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(03-14-2014, 07:41 PM)WmLambert Wrote: That study reports that a zone of the interior has a moisture content of 1.5%, and already under great heat and pressure. That isn't water. 40 days and nights of dampness?

Minerals with certain crystal structure were theorized by Ted Ringwood to exist if there were large densities of water near the mantle Transition Zone. A single gem of earth origin appears to contain within a microscopic inclusion the crystal structure properties of the minerals speculated in the theory and similar to the crystal structure identified in the Tenham meteorite which originally gave credence to Ringwood's theory and in which Ringwood was honored with the naming of the mineral Ringwoodite.

I dunno... how this ever goes from theory to fact? Empirical study of the center of the earth is not something I think we have any ideas on how to proceed. We are limited as in volcanology. We wait for things to be shot up in the air and speculate on the rumblings in the ground. Hey it will be a fantastic site to one day see a giant earth fountain shooting streams of water 80,000 feet in the air.
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#42
The report also says, "the water was likely to be locked up in specific rocks, in a molecular form called hydroxyl." Not water ...dampness.

Am waiting for the dinosaurs, giant mushrooms, and petrified forests.
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#43
Most of the waters that formed "the great deep" are now in the oceans.
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#44
(03-15-2014, 08:46 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Most of the waters that formed "the great deep" are now in the oceans.

Ummm...yeah, I guess that most of the water that formed "the great deep" are now in the oceans. Probably the rest is splashed on ship decks and evaporated in clouds but according to this recent paper there is a lot more water than that Ron.

AFP Wed, Mar 12, 2014 Wrote:Writing in the journal Nature, scientists on Wednesday said they had found an elusive mineral pointing to the existence of a vast reservoir deep in Earth's mantle, 400-600 kilometres (250-375 miles) beneath our feet. It may hold as much water as all the planet's oceans combined, they believe.
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#45
The only problem with all of this is that this water would be boiling hot and trying it best to escape somewhere, which would be upward. Let's see, in S. Africa, gold miners travel down, how many kilos? Just a few anyway, and the heat is almost overbearing. Now, if all that water is in the mantle(400-600 Ks), and not the outer crust, it would be hot, hot, hot, and acting like an overheated teapot.

Makes no logical sense to me that it would be located that far down, and at that temperature. But what do I know, right?

I'll be the first to state that water is one of the most abundant resources in this solar system, and most likely the galaxy. Its everywhere, and we are bombarded with about thirteen tons on a daily basis. That much enters the atmosphere in small quantities from space. So there is water galore here. But residing that far within the planet? I'm doubtful on this.
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#46
(03-15-2014, 11:46 AM)John L Wrote: The only problem with all of this is that this water would be boiling hot and trying it best to escape somewhere, which would be upward.

That is not my understanding. It is my understanding that the water is contained within crystalline rock formations in the transitional zone of the mantel maintained at both high temperatures & high pressure and we are just waiting for more of it to come to the surface so we can discuss the Ringwood theories further.
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(03-15-2014, 12:11 PM)Paul In Sweden Wrote:
(03-15-2014, 11:46 AM)John L Wrote: The only problem with all of this is that this water would be boiling hot and trying it best to escape somewhere, which would be upward.

That is not my understanding. It is my understanding that the water is contained within crystalline rock formations in the transitional zone of the mantel maintained at both high temperatures & high pressure and we are just waiting for more of it to come to the surface so we can discuss the Ringwood theories further.

I'm at a loss here. Is that something from a fantasy novel, or movie?
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(03-15-2014, 12:34 PM)John L Wrote:
(03-15-2014, 12:11 PM)Paul In Sweden Wrote:
(03-15-2014, 11:46 AM)John L Wrote: The only problem with all of this is that this water would be boiling hot and trying it best to escape somewhere, which would be upward.

That is not my understanding. It is my understanding that the water is contained within crystalline rock formations in the transitional zone of the mantel maintained at both high temperatures & high pressure and we are just waiting for more of it to come to the surface so we can discuss the Ringwood theories further.

I'm at a loss here. Is that something from a fantasy novel, or movie?

John, we can't get down to the transitional zone to confirm large quantities of water(It is really, really hot down there). The only way we could prove the water is down there is if it massively comes up to the surface.
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#49
I know that Paul, but what do you mean by 'Ringwood theories'? Sounds like something out of J.K.Rowling's imagination. Never heard of that before,.....I think. S14
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(03-15-2014, 08:50 PM)John L Wrote: I know that Paul, but what do you mean by 'Ringwood theories'? Sounds like something out of J.K.Rowling's imagination. Never heard of that before,.....I think. S14

Ringwood is the geologist that theorized during the 50's-60's the existence of the Cristine structures that might be produced in the mantel transitional zone if in fact there were large quantities of water.


Quote:In the late 1950s and 1960s Ringwood worked on germanates. He discovered that they served as low-pressure analogue to high-pressure silicates. With this insight he was able to predict that the phase changes of the mantle minerals olivine and pyroxene should occur in the Transition Zone. At the Australian National University he began experimental study of silicates at high pressure, and in 1959 demonstrated that the iron end-member of olivine indeed transformed to the denser spinel structure, as did numerous germanate and germanate-silicate solid solutions. In 1966, Ringwood and Alan Major, the technical officer who worked with him from 1964 to 1993, synthesized the spinel form of (Mg,Fe)2SiO4, Also in 1966, the transformation of pure forsterite (Mg2SiO4) to spinel-like phase was achieved.

In 1969 a new mineral was discovered in fragments of the Tenham meteorite which had the same crystal structure as the high pressure spinel polymorph of olivine. This was the first time that Ringwood's predicted polymorph was found in nature. Honouring the importance of Ringwood's work the mineral was named Ringwoodite.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Ringwoo...27s_mantle
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#51
I did an earlier search of 'Ringwood theories' and nothing came out. I didn't know this was a Dr. Ringwood. Had that been mentioned I probably would have figured it out by myself.

But I still haven't found anything linking this to water yet. And I still find this highly improbable that all this water would be found deep within the mantle, where it is so hot. Of course, I am always open to more knowledge here. S1
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#52
(03-15-2014, 10:40 PM)John L Wrote: I did an earlier search of 'Ringwood theories' and nothing came out. I didn't know this was a Dr. Ringwood. Had that been mentioned I probably would have figured it out by myself.

But I still haven't found anything linking this to water yet. And I still find this highly improbable that all this water would be found deep within the mantle, where it is so hot. Of course, I am always open to more knowledge here. S1

I Dunno John. Some joker started this Ringwood & mantel water stuff with this post:

(03-12-2014, 07:46 PM)John L Wrote: Scientists have finally discovered where all the Noah's Flood water originated. Creationists will be rejoicing. S22

Maybe he didn't read the article?
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#53
The Ringwood crystals are markers in a transition zone between water and non-water. According to the expressed articles, the water is there, and the Ringwood crystals are just signposts of its existence.

I'm with John on this. If there is water at this pressure and depth, we are talking about states of matter beyond liquid or solid: either gas or plasma. Remember the peculiarity of water - the only compound that expands in its solid phase, rather than contracts. Which is the trump suit? Pressure or temperature?
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(03-19-2014, 06:06 PM)WmLambert Wrote: The Ringwood crystals are markers in a transition zone between water and non-water. According to the expressed articles, the water is there, and the Ringwood crystals are just signposts of its existence.

I'm with John on this. If there is water at this pressure and depth, we are talking about states of matter beyond liquid or solid: either gas or plasma. Remember the peculiarity of water - the only compound that expands in its solid phase, rather than contracts. Which is the trump suit? Pressure or temperature?

No doubt if it exists at that level in the earth it is in a different state of matter in a location that we cannot examine or confirm its existence. The only way we can confirm its existence is if it changes state and gushes up with force to the surface. We see trivial examples of water rising from the earth during earthquakes. If there is grater amounts of water than in all the oceans as surmised perhaps one day we will see it. Heck, I can swim.
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#55
Residents of Los Angeles feel the latest effects of fracking. This may take a few days to register, but soon new legislation will turn up to curb this evil practice before it is too late. S5

Even Russians are reporting on it.

And Los Angeles is ahead of itself. Just wait, tomorrow, or the next day, there will be all sorts of stories about the evils of fracking there.
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#56
And now for the very latest attempt to put forth an explanation for the largest mass extinction in this planet's history, the Permian Extinctions.

Methane-spewing microbe blamed in Earth's worst mass extinction

Something tells me that this is a side effect of the AGW craze currently going around. If methane bugs are suddenly unleashed, causing the largest mass extinction in history, we may just be about to go through the same thing once more.

Quote:Previous ideas proposed for the Permian extinction include an asteroid and large-scale volcanism. But these researchers suggest a microscope would be needed to find the actual culprit.

Methanosarcina grew in a frenzy in the seas, disgorging huge quantities of methane into Earth's atmosphere, they said.

This dramatically heated up the climate and fundamentally altered the chemistry of the oceans by driving up acid levels, causing unlivable conditions for many species, they added.

In other words, Global Warming at its Evil Worst.
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#57
I notice this story today at Drudge

Yellowstone Volcano Eruption in 2014? Are Animals Are Fleeing Park As ‘An Alert’? Of course, it must be viewed with caution due to the date.

[Image: yellowstone-volcano.jpg]
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#58
Bill, wouldyou also please post this over at the Are Recent Earthquakes/Vulcanism a Sign Of Future Problems?. It does seem to most likely be a false alarm about the 'super volcano' part, but for earthquakes in general, its just another one of those quakes that seem to come along in batches when they do.
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#59
http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/2014/06/...rths-core/
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(06-13-2014, 10:46 AM)mv Wrote: http://blueandgreentomorrow.com/2014/06/...rths-core/

Oh no! You beat me to it. All morning I've been reading several articles on all this hyperventilation, trying to find the more logical and least inflammatory put out by the Whores, in order to post here. And I think I have located one that is closer to the reality.

In your link the byline is: "Geologists have discovered evidence of a vast underground ocean deep beneath the Earth’s surface". According to The Guardian, "After decades of searching scientists have discovered that a vast reservoir of water, enough to fill the Earth’s oceans three times over, may be trapped hundreds of miles beneath the surface." And heaven forbid, this vast underground ocean may be trapped, trapped I tell you, within the planet. How horrible! Next thing we know the Fundies will be calling for an expedition to unlock it again just to prove that there really was a fellow named Noah, and it really did come gushing out of the depths to flood the entire surface of the planet, before scurrying back down into the ground again.

Nothing beats a sensational story for the whores. Just look at the global warming scare tactics for a classic example. And here is one more example from these mental children: "Scientists have long speculated that our oceans originated from the depths of the Earth, and have been looking for such a discovery for decades." And this one is even more outlandish: "Geophysicist Steve Jacobsen from Northwestern University in the US co-authored the study published in the journal Science and said the discovery suggested Earth’s water may have come from within, driven to the surface by geological activity, rather than being deposited by icy comets hitting the forming planet as held by the prevailing theories." I've looked at all of the direct quotes and nowhere did Jacobsen, or anyone else, say that at all. He was just interpreted as saying it. Nowhere did he say that the water originated from within the rocks, disproving that the water originally came from outside the planet, i.e. comets.

And here's another kicker. This entire sensation is derived from this single tiny little piece of diamond, and nothing else.

[Image: 140312-ringwoodite-graham-pearson-12608-....jpg?w=480]

They are inferring all this speculation from that one tiny piece. And the Whores are going bonkers over it all. Simply amazing. Whatever happened to confirmation through numerous sampling? Or is this what science is coming down to these days?

But this article is perhaps the best one I have seen so far, and they are not as sensational about things. Earth has a secret reservoir of water, and this meteorite-like diamond is proof. The part worth closer scrutiny is this one:

Quote:Plate tectonics recycles Earth's crust by pushing and pulling slabs of oceanic crust into subduction zones, where it sinks into the mantle. This crust, soaked by the ocean, ferries water into the mantle. Many of these slabs end up stuck in the mantle transition zone. "We think that a significant portion of the water in the mantle transition zone is from the emplacement of these slabs," Pearson said. "The transition zone seems to be a graveyard of subducted slabs."

[Image: EarthsMantleGraph_e_0312.jpg]

Keppler noted that it's possible the volcanic eruption that brought the deep diamond to Earth's surface may have sampled an unusually water-rich part of the mantle, and that not all of the transition-zone layer may be as wet as indicated by the ringwoodite.

"If the source of the magma is an unusual mantle reservoir, there is the possibility that, at other places in the transition zone, ringwoodite contains less water than the sample found by Pearson and colleagues," Keppler wrote. "However, in light of this sample, models with anhydrous, or water-poor, transition zones seem rather unlikely."

But note that even Keppler is hedging his bets by trying to have it all both ways in the last sentence. The truth is that "in light of the sample", it is just one sample only.

But scientists agree that it is subduction causing all this, and not the possibility of H2O originating from within the planet. And there is no ocean underground. Its just water molecules locked within rocks, which could add up to a whole lot of water. But it would not be remotely noticeable unless the water was taken out of the rock. For example, just go outside, take any rock you find, then take it inside and heat it under laboratory conditions. Water will come out of it. That is how things work in the real world.

Which just proves that the Whores are not really interested in truth, accuracy, or even knowledge for that matter: only sensationalism.
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