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#21
(03-09-2013, 03:01 PM)John L Wrote: This Rand Paul vs McCain/Graham food fight has quickly reached critical mass. And as mentioned by Buzz in his rant thread, the Leftists are also getting in on it ...

It's entertaining as hell. Listening to same people that vigorously oppose capital punishment trying to excuse extra-judicial execution has me laughing so hard, I'm gonna need adult diapers soon ... S13

... then again, they have no problem pithing the brain of an 'inconvinient' child ... their direction of their moral compass seems to depend on the direction of the breeze ... so I guess it shouldn't surprise anyone when they completely accept pink misting innocent bystanders ... but demand leniency for mass murderers.

Hey John, not to tweek you over McCain or anything but ... check out the new point man on immigration ... ... hint ... same as the old point man on immigration.
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#22
Naah, you're not tweaking me Jack. I have a pretty good sense of humour, and can poke fun at myself just as easily as someone else.
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#23
It would be nice not to be on defense all the time, but what can you do when no offensive attack is covered by a complicit media - and when any of it is covered, it is immediately refuted by the very journalists who should be verifying it?
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#24
(03-09-2013, 04:55 PM)John L Wrote: Naah, you're not tweaking me Jack. I have a pretty good sense of humour, and can poke fun at myself just as easily as someone else.

Aw shucks. Anyway, if my party (what you are currently calling the DOP) were clever (yes, I know, I know), they'd craft something that actually facilitated 'legal' immigration which would screw the Jackasses at their own game. But McCain is involved ... so they'll probably come up with SOS. S4
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(03-09-2013, 08:13 PM)WmLambert Wrote: It would be nice not to be on defense all the time, but what can you do when no offensive attack is covered by a complicit media - and when any of it is covered, it is immediately refuted by the very journalists who should be verifying it?

It would be nice if the steady erosion of American liberty wasn't so cloaked under the guise of an endless war. It seems like our national leaders like to either be waging war externally or turning their resources against the people within our own borders. Obama has finally managed the best of both worlds. Getting to dictate his own list of people who need to die elsewhere in the world, while his AG writes up memos sanctioning aerial executions of citizens within our own borders.

Hey, they're from the government and they're here to help right?

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#26
Yeah, it's easy to dismiss doing anything right when ignoring the Islamic jihad would be so much better. right?
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(03-09-2013, 08:59 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Yeah, it's easy to dismiss doing anything right when ignoring the Islamic jihad would be so much better. right?

The public has been more or less ignoring it for some time. The fact that we are at war only surfaces when our government feels the need for warrant-less infringements or to justify the 'hypothetical' homicides of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Remember when Democrat's disparaged the "war on terror"? Now they've learned to quit worrying and fall in love with the whole idea of infinite conflict. For heaven sakes, declare victory already and move on. Then quietly do all the nasty below the radar "cold war" sh*t that needs to be done ... and try to do it without splatting too many non-combatants. More I think to your point, it would be nice if we had a media that was actually a little more interested in illustrating the fact that that the bad guys really are the 'bad' guys.
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(03-09-2013, 08:13 PM)WmLambert Wrote: It would be nice not to be on defense all the time, but what can you do when no offensive attack is covered by a complicit media - and when any of it is covered, it is immediately refuted by the very journalists who should be verifying it?

Isn't it funny that the only portion of your party, the Libertarian wing, is doing fine making waves and gaining all sorts of publicity. In the mean time, the highly esteemed Ruling Class leadership of your party, is off doing what they do best.

And while the Whore Media is guilty of professional malfeasance, there is obviously more to this than a simple one part explanation you are so good at stating. Perhaps you should look a little bit closer and expand your target area.

(03-09-2013, 08:21 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(03-09-2013, 04:55 PM)John L Wrote: Naah, you're not tweaking me Jack. I have a pretty good sense of humour, and can poke fun at myself just as easily as someone else.

Aw shucks. Anyway, if my party (what you are currently calling the DOP) were clever (yes, I know, I know), they'd craft something that actually facilitated 'legal' immigration which would screw the Jackasses at their own game. But McCain is involved ... so they'll probably come up with SOS. S4

You just put your finger on the real problem Jack. And as Pogo so famously stated, "We have met the enemy and he is Us".

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Incidentally, I have finally settled on the logical progression. I'm still going to use Dumbasses, because the overwhelming majority of them really are. But for general usage, I think just calling them DOPs(dopes) is so easy to slide off the tongue. Used interchangeably, both DOPs and Dumbasses pretty much gets the point across quite well.

I need to somehow get a call into Beck this week and suggest he use both words. He just started using DOP, this last week, but DOPs is so easy to get across for everyone, don't you think?
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#29
(03-09-2013, 09:42 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(03-09-2013, 08:59 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Yeah, it's easy to dismiss doing anything right when ignoring the Islamic jihad would be so much better. right?

The public has been more or less ignoring it for some time. The fact that we are at war only surfaces when our government feels the need for warrant-less infringements or to justify the 'hypothetical' homicides of U.S. citizens on U.S. soil. Remember when Democrat's disparaged the "war on terror"? Now they've learned to quit worrying and fall in love with the whole idea of infinite conflict. For heaven sakes, declare victory already and move on. Then quietly do all the nasty below the radar "cold war" sh*t that needs to be done ... and try to do it without splatting too many non-combatants. More I think to your point, it would be nice if we had a media that was actually a little more interested in illustrating the fact that that the bad guys really are the 'bad' guys.

I know I have been saying this for years now, but the sad truth is that we are only in a semi-war of sorts. And too it is not constitutional. "De facto" is not the same as "de jure". The constitution clearly states that if we are going to go to war against an entity, we must go through certain procedures laid out within the constitution.

But Junior did not do this, even when he had the votes and the ability to do such. Instead, his Big Government attitude made him think that he would have the power and get away with going to war, but not have to make it official/formal.

Well, look where we are now. We have successfully invaded two countries, won the battle, but left sitting around and losing the war. And just look at the costs in lives, wasted money, missed opportunities, etc, etc, etc.

And like Patrick, I went along with it at first, but have since learned to deeply regret it, just as he has. And we(the country) have gotten ourselves stuck to the TarBaby and cannot pull ourselfs loose. And to paraphrase the MASH folks, "So we went to war, and all we got for it was this Lousy 'Patriot Act' t-shirt". I feel so warm and fuzzy about it all, just thinking of my lost liberties.

let's hear if for Junior and going around the constitution. Works every time, doesn't it?
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#30
The Islamic jihad my ass.

All of our lives and assets are under far more threat from the various governments we pay taxes to than all the Muslims, all the communists , all the fascists, all the devil worshippers and all the other non US state actors on earth we're so determined to "need protecting from".

Muslims wouldn't know the US existed if we weren't so determined to be Rome and try ruling the Arab peninsula along with the rest of the globe. We're messing up our own nation, why should we try to rule the globe?
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#31
I totally agree with you Patrick. The biggest enemy we have is our government. Anyone who cannot see this is goofy IMO.

There is nothing Islam cannot do to us we cannot do, only more so.
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#32
IF you live in a Muslim state or next to one, then Islamic jihad is a legitimate concern and for everyone's information, the Americans are advancing the cause of Islamic jihadists across north Africa and the Arab Peninsula while Americans cheer lead them.

So, expressing fears of Islamic jihad while living here and supporting the state's operations to assist jihadists really doesn't add up.

Here, go live here and worry about jihad. Or, go to the near east and see it assisted courtesy of the United States of America.
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#33
After all these years I am still trying to find where Islam is a religion of peace. Has anyone found passages about loving one's neighbors as themselves, or the value of being a good samaritan, that actually state that? In the New Testament it is quite abundant. Jesus was constantly preaching for this.

And whatever led Junior to make that wacko statement in the first place? Was it politics, or just outright stupidity? Or a combination of both.

And why do we encourage these folks to migrate over here and spread their 'love' to the rest of us? For all the wasted funding we could have applied it to sending missionaries in order to spread the Word. The body count would still be lower, and we would accomplish much more.

And remember, the more you persecute Christians, the more their cause grows. Its historical fact.
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(03-09-2013, 11:32 PM)John L Wrote: Incidentally, I have finally settled on the logical progression. I'm still going to use Dumbasses, because the overwhelming majority of them really are. But for general usage, I think just calling them DOPs(dopes) is so easy to slide off the tongue. Used interchangeably, both DOPs and Dumbasses pretty much gets the point across quite well.

So you've abandoned S&G then? Can this imply that you've observed some minute traces of spinal and/or intestinal growth? S13
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#35
Ward Churchill, Ron Paul, and a few others blamed the 9-11 attacks on the U.S.

There was a Democrat strategy, begun in Bush 43's first term after 9-11, to turn public opinion away from the high support numbers in the polls. The first part was faulty memories, of how the Democrats, as well as everyone else, stood together to agree on a military response to the al Qaida attacks - and then turn it somehow into a Bush lie. Then there was a Clinton embassy appointee who saw how the system worked and decided to try for some of the easy money being handed out, so she made up a letter that just coincidentally happened to be correct. Joseph Wilson confirmed that the Iraqi Information Minister was sent to Niger and other African countries to negotiate secret deals on Yellowcake and other weapons-grade Nuke materiel. The letter was bogus, yet its content was valid. Tenet said the CIA couldn't verify the forged letter - Duh! We couldn't tell if it was Farsi or parsley! Thank God the Mossad and MI6 let Bush know the Iraqi effort to get enriched Uranium was ramping up. The whole thing was a purpose-built disinformation campaign. The next step was to denounce the war in Iraq, itself, as based on politics and also poorly run. Durbin, Kerry, Reid, and Obama all denounced the war as lost... not unwinnable, but already lost. And then the Surge happened and the same dissenters claimed victory. As soon as they could, they went back to negativity.

In that tainted theater of the absurd, there really was no way to come away with an untarnished victory. Had the media praised the war effort, as was done in WWII, then the world-wide opinion of the USA would also be elevated, and when the US left, there would be thankfulness instead of talk of vengeance.

We live in an unnecessary world of conflict which never had to weigh out the way it has.
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(03-10-2013, 03:08 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(03-09-2013, 11:32 PM)John L Wrote: Incidentally, I have finally settled on the logical progression. I'm still going to use Dumbasses, because the overwhelming majority of them really are. But for general usage, I think just calling them DOPs(dopes) is so easy to slide off the tongue. Used interchangeably, both DOPs and Dumbasses pretty much gets the point across quite well.

So you've abandoned S&G then? Can this imply that you've observed some minute traces of spinal and/or intestinal growth? S13

Not really. I'm just gravitating to the most descriptive, humorous, and applicable designation I can come up with, and prevent Bill from going Postal on us. S13

I remember starting out with "S&G"(Stupid and Gutless) to "C&G"(Clueless and Gutless), to Dumbasses, and now DOP. Clearly they really aren't stupid as in the "Stupid Party" which some call them. And they aren't totally clueless either.

Hidebound, unimaginative, herd mentality, team dependent, and fear of change/unknown, are just some of the descriptors I would use. I see the same traits in Robert And Bill on a recurring basis. I'll leave you out of the discussion Jack. S13

They act this way because they are comfortable where they are residing, and moving away from it, even when they know their position is untenable, requires taking certain risks. Most people are like that and that is why they are almost never solely in business for themselves. Too much danger of not being successful.

That reminds me of something someone once stated: "Ahh, tis' better to be the littlest star than the biggest planet."
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#37
Some are, some aren't.
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#38
You are also in too much of a hurry Bill. Go back and reread my final editing.

Anyway, I can see that I have still no problem 'peaking' your interest. S13
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(03-10-2013, 03:10 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Durbin, Kerry, Reid, and Obama all denounced the war as lost... not unwinnable, but already lost. And then the Surge happened and the same dissenters claimed victory. As soon as they could, they went back to negativity.

The pendulum has swung with such a frequency it's position can no longer be defined. It's like an atomic energy level ... the electron (or our war status) no longer has a defined 'position' ... just a statistical probability of occupying one position versus another. People are tired and dizzy and confused. Give it a rest. I'm not saying to ignore the sh*theads. I'm simply saying that we should quit re-declaring war every time that NSA wants to listen in on a phone conversation and then ignoring the WOT (or whatever the acronym is these days) until the next time that it's convenient to bring up to justify the latest 'variance' to the U.S. Constitution.

WmLambert Wrote:We live in an unnecessary world of conflict which never had to weigh out the way it has.

That's because we continue to accept the way it has weighed out. We've been at this longer than any other hot war in U.S. history. And I think you're neglecting the notion that there will always be a point where people get sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Do you really think the public is going to continue lining up behind sending their kids to fight in a conflict that's defined more and more by lawyers and less and less by military leaders?
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(03-10-2013, 03:10 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Ward Churchill, Ron Paul, and a few others blamed the 9-11 attacks on the U.S.

There was a Democrat strategy, begun in Bush 43's first term after 9-11, to turn public opinion away from the high support numbers in the polls. The first part was faulty memories, of how the Democrats, as well as everyone else, stood together to agree on a military response to the al Qaida attacks - and then turn it somehow into a Bush lie. Then there was a Clinton embassy appointee who saw how the system worked and decided to try for some of the easy money being handed out, so she made up a letter that just coincidentally happened to be correct. Joseph Wilson confirmed that the Iraqi Information Minister was sent to Niger and other African countries to negotiate secret deals on Yellowcake and other weapons-grade Nuke materiel. The letter was bogus, yet its content was valid. Tenet said the CIA couldn't verify the forged letter - Duh! We couldn't tell if it was Farsi or parsley! Thank God the Mossad and MI6 let Bush know the Iraqi effort to get enriched Uranium was ramping up. The whole thing was a purpose-built disinformation campaign. The next step was to denounce the war in Iraq, itself, as based on politics and also poorly run. Durbin, Kerry, Reid, and Obama all denounced the war as lost... not unwinnable, but already lost. And then the Surge happened and the same dissenters claimed victory. As soon as they could, they went back to negativity.

In that tainted theater of the absurd, there really was no way to come away with an untarnished victory. Had the media praised the war effort, as was done in WWII, then the world-wide opinion of the USA would also be elevated, and when the US left, there would be thankfulness instead of talk of vengeance.

We live in an unnecessary world of conflict which never had to weigh out the way it has.

Its funny, and quite illustrative, that not one time do I ever remember you placing a goodly portion of the blame for all this squarely on the shoulders of Junior, who kept his "Yapper" closed and never once defended himself. And he never went after them for their outrageous statements.

Bubba never tolerated this, and immediately countered any criticism, but Junior......................................................?

But Hey, after all he was the leader of your Team. And it is strictly Verboten to criticize one's team upon pain of making one's self look small?
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