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Euros Finally Waking Up?
Yes, of course. Even with sub-saharian africans (black africans) there are less problems than with muslim, no matter where they come from.
And black africans are extremely different culturaly and don't assimilate easily, but they don't create any problem. They don't try to promote stupidity.
There is also a sizeable asian migrant population in Europe. These asian migrants mix into the crowd invisibly. Nobody talks about them or seems to notice that they are there.
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This difference seems meaningless to all you Trump kidnapping supporters. There are >400 kids here whose parents have been deported and the decisions made unilaterally by some Trump robot.

That's kidnapping. Trump and any official involved should be indicted for it, too.
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(07-27-2018, 10:58 AM)Palladin Wrote: This difference seems meaningless to all you Trump  kidnapping supporters. There are >400 kids here whose parents have been deported and the decisions made unilaterally by some Trump robot.

That's kidnapping. Trump and any official involved should be indicted for it, too.

Sounds like you are allowing your emotions rule your brain,.....again Patrick.  

Are those 'Trump kidnapping supporters' causing the government to sneak south and kidnap children, as you are alluding here?  Or are they preventing illegal aliens from breaking the law and illegally entering another country?  Are you trying to act stupid, or are you serious here?

And as I have said before, which you obviously did not not bother reading, because you were 'Skimming', at least 25% of children are not traveling with there parents, but are being led by criminals.  Why aren't you concerned with what those criminals may be doing with/to them?  

Why don't you bother turning on your brain, and think logically, if that's possible.  Obviously you are hanging out with kooks, who are not interested in logic.


Oh, I almost forgot: where was your compassion and anger before Trump, when the exact same thing was being done under MacDaddy and his crew?   Why weren't you raising holy hell then?  Where was your brain then?   Or do you really care?  Aww
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No John, if I stole an infant daughter of your's and flew you against your will to Guatamala, I'd be arrested, indicted, convicted of kidnapping and possible violation of some anti slavery statutes.

States are not exempt from following the same laws. Maybe they literally are in the USA, but, they are not supposed to be.

Now you need to give me one of your sermons on individual liberty and how unique Americans are.
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(07-27-2018, 02:32 PM)Palladin Wrote: No John, if I stole an infant daughter of your's and flew you against your will to Guatamala, I'd be arrested, indicted, convicted of kidnapping and possible violation of some anti slavery statutes.

States are not exempt from following the same laws. Maybe they literally are in the USA, but, they are not supposed to be.

Now you need to give me one of your sermons on individual liberty and how unique Americans are.

No Patrick, this is about one of the other pillars of Liberalism, real Liberalism, and that is "The Rule of Law".  It has been a law for decades that illegals entering this country, are to be detained, i.e. arrested.  If they have children with them, we have separated them from the adults, because of what some of those adults could do to them.  We have been trying to Protect them.  That has been the "Rule of Law" for a long time, even before that Evil, Dastardly Donald Trump decided to steal the little ones and do "whatever" with them.  

Again, where were you when this was being done when MacDaddy was doing the exact thing?   Where were YOU Patrick?  Where were you?
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John, you don't explain why the children were not reunited with their parents before. In some cases it was clearly wirtten that children have been "separated from their parents"[sic]. Not children traveleing without their parents. If children are traveling without their parents, it's normal to reunite them with their parent once the parents arrive in the country.
It's simply human behavior.
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(07-27-2018, 04:46 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: John, you don't explain why the children were not reunited with their parents before. In some cases it was clearly wirtten that children have been "separated from their parents"[sic]. Not children traveleing without their parents. If children are traveling without their parents, it's normal to reunite them with their parent once the parents arrive in the country.
It's simply human behavior.

Fred, the illegal adults are detained in large areas with many other adults in the group. The time, money, and practicality of creating separate cells for all of the illegals would be terribly high. Consequently, until the jackasses raised hell about them being separated under Trump's watch, they themselves willingly used the same system. But they are not about to admit that to the unsuspecting, such as you and Patrick. This is all about hypocrisy, and what is alright with 'we' is not alright with 'thee'.
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John, perhaps you could have mentioned that 1 out of 4 adults with these kids in their control are not their parents. All who come in illegally are criminals and must be separated so it is required to separate them. It is the basic law that says the kids can't be safely housed by the government for more than so many days and must be fostered out. They try to place them with relatives - but those relatives run off with them to evade their own assigned court dates. The GOP bill to change that mandatory waiting time was blocked so it is what it is.
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(07-27-2018, 06:41 PM)WmLambert Wrote: John, perhaps you could have mentioned that 1 out of 4 adults with these kids in their control are not their parents. All who come in illegally are criminals and must be separated so it is required to separate them. It is the basic law that says the kids can't be safely housed by the government for more than so many days and must be fostered out. They try to place them with relatives - but those relatives run off with them to evade their own assigned court dates. The GOP bill to change that mandatory waiting time was blocked so it is what it is.

Bill, I did mention that on post #103.  He just didn't bother reading it.
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Yeah, I read that at the time. I mean that you must repeat it until it sinks in and is not skimmed over. He is obviously only responding to brand-name psychology. One must see the same thing a dozen or so times before it sinks in.
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JohnL, that the Jackasses as you call them, did the same is not an excuse to do it. It's still unacceptable morally.
Where were your republicans to denounce that, when it was done under Obama? Huh? if it was already under Obama, why didn't you use this argument to undermine his power and reputation?
But the problem is not whether it's jackasses or dumbasses, but that it's done in the USA. It's your country, John, no matter whose the president.
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No Fred. It's wrong to kidnap people and place them in danger of pedophile rape only if a democrat is POTUS.
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(07-28-2018, 05:20 PM)Palladin Wrote: No Fred. It's wrong to kidnap people and place them in danger of pedophile rape only if a democrat is POTUS.

Dead on Palladin. For me, it's worse than that. When I studied psychology and logic in school, I learned about recidivism, and that any violation of the law means that person may violate any law without compunction. The Rubicon has been crossed. Crossing the border illegally means that person could perform felonies at any time. The decision that laws don't pertain to the law-breaker means no trust can be logically invested in that person.

With many legal ports of entry where a person can apply for asylum, to chose to enter illegally brands that person as a criminal. Criminals don't have the right to have custody of children. It is only the law-breakers who get their children rescued from them. This does not happen to those applying for asylum legally. There are many adults who are poor parents and many who deserve to have the children rescued from them.

Could you sit in a court of law and award custody of innocent children to criminals who had no problem with dragging kids into danger?

It has gotten worse since 2010 when the drug cartels have taken over human trafficking and use them as drug mules. To cross our borders illegally, the Cartels take a huge payment.

Asylum laws must be defined more tightly. Asylum for religion or racial attack are valid. Fear of criminality has never been a valid excuse for aylum.
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William,

You are impressing you. No one else listens to your ridiculous debates between you and you.

Worse, while kidnappers and pedophiles have their way in our nation due to mentally deficient thinking like you exhibit here, evil rules under the stars and stripes.

For that you can make a sacrifice to your idol Uncle Sam. I won't be involved.
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(07-28-2018, 09:24 PM)Palladin Wrote: William,

You are impressing you. No one else listens to your ridiculous debates between you and you.

Worse, while kidnappers and pedophiles have their way in our nation due to mentally deficient thinking like you exhibit here, evil rules under the stars and stripes.

For that you can make a sacrifice to your idol Uncle Sam. I won't be involved.

Skimming again? We have hundreds of visitors who read our posts. Since my main focus is to correct disinformation and yours is just to repeat it, you should spend time reading and understanding before jumping to conclusions. As Jphn and I have bothe posted, over 25% of kids are dragged across the border by non-relations. (That means the adults kidnapped them.)
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