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Reversing Desertification
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Anthony Watts, over at his site WUWT has the following statement concerning this presentation on TED, "This is one of the most important posts ever on WUWT." And I find a great deal to agree with on his statement. What is so amazing about this presentation is the proof that sometimes the simplest things are the most important, and those simplest things are usually the most easily overlooked.

I highly recommend this video for Everyone to watch. Its worth every second you spend watching it, because this is the answer to the world's desertification problem.

I'll let you watch the video to find the answer to the problem.

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#2
Here is the long version. If you really enjoyed the first, shorter presentation, this one will fill in any questions, and holes that may have been in the first video. Allan Savory gets more technical here.

Also, the video can be seen full screen just by hitting the expansion tab in the video, just to the right of the volume control. Enjoy. S1

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#3
Nobody finds this worthy of comment?
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#4
It does not line the pockets of either Big Oil or the Al Gore/CAGW crowd, nor does it bring money into the "Save the World" eco-extremists, so while it is a good concept, it probably won't get the traction it deserves.

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#5
Well, that is one of the reasons why I like it. Especially if Algore gets nothing out of it. S6
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#6
Sorry I don't have anything to say about it other than I think he's got a point and I enjoyed the presentation.
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#7
Yeah, that's what I was hoping others would say. This solution is so straight forward and simple, it should be tried a lot more. And more people should be made aware of the solution.
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#8
Fasicinating. Obvious conclusions:

One should put McDonald's in charge of desertifying lands, this will create burgers to feed McDonald's and the herders.

However, after McDonald's saves the earth and eliminates climate change, there will be innumerable more people.
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#9
All those cattle will create so much manure that it will overwhelm the land and contaminate the water table. This is already a serious problem for farm lands throughout the beef and dairy lands of the central plains states. Furthermore, you can feed twelve times as many people with the vegetation you would use to feed one cow, than the cow's ground up flesh could feed. What wisdom would there be in turning saving the land over to McDonalds? They are a large part of the problem!
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(03-16-2013, 07:42 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: All those cattle will create so much manure that it will overwhelm the land and contaminate the water table. This is already a serious problem for farm lands throughout the beef and dairy lands of the central plains states. Furthermore, you can feed twelve times as many people with the vegetation you would use to feed one cow, than the cow's ground up flesh could feed. What wisdom would there be in turning saving the land over to McDonalds? They are a large part of the problem!

Ron, this is what you get for not taking the time to watch the entire video. Had you done so you would know that the thesis is to have roving/migrating herds, like existed before fences put a halt to those sort of things.

Go watch the video and you will see what the good gentleman was really stating. Please take the time and watch it, because it is the practical, and doable, answer. S5

As for the "McDonalds" thing in "jt's" post, I believe he was using 'tongue-in-cheek'.
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(03-16-2013, 05:47 PM)jt Wrote: Fasicinating. Obvious conclusions:

One should put McDonald's in charge of desertifying lands, this will create burgers to feed McDonald's and the herders.

However, after McDonald's saves the earth and eliminates climate change, there will be innumerable more people.

Whoa!

Ronald McDonald for President!

I know, there are those here who would not recommend replacing one clown for another...

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#12
Seriously Ron, it's a good video.

I don't think it's catching on amongst the "Save the earth" crowd because its method of saving the earth is *cheap*, doesn't frak over the US, and gives us lots of yummy meat. Those are all antithetical to the eviro's goals.
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Dr Tim Ball weighs in on the issue with the limitations of this theory: The Climate Mechanisms of World Deserts and Limitations in Allan Savory’s thesis.
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#14
If you have roving, migrating herds, how will ownership of the herds be maintained?

When I lived for a couple of years in northeastern Washington state (north of Spokane), it was common for the cattle owners to let their cattle go wandering in the mountain wilderness during the warm part of the year (especially the Kallispell Mountain area), then they gathered together the herds and brought them down in the late fall. There were always a few cattle that went missing, and I do not know how owners kept track of their herds if other herds were in the area. Of course the cattle were all branded, but it would take a lot of time and effort to sort them all out visually according to brand marks. The cattle owners seemed to make it work.

Maybe we should bring back the great buffalo herds that used to fill the plains.
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#15
The easiest way would be 'tagging' if mixed herds were used.

As for bringing back bison, I'm all for it.
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(03-25-2013, 02:26 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: If you have roving, migrating herds, how will ownership of the herds be maintained?...Maybe we should bring back the great buffalo herds that used to fill the plains.
That may also bring back the philosophy of the hunting ground. We don't own any herd or land, we just gratefully access what is there.
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