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Absurdity of Redistributionism
You don't need to understand the details to get a glimps on the absurdity of redistributionist policies aka eurosocialism.
(Here the case of France, same in Belgium)

Under "salarié" (salaried) you have the revenues and spendings of poeple who works and under "RSA" those of the unemployement benefiteers.

...And they wonder why there is unemployement.

Moreover, to pay all this, labour is punitively taxed so jobs are destroyed twice! S24

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Fred, there are just so many misconceptions, by those on the Left, that the underlying cause is more than such things as the State owning the money, and the means of production. Or perhaps that equality of outcome is more important than equality of opportunity, or..............take your pick of many more.

But mostly it is an adolescent utopian childishness that these Leftists never seem able to grow out from under. They actually look like adults, but their minds are eternally stuck on Adolescent. The only way they will ever grow out of all this is if they are actually mugged by reality. Its like being kicked in the ass, or have a 2X4 smash them in the head. Then they start understanding, because it finally comes home to roost,.....with them.
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I thought that was why the Democrat's symbol is a donkey - you know, you gotta hit it in the forehead with a two-by-four just to get its attention.
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Perhaps a little bit more explanation might help my pea brain. S6
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The above chart shows, for all EU countries, the proportion of taxes versus net salary.

The part in blue is what the worker gets. The parts in red, green and purple are what the employer and the employee are paying to the governement (ultimately the whole thing is paid by the employer).

The scale is €1. This means that everywhere the total exceeds €2, they are paying more to the governement than to the worker when they employ somebody.
In other words, taxes are higher than the salary itself!

Where the total exceeds €1.50, they are paying more than half the equivalent of the salary to the governement.

Employer's and employee's social security are supposed to fund unemployement benefits and pensions. I don;t why it was decided that the sum was split between empoyer and employees since it's forcibly the employer who pays everything. Maybe the two sums are calculated separately with more variables (the chart shows the averages) but I think it's more for the governement to dilute one large sum and make it appear smaller.

Income taxes are used for general governement spendings and use, I think. But it's possible that everything is used for social security and pensions or for anything else.

The income tax is paid only by the employee because it depends on all the incomes, independantly of his salary. If the chart is correct, it should assume that the employye has only his salary as income. But in the case of Belgium and maybe other countries, I think they include some charges paid by the employer too because it looks so big...
Anyway it's paid to the governement.

Now you can understand why being from Belgium I moved to Lithuania (in reality the number is slightly less for Lithuania. It's more around 1.50. But the numbers for Belgium and France are moreless acurate).

In the leftist language, a reduction in these taxes would be a gift to enterprises (to companies) and a spending which needs to be funded with other state revenues.
Also bear in mind that "social security" (or perhaps "income taxes" - I don't know how they compiled the datas) also includes mendatory health care insurance. Poeple don't have to pay for a health care insurance separately when all these things are paid. Every worker and every legaly unemployed are automaticaly covered.
I don't know it's true for UK and Ireland, or for all the countries emtioned thought. The extent of the health coverage may also vary.
I can see why Ireland is rebounding so well, since they actually bit the bullet and took their medicine. And that also brings me to Iceland. I wonder where they would be on the chart. I'll bet they too are near the bottom.
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Looks like Cyprus would be the best place to live--except for the danger of living on a large island divided between Turks and Greeks. I'm surprised the UK is so favorable in terms of taxation. I thought they were more socialistic than that. Maybe they have Margaret Thatcher to thank for that.
Yes, but Cyprus is not realy a country...
(04-09-2015, 03:35 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Yes, but Cyprus is not realy a country...

Since Greece is the only one that is in the EU, I must assume they are referring to the Greek Cypriot portion of the island, correct?
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Turkey is a member of NATO, but not of the EU. Officially the EU does not recognize northern Cyprus, but it is recognized as an independent country by Turkey. According to Wickipedia, the EU only recognizes the Greek Cypriots. Link:
Yes talking about Cyprus means the Greek part. Note that the Turkish part is much smaller.

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