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Global cooling, er, I mean warming, er, wait...PT. 2
How much this 15 members panel cost to US taxpayers... for hot air?
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(08-21-2017, 04:42 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: How much this 15 members panel cost to US taxpayers... for hot air?

Right, and there is more hot air where that came from. In fact DC has more hot air than almost anyplace on the planet. Spiteful
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I wonder if today's solar eclipse will result in lower temperatures throughout the global climate? If lack of sunspots has an effect, then what about the moon blocking out most of the sun's light and heat over a thousand mile wide, 4,000 mile long swath, lasting over three hours for the whole eclipse progression?

Speaking of today's eclipse, I made an "eclipse box," consisting of a 2½ foot long box with a card at one end with a small pinhole in it. The pinhole projected an image of the sun onto a sheet of paper at the bottom of the box. (That is how I used to study the sun when I was a kid.) It was neat to watch the little circle of light get a divot taken out of it, which grew larger until there was only a fingernail clipping size sun still left. (In our Detroit area, about 80% of the sun was occluded.) At maximum occlusion, the sunlight was noticeably dimmer than normal--only 1/5 of normal. You could notice the dimmer than normal sunlight for about three hours. I tried to take pictures of the image in my eclipse box every 15 minutes or so with my digital camera, but I apparently did not get it to focus properly. My pictures were too blurred to be of interest. Probably got too close. I'm still learning to use my digital camera. It has 5X optical zoom, but there is a limit to how close you can be.

So what effect must that have had on global temperatures? I noticed that it seemed to get cooler while I was sitting outside, watching my eclipse box.
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(08-21-2017, 05:41 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: I wonder if today's solar eclipse will result in lower temperatures throughout the global climate? If lack of sunspots has an effect, then what about the moon blocking out most of the sun's light and heat over a thousand mile wide, 4,000 mile long swath, lasting over three hours for the whole eclipse progression?

It may drop a couple of degrees, but quickly correct itself after the moon moves out of the way. Now, some erupting volcanoes would partially obscure the sun for a good while, causing more long term cooling. S22
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(08-21-2017, 05:51 PM)John L Wrote:
(08-21-2017, 05:41 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: I wonder if today's solar eclipse will result in lower temperatures throughout the global climate? If lack of sunspots has an effect, then what about the moon blocking out most of the sun's light and heat over a thousand mile wide, 4,000 mile long swath, lasting over three hours for the whole eclipse progression?

It may drop a couple of degrees, but quickly correct itself after the moon moves out of the way.  Now, some erupting volcanoes would partially obscure the sun for a good while, causing more long term cooling.   S22

It's an actual thing!  (at least locally where it darkened) I don't have measurements but the drop in temperature was very evident and obvious to pretty much everyone I spoke to at work who observed it as well as my wife who was 20mi away.  But I doubt there will be anything 'official' about the effect.

On second thought ..... I actually found a number of references.  CBS no less.  11 degrees in totality.  We were maybe 95% or so and it felt like maybe 5-10 degrees ... didn't get all that dark.
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(08-21-2017, 08:19 PM)mr_yak Wrote: It's an actual thing!  (at least locally where it darkened) I don't have measurements but the drop in temperature was very evident and obvious to pretty much everyone I spoke to at work who observed it as well as my wife who was 20mi away.  But I doubt there will be anything 'official' about the effect.

On second thought ..... I actually found a number of references.  CBS no less.  11 degrees in totality.  We were maybe 95% or so and it felt like maybe 5-10 degrees ... didn't get all that dark.

From the article:

Quote:Forecasters say the temperature dropped 2 to 4 degrees in the mountains and deserts near San Diego in the morning hours, even though that area saw only a partial eclipse.

This is more like what we had occur here in the Raleigh area.
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I live just above the line of totality,but seeing 96% from my yard is good! It darkened a little,with a yellowing appearance.

Used an old Mylar Solar Filter from my old Astronomy days to see it safely.
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(08-21-2017, 05:41 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: I wonder if today's solar eclipse will result in lower temperatures throughout the global climate? If lack of sunspots has an effect, then what about the moon blocking out most of the sun's light and heat over a thousand mile wide, 4,000 mile long swath, lasting over three hours for the whole eclipse progression?

Speaking of today's eclipse, I made an "eclipse box," consisting of a 2½ foot long box with a card at one end with a small pinhole in it. The pinhole projected an image of the sun onto a sheet of paper at the bottom of the box. (That is how I used to study the sun when I was a kid.) It was neat to watch the little circle of light get a divot taken out of it, which grew larger until there was only a fingernail clipping size sun still left. (In our Detroit area, about 80% of the sun was occluded.) At maximum occlusion, the sunlight was noticeably dimmer than normal--only 1/5 of normal. You could notice the dimmer than normal sunlight for about three hours. I tried to take pictures of the image in my eclipse box every 15 minutes or so with my digital camera, but I apparently did not get it to focus properly. My pictures were too blurred to be of interest. Probably got too close. I'm still learning to use my digital camera. It has 5X optical zoom, but there is a limit to how close you can be.

So what effect must that have had on global temperatures? I noticed that it seemed to get cooler while I was sitting outside, watching my eclipse box.

Any cooling with be mostly confined to a narrow band on the near to totality path.

I saw a 96% eclipse that lasted around 10 min, before it started to slide back off, noticed a tiny drop.
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The swath was tiny compared to the totality of the Earth. ...Which goes to demonstrate how little Mankind can influence the climate. Is our footprint any greater?
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Bill Nye “the Science Guy” has thrown up his hands in defeat. Aww

And naturally, its other's fault. S13

‘I Am A Failure’: Bill Nye Opens Up About His Global Warming Activism
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Here's this from Tim Ball.

GLOBAL WARMING: FAKE NEWS FROM THE START: Senator Tim Wirth, scientist James Hansen and others manufactured the climate “crisis”
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Top 10 Climate Change Lies Exposed





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And in the "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise" category, there is this fortunate piece of information. S13

Study: Republicans more persuasive than scientists on ‘climate change’

Quote:From the UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT and the “that’s going to leave a mark” department comes this bit of news that’s sure to cause some heads to explode.

Regardless of political affiliation, people are more likely to believe facts about climate change when they come from Republicans speaking against what has become a partisan interest in this country, says a new University of Connecticut study.

In fact, Republicans are even more persuasive than scientists when it comes to correcting misinformation about climate change, researchers found.

Quote:“Unfortunately, correcting misinformation is much harder than simply providing ‘facts’,” says Lyle Scruggs, professor of political science at UConn, who co-authored the paper with Salil Benegal, a recent UConn Ph.D. graduate, now at DePauw University. The study is published in Climatic Change.

“For science issues such as climate change, we might expect scientists to be a credible and neutral authority,” says Benegal. “However, partisanship increasingly influences perceptions of scientific credibility.”

The study included 1,341 people, data collected by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and focused on a specific partisan issue on which scientific consensus has been widely adopted by Democrats but challenged by Republicans. Participants included those who self-identified as Republicans, Democrats, or Independents.

As expected, study authors found a partisan gap between Democrats and Republicans in their stated opinions on climate change, with Democrats expressing the highest level of concern and scientific agreement. The partisan gap diminished, however, with corrective information.

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I have not done an exhaustive study of this, but what I have gathered so far is that claims are being made that Antarctica is losing ice at an increasing rate. The fact that the extent of the ice sheet has not appreciably shrunk visually as seen from above (satellite), is explained by winds off the ice cap pushing back the warming waters so the surface water can freeze. But ice is being melted lower down by warmer sea water reaching the lower levels of the ice, the same people insist. In other words the melting is invisible.

A recent (within the past few days) bore hole reported in National Geographic, however, finds that deep down the ice is freezing, not melting, as had been expected.

So my conclusion is that the matter is not settled. Claims are being made that the world's ocean level is rising by a millimeter or so a year, and that within ten years we will be having serious problems in coastal areas. But I have seen no confirmation that the ocean level has been rising as predicted. And claiming disaster in ten years seems very much like a scare tactic to justify the kind of extreme measures some people want to take--the sort of thing we have been hearing for many years--like when Al Gore said around (I think it was) 2005, that by 2012, the Arctic ice would be gone (which of course it was and is not--it is as big as ever).

I remain skeptical.
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(06-15-2018, 12:26 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: I have not done an exhaustive study of this, but what I have gathered so far is that claims are being made that Antarctica is losing ice at an increasing rate. The fact that the extent of the ice sheet has not appreciably shrunk visually as seen from above (satellite), is explained by winds off the ice cap pushing back the warming waters so the surface water can freeze. But ice is being melted lower down by warmer sea water reaching the lower levels of the ice, the same people insist. In other words the melting is invisible.

That's almost certainly true.  However, the dots are not being connected.  The cause of this loss is not due to warmer climate, but rather an increase of vulcanism around and under the ice sheet.  And it is going on all over the planet, due to the tugging from the Jovian planets being in the right position with relation to our planet.  Its the only reasonable explanation, and it always goes along with a Grand Solar Minimum.

Most people will laugh at this, until given this little picture, showing how they also affect the sun and its Barycenter.  If they can assert this much input on the sun, then imagine what they can do to a tiny planet like earth.  Shock

[Image: 463px-Solar_system_barycenter.svg.png]
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But the question remains, why have all those bore holes not found melting ice, but freezing ice, deep down (150 feet or so)?

How do we know there has been any increase in melting ice in the Antarctic? Where is the evidence? Where is any evidence of the global mean sea level rising by a millimeter a year, as they claim? I mean, they make all these serious-sounding claims, but where is the substantiating evidence?
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(06-15-2018, 04:55 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: But the question remains, why have all those bore holes not found melting ice, but freezing ice, deep down (150 feet or so)?

How do we know there has been any increase in melting ice in the Antarctic? Where is the evidence? Where is any evidence of the global mean sea level rising by a millimeter a year, as they claim? I mean, they make all these serious-sounding claims, but where is the substantiating evidence?

Ron, I've heard/read all of these claims for a long time. Until just recently it was the Arctic ice. Just in the recent weeks its switched back to Antarctica. Its all a smokescreen IMO. The planet is starting to cool down so they are grasping at anything.

The Pacific floor is full of active volcanoes, due to this coming Grand Solar Minimum. Its sending heat upward which reaches the atmosphere and now it is causing warmer winds to hit California. And all due to all this volcanic activity, which always precedes the GSM(little ice age). And they are screaming about all the global warming. Obviously this is a world wide Cult that requires no sane logic, even when it is shoved into their faces. Gah
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Ron, just remember this too.  "There's lots of Money in Them Thar DC hills."  That's why all this Global Warming manure just keeps going on.  Cut off the funds, and suddenly it will stop making any difference.  

And this from Anthony Watts is the latest science on the subject, which just came out.  And it shows that polar ice has been affected little in the past 8 million years.  

NSF study: ‘…current carbon dioxide levels are not enough to destabilize the land-based ice on Antarctica’

And note that this very article STILL wants us to worry about the possibility of CO2 changing things.  Imagine that.  

Its all about money.  I wonder how many dollars the NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION gets for mouthing all this Shist?!  That's why they are willing to Whore for the Big Lie.
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So the global warming school of thought in scientific circles is really a cult. That explains why they have no evidence to back up their claims. They are going by faith--a presumptuous kind of faith. Anyone who does not go along is not just a traitor, but a heretic. We need a Protestant Reformation in science.
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You can always tell when these Con Artists are getting to the "Desperation Level".  They start referring to a "Gold Standard".  S13

Evidence that humans are responsible for global warming hits ‘gold standard’ certainty level
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