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Drone Fiasco
#41
Extra-judicial execution is a particularly ugly patch of "moral high ground" to hold ... this should have been completely left to the Democrats ... McCain and Graham could have simply confirmed Brennan and held their tongues but like dogs, when they see a big pile of smelly crap they can't help but take a roll in it.

The only beef I have with Paul (and he might have covered this as he certainly had the time) was that he could have used his "extended remarks" to ask how the new chief spook's expertise with robo killer toy planes is going to help counter the Chinese or how they'll prevent a North Korean or Iranian or Pakistani nuke off some old rusty freighter that docks in one of our ports. Seriously, if there are more folks that read and speak Arabic than Mandarin at CIA or more people running X-Box joysticks than handling cyber security we're all very, very screwed.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#42
You read my many posts stating that Bush 43 was wrong in believing he had to follow the Reagan strategy of not defending himself in office, so as not to demean the Presidency. He misunderstood Reagan in that. Reagan DID defend himself - just not in the terms set by the MSM.

Reagan said that history would judge what happens - but Bush took that too literally, and had always believed bipartisanship was an end in itself.

Your memory is faulty. Bush 43 should have fought back - but chose not to.

Clinton didn't just fight back - he lied about everything and the media rubber-stamped him, ever so much as they do with Obama.

Bush was the leader of your team, too - but too many teammates didn't pull together. I influenced him many times with my efforts, combined with others. No leader leads in a vacuum.
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#43
(03-10-2013, 08:07 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Bush was the leader of your team, too - but too many teammates didn't pull together. I influenced him many times with my efforts, combined with others. No leader leads in a vacuum.

I officially quit being a DOPer in 1995, as a result of Gingrich's inability to lead the house, and his stupid mess of the first sequester fiasco. I had finally had my fill of a constant Keystone Cops routine.



And they haven't gotten any better either, just bigger Big Government spenders. Yea Team!!

Soooo, just because they are still Your team, does not automatically equate into my team. He was my president, but that is a different animal.

And you actually influenced him? How did you ever manage to do that Bill?
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#44
I was a part of the millions of people who contacted representatives and Senators and the administration, and reversed the stated actions before they could come to pass. Without our efforts, many policy decisions would have been made to our detriment.

You must work at things to get your issues through.
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#45
I'm happy to hear that your call stirred him to act.

When you stated " I influenced him many times with my efforts, combined with others", I thought you were taking credit for being the one who influenced him. Since you did not say, "I, and millions like me, influenced.........". I naturally assumed you were taking all the credit. Can you see where poor dupes and dummies, such as myself, can misinterpret things you state, without knowing the whole story?
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#46
If anyone here supports any of these drone kills, consider it happening in your town.

Your wife and kid come out of Kroger's, head to their car and a car explodes about 50 yards away. 2 men, 1 elderly lady and an infant are exploded.

You learn the men are alleged by Barack Obama to be al qaeda. IF that isn't good with you in your town, how can it be somewhere else?
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#47
(03-10-2013, 08:35 PM)WmLambert Wrote: I was a part of the millions of people who contacted representatives and Senators and the administration, and reversed the stated actions before they could come to pass. Without our efforts, many policy decisions would have been made to our detriment.

You must work at things to get your issues through.

It must be nice to live where you live. Because here in Colorado we call them, write them, email them, go to their stupid town hall meetings ... speak our piece ... and then the 'rats go back and do what ever the f*ck they want anyway. Half the time when I call my Senators offices, they don't even take contact information ... which means they're not even bothering to keep score.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#48
(03-10-2013, 08:58 PM)John L Wrote: I'm happy to hear that your call stirred him to act.

When you stated " I influenced him many times with my efforts, combined with others", I thought you were taking credit for being the one who influenced him. Since you did not say, "I, and millions like me, influenced.........". I naturally assumed you were taking all the credit. Can you see where poor dupes and dummies, such as myself, can misinterpret things you state, without knowing the whole story?

Don't be offensive. You know I didn't take credit for being the one and only motivator that changed the announced directions. However, without me, and million just like me, had we done what you advocate and left things to marinate in their own juices, I hate to think what the "settled law" would be today.

You are not a dupe or a dummy. But you are purposefully searching for issues to project your ideology. I hope you don't give up your passion - but I do hope you rethink your belligerence.
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#49
Well, Yak, what else do you expect from that sort of person who manages to get into office?

So far, it seems the downside to technology is the ability gov't gains from using it to it's own ends.
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#50
(03-17-2013, 06:41 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: So far, it seems the downside to technology is the ability gov't gains from using it to it's own ends.

That could change in a jiffy. Iran spoofed one of these things in a war zone. The real problem with an invincibility complex is that it tends to create real vulnerability.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#51
Yea, but I do not see average Americans possessing much in terms of SAMs, which seems to be required in bringing down such a craft from orbit. Plus, the pocketbooks of the US gov't can afford to crank them out (they don't care about debt, so why care about price?).

Perhaps there will be a real vulnerability, and that it can be exploited, but the means to so might require more than what the average person is willing to do.

It just seems that every technological advance allows gov't to do more, see more, and ultimately control more. Such a promising thing as the glory of technology shouldn't make one depressed, but it does with me. Instead of going to space, drones look down and report on activities or kill people from orbit.

Another thing with drone use is the added degree of separation between the person and the act. If the act is done through myriad layers of technology, then the person on the one end feels less of the impact of that act. If a drone is used over US airspace for nefarious purposes, it just becomes just that much easier to do so for the people doing it.
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#52
Iran didn't use any SAMs. They managed to exploit a vulnerability that wasn't supposed to exist ... do they strike you as a race of super-geniuses? I'm sure the military fixed whatever boo boo existed - I believe it was a GPS issue that the Air Force was already warned about ... so now the robo toys are back to being 'invincible' ... right?

They're inexpensive and expendable. No where near as deadly or impressive as say a nuke. So they are taken far less seriously ... enough so that they can get spoofed by Mullahs. You don't see this as fertile ground for an entire universe of unintended consequences?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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