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Global cooling, er, I mean warming, er, wait...PT. 2
#41
January/Feb Weather in November.

High of 11°F on Wed.
Low of 5°F on Tues. (night)

Balmy!!
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#42
Jack, I wonder what the weather conditions are like, just outside and to the west, of Omaha? The Buzz lives there. And I wonder what he is thinking about all this global warming? Do you think he blames all the 'so called' AGW Denialists for all this? S13

Oh, and would you like a good reason why things are going to hell in a climate hand-basket? Just compare this, and the three previous solar cycles. This cycle(24) has had a protracted secondary spurt, but it is time for the downturn to start in earnest. And compare this one to 21 and 22 and you can see why we are cooling down.

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#43
(11-11-2014, 02:05 AM)John L Wrote: Jack, I wonder what the weather conditions are like, just outside and to the west, of Omaha? The Buzz lives there. And I wonder what he is thinking about all this global warming? Do you think he blames all the 'so called' AGW Denialists for all this? S13

Dunno. They've dropped the forecast here to about 7°F for the "high temperature" tomorrow and down to about zero for tomorrow morning. I'm waiting for Tait to call me a big fat pussy ... as he's dealing with shit that's about 20 degrees colder. Shock

There is a bell curve of people that prepare for the cold. Most reasonable people had their sprinkler systems blown out about a month or two ago ... but it's been fairly nice here in the past few weeks and at least a few people were still watering their lawns. Gonna cost some big cash come spring time. I potted one of my remaining pepper plants on Sunday and brought it in. It's pretty much a death sentence for everything else. I don't think many people realize how 'fragile' food is until they've grown it in a climate where you have to thread the needle in 4-5 months. If the window drops down to 3, I'm gonna be pretty screwed ... along with a whole lot of other people.
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#44
Yep, just a Dalton Minimum would be enough to totally screw up the growing season world wide. And as you stated earlier about Russia in the pinch over a cooling globe, this is going to lead to massive starvation, especially in northern areas that have been accustomed to good growing seasons. And that means Russia and Canada are going to be in a real bind. I can just see the Duckbutt trying to pull a fast one on Mother Nature. S13
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#45
Odd thing is, we had no summer at all and so far our October/November has been nothing. Not hot, not cold, summer or fall. Didn't even have normal humidity here this summer.
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#46
(11-11-2014, 10:22 PM)John L Wrote: .... Russia and Canada are going to be in a real bind.

Canada has a solid history as a resource supplier and trading partner to world economies ... and a close ally in two world wars ... as well as the cold war and Afghanistan ... rather than merely being adversarial nuclear hermit state or an Oligarchy that holds it's customers hostages. Potash Corporation of Saskatchewan is one of if not THE largest fertilizer companies in the world. If it remains operable it's an absolute gold mine if the climate "goes south" If it's operations were disrupted, the impact on marginal agriculture throughout the world would be enormous. It's a total mistake to lump these two nations together. The world is more than happy to invest capital in Canada ... I don't recall any history of widespread famine, catastrophe and social upheaval associated with our neighbors to the North. Canada's economy is growing. Russia's is pretty much at full stop (as cited by CBR). One is a fully integrated, integral part of the Western economy ... the other? ... is "decoupling".
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#47
Actually, I was just bringing them both up because they are occupying such a huge amount of northern land. There's the Scandinavian countries as well. All are going to be in trouble, unless they take the time to build greenhouses on a grand scale.

Of course, if we ever manage to get a few space elevators working, we could do most of our agricultural production in O'Neill Cylinders, and not have to worry about little ice ages, or major glaciation periods, for that matter.
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#48
In a pinch a lower tech solution would be to begin enforcing the "open borders" policy that Mexico has been demanding ... whether they still wanted it or not. We could express our good intentions with a big parade of tanks and artillery ... and perhaps following Putin's lead by referring to Mexico as "NovoUSA". We could provide the gift of stability and order ... and perhaps increase their agricultural output by an order of magnitude ... depending on whether or not cartel thugs and gang bangers make suitable fertilizer and soil amendments. S24
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#49
There is a portion of Canada that is south of the USA. Nearby where I live, Windsor, Ontario, is actually south of Detroit, Michigan. Windsor weathermen are fond of saying, "A cold front blowing in from the United States, is expected to send our temperatures plummeting." S1
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#50
Here is something I just received from Newsmax that finally makes sense of the way weather and climate really are:

Climatologist: 30-Year Cold Spell Strikes Earth
Sunday, 16 Nov 2014 07:46 PM
By Clayton B. Reid

With nasty cold fronts thrusting an icy and early winter across the continental U.S. — along with last winter described by USA Today as "one of the snowiest, coldest, most miserable on record" — climatologist John L. Casey thinks the weather pattern is here to stay for decades to come.

In fact, Casey, a former space shuttle engineer and NASA consultant, is out with the provocative book Dark Winter: How the Sun Is Causing a 30-Year Cold Spell, which warns that a radical shift in global climate is underway, and that Al Gore and other environmentalists have it completely wrong The earth, he says, is cooling, and cooling fast.

. . . .

Casey says the evidence is clear that the earth is rapidly growing colder because of diminished solar activity.

He says trends indicate we could be headed for colder temperatures similar to those seen in the late 1700s and early 1800s when the sun went into a "solar minimum" — a phenomenon with significantly reduced solar activity, including solar flares and sunspots.

. . . .

Dark Winter posits that a 30-year period of cold has already begun. Frigid temperatures, and food shortages that inevitably result, could lead to riots and chaos.

Casey tells Newsmax, "All you have to do is trust natural cycles, and follow the facts; and that leads you to the inevitable conclusion that the sun controls the climate, and that a new cold era has begun." Casey is president of the Space and Science Research Corp., an Orlando, Fla., climate research firm.

His new book debunks global warming orthodoxy. For over a decade, he reports, the planet's oceans have been cooling. And since 2007, the atmospheric temperature has been cooling as well.

"The data is pretty solid," Casey says. "If you look at the 100-year global temperature chart, you look at the steep drop off we've had since 2007, it's the steepest drop in global temperatures in the last hundred years."

So how can the media and scientific elites make a case for global warming when it's actually cooling?

Casey suggests climate-change theorists have simply wedded themselves to the wrong theory, namely, that global temperatures respond to the level of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

. . . .

The environmental left focuses instead on ever-rising greenhouse emissions, suggesting nature is just taking a bit of a breather before the upward march in temperatures ineluctably resumes.

"There are two fundamental flaws with that," Casey says. "No. 1, the greenhouse-gas theory, and the global climate models that they produced, never permitted a pause. As long as CO2 levels were going up, the only thing that could happen was global temperatures could go up. That has not happened.

"No. 2, there could absolutely be no cooling, much less a pause. And yet we've been cooling for 11 years now."

. . . .

If Dark Winter is right, that means the nation is busily preparing for the wrong calamity.

"We don't have 10 years," Casey warns. "We've squandered during President Obama's administration eight years . . . and we didn't have eight years to squander."

The worst of the cooling cycle, Casey predicts, will hit in the late 2020s and the early 2030s.

Food riots will break out, demand for heating oil will spike, and the failure of the corn crop will put the squeeze on ethanol.

He even predicts the United States will ban agricultural exports to feed its own citizens.

When Casey developed his theories in 2007, he emerged with several predictions.

Rising temperatures would begin to reverse themselves within three years. The sun would enter a phase of reduced activity he called "solar hibernation." And oceanic and atmospheric temperatures would enter a long decline.

So far, all of Casey's predictions have come true. He says, "My theory tells you when it will be cold . . . and it is the cold that kills."

Casey also posits that a long-term cold spell will have dire effects on the earth's geology.

As air and ocean temperatures, the earth's crust begins changing, leading to more volcanic activity and earthquakes. Casey notes that the worst earthquake to strike the continental U.S. in modern times was in 1812 at New Madrid, Missouri – during the last great solar minimum.

Link to read rest of article: http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/dark-win...id/607672/
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#51
Quote:The worst of the cooling cycle, Casey predicts, will hit in the late 2020s and the early 2030s.

Food riots will break out, demand for heating oil will spike, and the failure of the corn crop will put the squeeze on ethanol.

He even predicts the United States will ban agricultural exports to feed its own citizens.

Lousy Newsmax reporting.... they misspelled the name all over the article, should be Cayce, not Casey.
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#52
Newsmax is awful, Ron.

NewsMax is a right version of a lefty blog or MSNBC. Biased beyond reason.

If someone said Obama's dad was an Martian, they'd post it. If Obama was a child of Martian's, MSNBC would deny it. Just no trustworthiness at all.
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#53
Aside from personalities and ad hominen attacks, what about Casey's arguments, and the data he cites, and the fact that every prediction he made in 2007 has come true, and when he said it would come true? Palladin, your characterization of Newsmax sounds like propaganda from the political left. They say the same thing about Fox News, when every intelligent, honest person knows Fox News is the most reliable of all mass media news sources because they strive to be "fair and balanced," and actually succeed much of the time. That looks extreme right if your viewpoint is from the MSNBC leftist worldview. Newsmax is not a satirical hoax site. Only that would disqualify them from being taken seriously.

MV, if "Casey" is not the right spelling of his name, then it is misspelled on the covers of his books as listed by Amazon as well:


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#54
Ron, I was joking.

Actually the 30 year cycle is well known ... except to the warmers



Quote:If someone said Obama's dad was an Martian, they'd post it. If Obama was a child of Martian's, MSNBC would deny it.

I don't believe this, there is nothing wrong with a dad being a Martian. Now, if you change "Martian" to a "Cannibal", oh yeah S13
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(11-17-2014, 12:44 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Here is something I just received from Newsmax that finally makes sense of the way weather and climate really are:

Ron, I'm happy to know that something has finally made sense to you about all this. Now that you have actually 'gotten it', why don't you go back and read some of the many, many posts others here, including myself and Tommy, have been spending so much time posting. S22

However, there is one thing missing from within the article. And that is "Little Ice Age". The good doctor has not stated it, most likely so as not to be made to look foolish should it not happen. But when it does, he will not be embarrassed either.

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#56
John, I have already been convinced for several years now that Al Gore should give back his Nobel Prize. I think it is obvious to anyone with any real political savy that the main motivator for the political left in their fanatical endorsement of AGW is the excuse it gives them to claim more money in the form of carbon taxes and other "penalties" to industries that supposedly contribute to the build-up of greenhouse gases. Control freaks love to believe others owe them money.

Here is a portion of the article I skipped over where the idea of an ice age is mentioned:

Quote:Noted Russian astrophysicist Habibullo I. Abdussamatov has argued that a new mini-ice age has begun, though Casey doesn't go that far.

He does agree with Abdussamatov that the real driver of global climate is solar activity, namely sunspots. These correspond to shifts in global temperature with a greater than 90 percent accuracy, he says.

What I really like about Casey's argument is that he totally refutes the basic AGW theory, by pointing out that it does not logically allow for any pauses or cooling off periods such as we have now. If greenhouse gases cause global warming, and greenhouse gases continue to increase, then global warming should continue unabated. There is no way the theory can allow for the contrary facts we have now. The theory of global warming by greenhouse gases is done. It is dead. It is only a matter of time before the stubbornness of the hardcore devotees of AGW is worn away. A few more "polar vortices" is going to produce a turning point where more and more will begin admitting that AGW is simply not supported by the facts.
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#57
Quote:However, there is one thing missing from within the article. And that is "Little Ice Age". The good doctor has not stated it, most likely so as not to be made to look foolish should it not happen.

He was right to keep this simple.

Besides, while it seems that the 30 year cycle is solar-spot-driven, this is likely untrue for longer cycles, they have different causes.

Milankovitch cycles
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#58
Ron,

It's niche is appealing to folks like you. So is WorldNetDaily. They wouldn't post an article they believed accurate that did not appeal to you. You'd stop reading their stuff.

That's how pr rags operate. The left has their's, the right as well.

Fox turns you on, MSNBC and CNN turn on the lefties and all 3 are nothing but pr services for their niche markets. Once in a while, the truth and pr are the same, not always.
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Quote:Khabibullo Abdusamatov said he and his colleagues had concluded that a period of global cooling similar to one seen in the late 17th century - when canals froze in the Netherlands and people had to leave their dwellings in Greenland - could start in 2012-2015 and reach its peak in 2055-2060.


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#60
(08-24-2014, 04:57 PM)sunsettommy Wrote: Here is an interesting hypothesis that might at least in part explains what is going on in the polar regions and why we have those D/O 1,500 year cycles,during the interglacial period.

LINK

The Long version is available that shed more information over what the Short version already does.
That is interesting, and soon I will find the time to finish the entire thing.
Beach
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