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Environmentalism Has Become A Religion
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Well, James Lovelock, the inventor of the Gaia Hypothesis is repeating the very thing Michael Crichton has stated for years, that environmentalism has indeed become a religion. Or "Carbon Calvanism" according to Joel Garreau.

Quote:Talking about the environmental movement, Lovelock says: "It’s become a religion, and religions don’t worry too much about facts." The retired scientist, who worked at the Medical Research Council, describes himself as an "old-fashioned green."

Lovelock reiterated his support for fracking for shale gas, which has been strongly backed by David Cameron and the government but vigorously opposed by anti-fracking activists and local people at sites from Salford to Balcombe in West Sussex.

“The government is too frightened to use nuclear, renewables won’t work –because we don’t have enough sun – and we can’t go on burning coal because it produces so much CO2, so that leaves fracking. It produces only a fraction of the amount of CO2 that coal does, and will make Britain secure in energy for quite a few years. We don’t have much choice," he said.

Craig Bennett, director of policy and campaigns at Friends of the Earth, said: "I think every year it becomes harder to generalise about environmentalism. These days it ranges from people like green activists of the 1970s who Lovelock perhaps has in mind through to chief executives who say this is one of the most pressing concerns we have to address."

"The environmental community is no longer a minority but a majority of people who are concerned about the planet. That makes it much harder than ever to pigeonhole who the environmental community is."

But there is one thing that they will do quite willingly. And that is to lie about things so as to scare others into supporting their less than reasoned point of view.

Fred, are you following this? Spiteful
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#2
Here is an interesting article, which dovetails right along with the 'Religion' aspect of Leftist Environmentalism. And nowhere is it more prevalent than within the current AGW movement.

Quote:Judaism, Christianity, Environmentalism
By: Dennis Prager
4/1/2014 06:00 AM

As I have often noted, the most dynamic and influential religion of the past hundred years has not been Christianity, let alone Judaism, the two religions that created the Western world. Nor has it been Islam. It has been Leftism.

Leftism has influenced the literary, academic, media, and, therefore, the political elite far more than any other religion. It has taken over Western schools from elementary through graduate.

For most of that time, various incarnations of Marxism have been the dominant expressions — and motivators — of Leftism: specifically, income redistribution, material equality and socialism. They are still powerful aspects of the left, but with the downfall of most communist regimes, other left-wing expressions have generated even more passion: first feminism and then environmentalism.

Nothing comes close to environmentalism in generating left-wing enthusiasm. It is the religion of our time. For the left, the earth has supplanted patriotism. This was largely inevitable in Europe, given its contempt for nationalism since the end of World War I and even more so since World War II. But it is now true for the elites (almost all of whose members are on the left) in America as well.

This was most graphically displayed by the infamous Time magazine cover of April 21, 2008 that altered the most iconic photograph in American history — Joe Rosenthal’s picture of the marines planting the flag on Iwo Jima. Instead of the American flag, the Time cover depicted the marines planting a tree. The caption on the cover read: “How to Win the War on Global Warming.” In other words, just as German and Japanese fascism was the enemy in World War II, global warming is the enemy today. And instead of allegiance to the nation’s flag, now our allegiance must be to nature.

This is the antithesis of the Judeo-Christian view of the world that has dominated Western civilization for all of the West’s history. The Judeo-Christian worldview is that man is at the center of the universe; nature was therefore created for man. Nature has no intrinsic worth other than man’s appreciation and (moral) use of it.

Worship of nature was the pagan worldview, a worship that the Hebrew Bible was meant to destroy. The messages of the Creation story in Genesis were that:

1) God created nature. God is not in nature, and nature is not God. Nature is nothing more than His handiwork. Therefore it is He, not nature, that is to be worshipped. The pagan world held nature in esteem; its gods were gods of nature (not above nature).

2) Nature cannot be worshipped because nature is amoral, whereas God is moral.

3) All of creation had one purpose: the final creation, the human being.

With the demise of the biblical religions that have provided the American people with their core values since their country’s inception, we are reverting to the pagan worldview. Trees and animals are venerated, while man is simply one more animal in the ecosystem — and largely a hindrance, not an asset.

On February 20, a pit bull attacked a 4-year-old boy, Kevin Vicente, leaving the boy with a broken eye socket and a broken jaw. Kevin will have to undergo months, perhaps years, of additional reconstructive surgeries. A Facebook page was set up to raise funds. But it wasn’t set up for Kevin. It was set up for the dog. The “Save Mickey” page garnered over 70,000 “likes,” and raised more than enough money to provide legal help to prevent the dog from being euthanized. There were even candlelight vigils and a YouTube video plea for the dog.

The non-profit legal group defending Mickey is the Lexus Project. According to CBS News, “the same group fought earlier this year for the life of a dog that fatally mauled a toddler in Nevada.”

This is the trend. Nature over man.

This is why environmentalists oppose the Keystone pipeline. Nature over man. The pipeline will provide work for thousands of people and it will enable Canada and the United States to increasingly break away from dependence on other countries for their energy needs. But to the true believers who make up much of the environmentalist movement, none of that matters. Just as they didn’t care about the millions of Africans who died of malaria as a result of those environmentalists’ efforts to ban DDT.

One of the fathers of the green movement is James Lovelock, the scientist who originated the Gaia hypothesis of the earth as a single living organism. This past Sunday, the British newspaper, the Guardian, reported that, “Talking about the environmental movement, Lovelock says: ‘It’s become a religion, and religions don’t worry too much about facts.’”
He also told the interviewer “that he had been too certain about the rate of global warming in his past book … that fracking and nuclear power should power the UK, not renewable sources such as wind farms.”

As G.K. Chesterton prophesied over a hundred years ago: “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.”(and Ain't that the Gospel Truth) S5

Now it’s the environment.
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#3
This environmental religion isn't the only sub culture sprouting up, the entire gay movement thing is so out of control and fairly similar it deserves the same status. Both have fascist pr movements and both desire to persecute all but true believers as "fill in the blank".
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#4
All these radical groups have one philosophical thing in common. Its the old Marx Communist Manifesto credo that "The End justifies the Means". No matter how ridiculous, immoral, destructive the actions, as long as its accomplishes the objective, all is worth it.
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#5
To be honest, gay folks with good hearts will begin to see the fascist tendency here and oppose it as Andrew Sullivan has. Most of them are good people, IMO, who just happen to have sex desires you and I do not.

Over time this problem will cool. Too bad one of the brightest men in the universe is unemployed due to any type of fascism in a "free country".

This "hyper Stalinist" type robotic movement won't last I don't think.
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(03-30-2014, 11:13 PM)John L Wrote: Well, James Lovelock, the inventor of the Gaia Hypothesis is repeating the very thing Michael Crichton has stated for years, that environmentalism has indeed become a religion. Or "Carbon Calvanism" according to Joel Garreau.

Quote:Talking about the environmental movement, Lovelock says: "It’s become a religion, and religions don’t worry too much about facts." The retired scientist, who worked at the Medical Research Council, describes himself as an "old-fashioned green."

Lovelock reiterated his support for fracking for shale gas, which has been strongly backed by David Cameron and the government but vigorously opposed by anti-fracking activists and local people at sites from Salford to Balcombe in West Sussex.

“The government is too frightened to use nuclear, renewables won’t work –because we don’t have enough sun – and we can’t go on burning coal because it produces so much CO2, so that leaves fracking. It produces only a fraction of the amount of CO2 that coal does, and will make Britain secure in energy for quite a few years. We don’t have much choice," he said.

Craig Bennett, director of policy and campaigns at Friends of the Earth, said: "I think every year it becomes harder to generalise about environmentalism. These days it ranges from people like green activists of the 1970s who Lovelock perhaps has in mind through to chief executives who say this is one of the most pressing concerns we have to address."

"The environmental community is no longer a minority but a majority of people who are concerned about the planet. That makes it much harder than ever to pigeonhole who the environmental community is."

But there is one thing that they will do quite willingly. And that is to lie about things so as to scare others into supporting their less than reasoned point of view.

Fred, are you following this? Spiteful

Well, just because a person who is NOT into saving the environment from the poisons corporations lay does not mean that environmentalists believe that their cause is their religion.

I think it's pretty Christian to take care of the land, sea, air, and animals given by God...least ways, I do think he ordered that.
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(05-08-2014, 02:38 PM)Progressive Leaning Wrote: I think it's pretty Christian to take care of the land, sea, air, and animals given by God...least ways, I do think he ordered that.

We certainly should be stewards of the planet, no argument there.

But many of the modern day so called "environmentalists" make it a somewhat religious fervor.

Calling CO2 a "pollutant", for example, and then demanding that only certain emitters of said "pollutant" be regulated stringently while others are ignored as they exhale CO2 indiscriminately everywhere.

"God" surely did not order that we act like lunatics.

Guess some environmentalists missed that part.

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#8
LL,

The debate is not between your view and "let's return to the bad air and water" of 1960 Pittsburgh. I doubt anyone regrets most the implementation of the clean air and water acts.

Where we disagree would be at which point do we spend another trillion dollars to go from 97% clean to 98% clean because at the margins, the costs shoot up like a space rocket.

I say do not do that, it costs too much for the return and harms economic growth and in a nation like our's, we cannot hold us together with long term unemployment. The glue that holds us together is not based on ethnicity, it's based on mutual respect and there is so little of that.
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(05-09-2014, 11:19 AM)Palladin Wrote: LL,

The debate is not between your view and "let's return to the bad air and water" of 1960 Pittsburgh. I doubt anyone regrets most the implementation of the clean air and water acts.

Where we disagree would be at which point do we spend another trillion dollars to go from 97% clean to 98% clean because at the margins, the costs shoot up like a space rocket.

I say do not do that, it costs too much for the return and harms economic growth and in a nation like our's, we cannot hold us together with long term unemployment. The glue that holds us together is not based on ethnicity, it's based on mutual respect and there is so little of that.

Eco-Nuts are not willing to mortgaged their homes & spend their own money to install closet sized water & household air filters to bring standards to their absurd levels. They are however more than willing to throw taxpayer money at the various Green Industry Corporations for useless Eco-waste projects. As most of the Green Industry Corporations are Democrat mega-contributors they get a kick back there plus additional democrats hired by government for regulation and added bureaucracy. Leftists never met a Corporation that donated Democrat that they didn't like.
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#10
That's the old "it's good for thee,but,not for me" syndrome. I bug a buddy of mine on this. Anyone who drives any automobile and uses electricity is a hypocrite if they believe this AGW nonsense.

That's contributing to the demise of humanity and you still do it? Get outta here with that.
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(05-10-2014, 11:01 AM)Palladin Wrote: That's the old "it's good for thee,but,not for me" syndrome. I bug a buddy of mine on this. Anyone who drives any automobile and uses electricity is a hypocrite if they believe this AGW nonsense.

That's contributing to the demise of humanity and you still do it? Get outta here with that.

Big Green Virgin Airlines hypocrite Branson from his private Island says that he is planing on offering 1-hour flights between NYC & Tokyo after he gets his luxury Earth Orbit tours going. All the Big Greens think there is one ideal to be achieved by the rest of us and one standard for the 'elites'.
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#12
Virgin is the type of corporation I will go along with LL on. The point is that these "disgusting" corporations are the ones who play the 'Corporatist' game with politicians. They give huge sums of monies, and they receive huge concessions to do as they wish, within reason of course.

I just think LL is a bit misguided in that he blames the corporations first and foremost, as do most Progressives. But in reality, the real fault lies with politicians and an ever expanding government. Unfortunately, Progressives such as LL are totally unable to understand Bastiat's concept of "the Unseen", especially when right in front of them.
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(05-11-2014, 11:03 AM)John L Wrote: Virgin is the type of corporation I will go along with LL on. The point is that these "disgusting" corporations are the ones who play the 'Corporatist' game with politicians. They give huge sums of monies, and they receive huge concessions to do as they wish, within reason of course.

No. I cannot go along with Eco-hypocrite Branson jetting off to his private Island considering two passengers on a G4 a form of carpooling telling the rest of society we need to learn how to live with less and more expensive forms of energy & food.
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(04-03-2014, 01:13 PM)John L Wrote: Here is an interesting article, which dovetails right along with the 'Religion' aspect of Leftist Environmentalism. And nowhere is it more prevalent than within the current AGW movement.

Quote:Judaism, Christianity, Environmentalism
By: Dennis Prager
4/1/2014 06:00 AM

As I have often noted, the most dynamic and influential religion of the past hundred years has not been Christianity, let alone Judaism, the two religions that created the Western world. Nor has it been Islam. It has been Leftism.

Leftism has influenced the literary, academic, media, and, therefore, the political elite far more than any other religion. It has taken over Western schools from elementary through graduate.

For most of that time, various incarnations of Marxism have been the dominant expressions — and motivators — of Leftism: specifically, income redistribution, material equality and socialism. They are still powerful aspects of the left, but with the downfall of most communist regimes, other left-wing expressions have generated even more passion: first feminism and then environmentalism.

Nothing comes close to environmentalism in generating left-wing enthusiasm. It is the religion of our time. For the left, the earth has supplanted patriotism. This was largely inevitable in Europe, given its contempt for nationalism since the end of World War I and even more so since World War II. But it is now true for the elites (almost all of whose members are on the left) in America as well.

This was most graphically displayed by the infamous Time magazine cover of April 21, 2008 that altered the most iconic photograph in American history — Joe Rosenthal’s picture of the marines planting the flag on Iwo Jima. Instead of the American flag, the Time cover depicted the marines planting a tree. The caption on the cover read: “How to Win the War on Global Warming.” In other words, just as German and Japanese fascism was the enemy in World War II, global warming is the enemy today. And instead of allegiance to the nation’s flag, now our allegiance must be to nature.

This is the antithesis of the Judeo-Christian view of the world that has dominated Western civilization for all of the West’s history. The Judeo-Christian worldview is that man is at the center of the universe; nature was therefore created for man. Nature has no intrinsic worth other than man’s appreciation and (moral) use of it.

Worship of nature was the pagan worldview, a worship that the Hebrew Bible was meant to destroy. The messages of the Creation story in Genesis were that:

1) God created nature. God is not in nature, and nature is not God. Nature is nothing more than His handiwork. Therefore it is He, not nature, that is to be worshipped. The pagan world held nature in esteem; its gods were gods of nature (not above nature).

2) Nature cannot be worshipped because nature is amoral, whereas God is moral.

3) All of creation had one purpose: the final creation, the human being.

With the demise of the biblical religions that have provided the American people with their core values since their country’s inception, we are reverting to the pagan worldview. Trees and animals are venerated, while man is simply one more animal in the ecosystem — and largely a hindrance, not an asset.

On February 20, a pit bull attacked a 4-year-old boy, Kevin Vicente, leaving the boy with a broken eye socket and a broken jaw. Kevin will have to undergo months, perhaps years, of additional reconstructive surgeries. A Facebook page was set up to raise funds. But it wasn’t set up for Kevin. It was set up for the dog. The “Save Mickey” page garnered over 70,000 “likes,” and raised more than enough money to provide legal help to prevent the dog from being euthanized. There were even candlelight vigils and a YouTube video plea for the dog.

The non-profit legal group defending Mickey is the Lexus Project. According to CBS News, “the same group fought earlier this year for the life of a dog that fatally mauled a toddler in Nevada.”

This is the trend. Nature over man.

This is why environmentalists oppose the Keystone pipeline. Nature over man. The pipeline will provide work for thousands of people and it will enable Canada and the United States to increasingly break away from dependence on other countries for their energy needs. But to the true believers who make up much of the environmentalist movement, none of that matters. Just as they didn’t care about the millions of Africans who died of malaria as a result of those environmentalists’ efforts to ban DDT.

One of the fathers of the green movement is James Lovelock, the scientist who originated the Gaia hypothesis of the earth as a single living organism. This past Sunday, the British newspaper, the Guardian, reported that, “Talking about the environmental movement, Lovelock says: ‘It’s become a religion, and religions don’t worry too much about facts.’”
He also told the interviewer “that he had been too certain about the rate of global warming in his past book … that fracking and nuclear power should power the UK, not renewable sources such as wind farms.”

As G.K. Chesterton prophesied over a hundred years ago: “When people stop believing in God, they don’t believe in nothing — they believe in anything.”(and Ain't that the Gospel Truth) S5

Now it’s the environment.

Well, for Christians, taking care of the world and planet IS the religion they follow which demonstrates how the christian reconstructionists of the republican party are NOT true christians at all.
"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." —Dan Quayle
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#15
You are making absolutely no adult sense whatsoever. Do you honestly believe that Jackasses love clean air, clean water, beautiful countryside, and practically everything else, more than those OTHER humans, who happen to be Dumbasses?

Oh, and what about we folks, who don't think very much of Either of those stupid parties? What sort of "disgusting" are we?
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#16
Remember that Mikhail Gorbachev moved from the USSR after Perestroika to the Presidio in San Francisco to become the World's foremost Environmentalist:

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#17
LL's view of the Christian role vis a vis "the planet" is opposite of mine. I think God made this big ball of dirt for us to live on and to use our brains to develop/prosper, mining and drilling to me are just like growing corn or tomatoes and cutting those plants or shooting an animal to eat or clothe oneself.

We, not the big ball of dirt, were made in God's image and He gave us dominion over it and all in it. It's here for us, not the other way around. That's traditional Christian theology, not this new age nonsense that has infected some of the church making a big ball of dirt some sacred something.
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