).

Some of the Islamist leaders in Syria year ago were such Chechens... we should have photos on this thread... donno what happened to them lately, I stopped following the Syrian war in details.
The diff with Europe is that it is easy for them to go...hard to return, Kadyrov kills them.
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#22
(08-26-2014, 09:41 PM)mv Wrote: The diff with Europe is that it is easy for them to go...hard to return, Kadyrov kills them.

We ain't got no Kadyrov. We can't even ship them off to Cuba. Gotta find more sneaky creative ways. If there are maybe 100 or so with U.S. passports, the guy above represents a 1% success rate. And given the competence of our current government, that's a stellar result.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#23
Kadyrov is an interesting character... he is a former rebel and Islamist himself... but what is religious nonsense comparing to having real power?

King Rat I think is the term.
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#24
I can't find the article again, but, one guy holds that the only way to handle ISIS is for the USA to bully Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey financially to the same extent we did Germany in 1940, including threats to anyone who does business with them if they do not fully comply.

Then, empower the shiites of the peninsula to slaughter the ISIS and any sunni who looks crosseyed at ISIS.

We could do that and it would succeed.

Problem with this prescription is, the USA might be why ISIS is so talented, IMO. The author of that article doesn't consider that part of the paradigm.

I don't believe they could have the fighting discipline they do have w/o a major league actor helping them and I don't think Turkey alone is responsible for that even though Turkey is a big time ISIS supporter.

I think every weapon they have came via Turkey's borders along with all their outside actors. Where does the training and guidance come from? Turkey? USA? Anyone got other ideas?
#25
The guy is in idiot, on multiple counts.

Firstly, Saudi Arabia opposes ISIS and all similar groupings, consistently, and far more than the US does. Why not bully NZ instead?

Secondly, ISIS now will do fine without Turkey and Qatar support which is minimal at most. *Talking* to Turkey and Qatar nicely a year ago might have done something, the time is past.

Thirdly, every time the US interferes in the ME (and everywhere else) things go from bad to worse.... because of idiots like this one existing and other idiots following their recommendations. Erdogan already does not take telephone calls from the Simian (over something else), even verbal hints of threats will make him more hostile (do I mind -- no).
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#26


US Coast Guard boat fires on Iran-flagged vessel in Persian Gulf.

Smart move, Simian....
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#27
(08-27-2014, 07:48 AM)Palladin Wrote: I can't find the article again, but, one guy holds that the only way to handle ISIS is for the USA to bully Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey financially to the same extent we did Germany in 1940, including threats to anyone who does business with them if they do not fully comply.

Then, empower the shiites of the peninsula to slaughter the ISIS and any sunni who looks crosseyed at ISIS.

We could do that and it would succeed.

Problem with this prescription is, the USA might be why ISIS is so talented, IMO. The author of that article doesn't consider that part of the paradigm.

I don't believe they could have the fighting discipline they do have w/o a major league actor helping them and I don't think Turkey alone is responsible for that even though Turkey is a big time ISIS supporter.

I think every weapon they have came via Turkey's borders along with all their outside actors. Where does the training and guidance come from? Turkey? USA? Anyone got other ideas?

Don't know who the guy is ... but a more viable alternative might be a repeat of the Iran-Iraq war along sectarian lines. That was good for a couple million casualties. Throw Syria in and spin things up and it could be good for maybe twice that many. It's already acting as a magnet for militants from all over the globe ... like a moth to the flame ... including the kid from Chicago. The problem is controlling the flame. The Bush model was spreading democracy in the ME. The new model is "Militants check in, but they don't check out!" Obama really isn't equipped to play this successfully. If it can be kept on slow boil for another two and a half years, we might have an executive equipped to execute the Roach Motel maneuver. The hat trick would be to find a way to keep Kurds, Christians and anyone else that isn't totally suicidal out of the mix.

... spin Iran and Saudi Arabia up with nukes and it might be possible to put a real dent in the fender.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#28
(08-27-2014, 05:05 PM)mv Wrote: US Coast Guard boat fires on Iran-flagged vessel in Persian Gulf..

Not to dis our Navy, but can you imagine how much piracy could be reduced if ALL sail boats were equipped with .50s? Commercial vessels as well? How do you suppose the tale of "Captain Roberts" might have gone if they had one mounted on the stern? From the sound of it, it ended pretty well. One shot fired across their bow ... everybody disengaged ... everybody got to go home.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#29
For the very life of me, I am trying to understand just what a US Coast Guard ship is doing over there. I thought they were supposed to be safeguarding our own coast.

I thought all that foreign stuff was the responsibility of the US Navy. Where am I wrong here? Shock
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#30
(08-27-2014, 11:03 PM)John L Wrote: For the very life of me, I am trying to understand just what a US Coast Guard ship is doing over there. I thought they were supposed to be safeguarding our own coast.

I thought all that foreign stuff was the responsibility of the US Navy. Where am I wrong here? Shock

Quote:Any storm in a port ...

They played a role in Vietnam as well ... I'm not certain what portion of their charter enables things like this. They are part of DOD. As such, they probably follow orders.

Correction to comment above, it would not be dissing the Navy ... directly .. it would be dissing the Coast Guard. Anyway, our merchant ships and private yachts, particularly those in proximity to Somalia should probably be entitled to the equivalent armament as a semi-ancient Iranian fishing vessel.
[Image: A-dhow.jpg]

John Kerry's yacht probably has multiple phalanx systems on line even when it's just traversing New England.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#31
mv Wrote:Firstly, Saudi Arabia opposes ISIS and all similar groupings,
Saudi Arabia opposed al-Qaida, but they never opposed ISIS. The reason is that tha ISIS doesn't opposes Saudi Arabia.
Mr Yak Wrote:... but a more viable alternative might be a repeat of the Iran-Iraq war along sectarian lines. That was good for a couple million casualties. Throw Syria in and spin things up and it could be good for maybe twice that many. It's already acting as a magnet for militants from all over the globe ... like a moth to the flame ... including the kid from Chicago. The problem is controlling the flame. The Bush model was spreading democracy in the ME. The new model is "Militants check in, but they don't check out!" Obama really isn't equipped to play this successfully. If it can be kept on slow boil for another two and a half years, we might have an executive equipped to execute the Roach Motel maneuver. The hat trick would be to find a way to keep Kurds, Christians and anyone else that isn't totally suicidal out of the mix.

... spin Iran and Saudi Arabia up with nukes and it might be possible to put a real dent in the fender.
I agree with this alternative + it will makes eveyone happy since killing each others is what they want the most.

Y Wrote:Out of curiosity, is there any mention of Russian born jihadi?
There are plenty but by russian logic they are not called russian anymore. They are called muslims and who is muslim can't be russian.
Because to be russian you must follow the russian christian orhtodox religion (not the Ukrainian one because that will makes you a nazi).
Jews, catholic, baptists and Tatars also don't coun't as Russian.


foxnews Wrote:Cmdr. Stevens said the crew of the dhow aimed a .50 caliber machine gun at the Coast Guard boat, demonstrating "hostile intent." In response, the small Coast Guard boat fired a single shot. The incident occurred around 11:30 a.m. local time, Cmdr. Stevens said.
End of story. S5
#32
Chechens are fighting US soldiers in Afghanistan, Syrian Army in Syria, and as jihadis in Iraq. Chechens aren't Russians, because when dealing with Europeans, we go by ethnic distinctions. They are their own ethnic group.
#33
There are many muslims who are not Chechen in Russia, that's what I mean.
And Europe has only two ethnic groups: The Europeans and the non-Europeans. S5
#34
Americans Fighting For ISIS Could Face Array Of Criminal Charges

Then again we would could simply pink mist them ... or help others do so ... I think the current tally in Syria is up to three.

Are the Europeans or Russians (or non-Russian Chechens) making as big a deal out of their wayward citizens getting splatted the way the American press is?? Getting a great deal of attention here. Wonder if that sort of thing is mirrored in Europe? The knife/sword happy Brit got a lot of buzz, but he hasn't been killed yet. I'm not aware of any analogous stories to our recent Minnesota martyr.

Regarding Iran/Iraq WII ... I wonder how tenuous things would need to get before Iran got on a roll? Baghdad? ... farther south into oil territory? If there is U.S. intervention ... which is a BIG if ... it seems like it would be directed primary to protect the far north in favor of the Kurds, etc... Seems like the rest of Iraq (particularly the Shia part) is pretty much on it's own. I would expect there would be some point at which Iran would find it necessary to act. I wonder what their 'redline' might be?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
#35
You know, as much as it likely isn't good that Americans are fighting for ISIS, at least they are being interesting adventurers, which is more than I can say for a majority of apathetic and listless Americans who can only muster the effort to be wrapped up in some ice bucket challenge crap.
#36
(08-29-2014, 12:59 AM)Gunnen4u Wrote: You know, as much as it likely isn't good that Americans are fighting for ISIS, at least they are being interesting adventurers, which is more than I can say for a majority of apathetic and listless Americans who can only muster the effort to be wrapped up in some ice bucket challenge crap.

Putting one's education on hold, and heading 'over there' to balance out the equation, would obviously be the manly thing to do Tait. S22
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#37
Looks like the Kurds are proving to be a bit more sophisticated in playing the import-Export business. S13

Disputed Kurdish oil tanker mysteriously goes dark off Texas coast.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#38
And there is this little tidbit: Report: Pope Francis Is ‘In The Crosshairs Of ISIS’.

Quote:A new report claims that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is targeting Pope Francis — a report that the Vatican says is simply not true.

According to Il Tempo, Israeli sources reportedly told the Italian newspaper that the pope is “in the crosshairs of ISIS.” The report stated that Francis is being targeted because he is “the greatest exponent of the Christian religions” and the “bearer of false truth.”

The Vatican, though, denounced the report.

“There is nothing serious to this,” Father Federico Lombardi S.J., a Vatican spokesman, told Catholic News Agency. “There is no particular concern in the Vatican. This news has no foundation.”

The Catholic News Agency reports that Italy has issued a nationwide terror alert, despite no imminent threats or specifics about a potential attack on the country.

On Friday, Britain raised the terror threat level from substantial to severe, meaning that a terrorist attack is considered highly likely.

One of the things I have been stressing for several years now, is that Rome, and then perhaps Paris, will be the two primary targets for nuclear terrorism. And Rome will be the run-away leader, because it is the official home of Christiandom.

And just because the Vatican has poo-pooed the report, it doesn't mean it isn't true. I am absolutely certain that Islamo-Kooks would love nothing more than to totally destroy the Vatican, and if it includes several million extra Italians, all the better. If you think there was a lot of dancing in the streets following 9/11, imagine what a mushroom cloud over the Vatican would generate.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

#39
The SA part of that articled is that they have funded the widespread adherence to Wahhabi style Islam globally and successfully such that more Muslim males are interested in jihad.

From that view, attacking ISIS without shutting down SA,s outreach program is a flawed approach.

Attacking Turk and Qatari direct support is the next step, then empowering the Shia to destroy not only ISIS,but, any Sunni who breathes a word of jihad in this generation again gets the job finished.

At the end of that decade long process, both sides will be tired.
#40
(08-30-2014, 02:55 PM)Palladin Wrote: At the end of that decade long process, both sides will be tired.

... and probably irradiated ...
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken


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