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Fracking, And Gas Production In The US
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I about fell on the floor when I read this: The Environmental Defense Fund Comes Out In Support Of Fracking. Granted this is about getting rid of coal.

But things have changed here. Once upon a time this group, and others, opposed anything that they remotely thought bad. Now, they are taking sides with what they more logically consider the best of choices. I'm really shocked on this.

My guess is that fracking is going to begin moving full speed ahead , as more Eco-Wackos start seeing a little logic. This is amazing.
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I know there is an awful lot of politics regarding Fracking. But it is also a science that is about to go into high gear in the US. And like Churchill's comment that "A Lie gets half way around the world before the truth can get its pants on" this whole issue can be very telling here.

The 2010 documentary Gasland, was the first salvo in the anti-fracking Ecologist movement. and it was followed by the high budget movie "Promised Land", starring Matt Damian.

And finally the other side has managed to get dressed and put out an counter to the anti-fracking debate: Gasland. I'm not certain how well Frackland is doing. But it is not a high budget movie, like Promised Land, which had a budget of fifteen million dollars, and has only made back about half its original costs.

But the success of one, over the other, can be seen on Facebook. Breitbart states that "'FrackNation' Trounces 'Promised Land' in Facebook Duel

Quote:A micro-indie project like FrackNation should get trounced by a film promoted by one of the biggest movie stars on the planet.

Matt Damon's Promised Land, an anti-fracking polemic gussied up as a Serious Oscar Contender, got shellacked by FrackNation in the battle of Facebook all the same.

Promised Land's Facebook page features 12,155 "likes" and 318 Facebook users "talking about this."

The FrackNation Facebook page, by contrast, has 22,117 "likes" and a robust 3,297 people "talking about this."

FrackNation director Phelim McAleer shared some of his views on social media with Breitbart News, tips conservative filmmakers should heed the next time they consider a Facebook-based marketing campaign:

-Social media is about community building. That means dissent as well as celebration. Promised Land from very early on deleted comments that were negative or even questioning of the film, [co-stars] Matt Damon & John Krasinski, or the validity of anti-fracking claims. Regardless of their intent, this isn't a good sign for engagement. People are less inclined to interact if they think their posts are going to be removed.
-They went so far as to turn off Timeline posting for fans. This isn't a good sign to the growing community. It shows that the page owners are less interested in building a community and more interested in using Facebook as a broadcast tool. It shuts off an avenue of communication with the audience.
-The page itself did little or no interacting with its members or other pages. Again, this is using the medium like a broadcasting tool instead of a two-way communication tool. It's a top-down approach that social media users react negatively to.
-When things got tough, they abandoned ship. The last serious post from the page was on January 11. The film's wide release was only on January 4! It's clear that Promised Land wasn't out to create a sustainable community of fans. It was more like an electronic billboard.

While this is not a scientific set of numbers to use definitely, it is nonetheless a direct indication of just how accepted fracking is within the citizenry. I somehow suspect this is one battle the Eco-Wacko community is not going to take away as a victory.

And I believe there are articles about the difference between the economic outcome in Pennsylvania, and its New York neighbors. The former has embraced fracking and the later hasn't. My understanding is that there is a world of difference here.


Incidentally, I am about to watch Frackland tonight, tomorrow at the latest. I'll have a pretty good idea about this then.
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And here I thought frack and fracking were cuss words used in Battlestar Gallatica!
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Little off this subject, but, basically the same. We have sincere environmentalists who are just fearful and wrong, IMO. I think Buzz is like this.

Then you have those who worship money above all things. Is Obama like this? I don't know and his opposition to the Keystone line may be environmental based(I don't see how since it appears the oil is already coming here via rail and would go to China if it didn't come here).

With Warren Buffet involved, it sure looks like this is nothing but corporatism at it's worst.

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This is why Fascists need two groups of people to attain their objectives. First off, they need a Ruling Class, who love power, and are willing to use that power to enhance that same power. And secondly, they need dupes, who are either sincere, or too intellectually defunct, to know how they are being steered.

This is exactly how Benito Mussolini envisioned the real target: Marxism. He was a dedicated Marxist/Socialist, who was smart enough to know that this had to be accomplished through stages, and Fascism, i.e.Corporatism, was just that vehicle.
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Our Jackass Gov. (Hinkenlooper) managed a theatrical gesture on the subject. His own 'rat legislature is probably not going to give much breathing room or quarter to the industry ... but as much as I can't stand the guy, at least he sees the complete tomf*ckery involved in turning the regulatory authority completely over to the feds. On the other hand, the state is trying to remove the ability of localities to have any say in the matter. So what's good for the goose ain't for the gander ... that's how our 'rat state rolls these days ...
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Well, I just finished watching FrackNation, and I have to say that I enjoyed it greatly. It is actually a rebuttal of the highly successful anti-fracking film "GasLand", by Josh Fox. And the fact that Mr. Fox refuses to talk to the filmmaker pretty much sums up who is, and who isn't, being forthright.

But I learned something quite interesting in the film. Filmmaker Phelim McAleer goes around the world, contacting fracking experts, and he stops over in England to talk to one of the big experts, and it becomes obvious that of all the anti-fracking big wigs, there is one Huge Anti-fracking kingpin out there. And he is the reason why Europe is even worse off than the US when it comes to anti-fracking hysteria. Any idea who that kingpin may be?

Well, let me point out a few things here. First of all, the world's largest exporter of energy is no longer Saudi Arabia. It is now second, and second to.....................................Russia. That's right Russia is the biggest exporter, and especially that of natural gas. So who do you think hates to see other countries obtaining natural gas from their own sources?

If you say former KGB Colonel Vladimir Vladimirovich,....YOU WIN!! The film showed our dear leader getting upset over the concept of fracking, and for good reason.

But the big question is...........how much does Uncle Vladimir Vladimirovich have to do with funding the Anti-Fracking movement world wide? And just how much is he putting into the pockets of the EuroEcko-Wacko movements? And do we even have a record of what he may be funneling? And having been a colonel in KGB, how many tricks of his former trade is he still using today?

This one part of the movie really grabbed my attention, causing my imagination to start working overtime. In fact I am going to start looking for any news that may show Russia trying to influence the movement to put brakes on other parts of the world attempting to become energy independent, or less dependent.

I just thought I would pass this alone, and highly recommend everyone watch this documentary when they get the chance. Its interesting, entertaining, and highly informative.
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Here's an American Enterprise Institute article on fracking: Benefits of hydraulic fracking.
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(02-23-2013, 09:16 PM)John L Wrote: But the big question is...........how much does Uncle Vladimir Vladimirovich have to do with funding the Anti-Fracking movement world wide? And just how much is he putting into the pockets of the EuroEcko-Wacko movements?

Most likely answer is *nothing at all*. Anti-fracking forces are sufficiently strong, especially in Europe, that dumping $s into them is not likely to achieve anything. And Putin is smart enough to see this.

Do notice that fracking advances and increased production in the US is not all that damaging to Gazprom's bottom line... but increased production either in Europe or China will be.

As for the Saudis: they will drop to the 3rd place soon the way things are going.
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Fracking won't be slowed down, IMO. Just like with the keystone pipeline, the oil is already flowing here via Buffet's trains, there is money to be made and that's how our government makes decisions.
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Tax, tax, tax!
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#12
Oh my, the Big Lie continues with Gasland, Part II.

And,

Quote:Phelim McAleer, the journalist who recently released the pro-fracking documentary “FrackNation,” told TheBlaze in a phone interview Monday he and farmers were questioning Fox while he was on the red carpet for the premier about the EPA’s recent studies, which have debunked some of his original film’s claims.

“The questions were pointed but polite, very polite,” McAleer said.

But when McAleer and others tried to enter the theater to watch “Gasland II” they were barred entry, even though they had the appropriate badges and tickets.

My guess is that this is exactly what they wanted, so as to use it in their FrackNation, Part II which will almost certainly be forthcoming.
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,Reason magazine tackles The Top 5 Lies About Fracking.
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And at last it looks like the feds are finally making it official: Study finds fracking chemicals didn't pollute water.

Quote:A landmark federal study on hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, shows no evidence that chemicals from the natural gas drilling process moved up to contaminate drinking water aquifers at a western Pennsylvania drilling site, the Department of Energy told The Associated Press.

After a year of monitoring, the researchers found that the chemical-laced fluids used to free gas trapped deep below the surface stayed thousands of feet below the shallower areas that supply drinking water, geologist Richard Hammack said.

Does this mean that fracking is now out of the woods, and the Eco-Wackos will halt their frantic shouting? Don't count on it. After all, this is a religion, and all religions require faith, no matter how illogical this one. Look for an increased 'double-downing' from the Church of Environmentalism.

More to come: stay tuned. S5
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The Atlantic explains why Fracking is such a good thing for us: Shut Up and Drill: Why Fracking Could End the Age of Gas Price Spikes.

Quote:Fracking is altogether different. It's not just an innovative way to get at previously unreachable oil reserves. It alters the very nature of the oil and gasoline supply chain.

A traditional well might produce 50 barrels of oil a day when it opens, but it will produce close to that for more than a generation. Newly fracked wells have been known to produce over 7,000 barrels a day. That torrent will slow to a trickle in as a little as 18 months, but the rush of oil fundamentally changes the dynamics. OIl is produced so quickly there often isn't time to lay pipelines. Much of the oil from North Dakota's prolific Bakken Shale has made it to market by train.

Train transport is more expensive, but it also more flexible. Pipelines have a fixed destination, but tanker cars can unload anywhere a terminal is designed to accept oil. These facts -- gushing wells and flexible delivery by rail -- mean that fracked oil operations function more like a just-in-time service than a decades-long industrial investment.

The oil itself is also different in composition. Traditional crude is thicker and heavier. Refineries are designed to make the most out each barrel, separating out the light components (which become gasoline) medium components (diesel fuel and kerosene), and heavy components (asphalt).

Fracked oil rarely contains heavier molecules. Much of it nearly qualifies as natural gasoline, a descriptor typically applied to certain liquids extracted at natural gas processing facilities. Natural gasoline, as the name suggests, is very close to the stuff you that you put in your car and requires relatively mild refining and blending before it can be sold at the neighborhood gas station. For fracked oil, the heavy-duty refining operations designed for conventional oil are overkill.

As a result, older East Coast refineries that were once slated to be shut down -- like Sunoco Philadelphia -- have been revived as destinations for fracked crude. These refineries cannot compete with the sophisticated operations on the Gulf Coast and Midwest when it comes to processing thicker grades, but they can handle the light, fracked oil just fine.

This new oil production chain is still maturing, but it promises exactly what gasoline consumers have longed for: an industry that responds to shortages with increased supply rather than increased prices. In Eagle Ford, operators have been able to drill wells in as little as 10 days. Within a month those wells will produce millions of barrels of oil. That oil can be delivered by tanker car to just about any refinery in the nation and processed into gasoline.

Crises will continue to erupt and global oil supplies will continue to be threatened. Yet, now we have the means to fight back. The production of gasoline from domestically sourced, hydraulically fracked oil can be ramped up within months, and ever increasing pain at the pump can finally be relieved.
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U.S. Is Overtaking Russia as Largest Oil-and-Gas Producer The Wall Street Journal
..and I'v read that some poeple told that the US should become exporters!
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Fred, all of that is coming soon. In fact, check out this news from Texas: New data show ‘meteoric’ rise of Texas oil.

Quote: Oil production in Texas has hit its highest monthly rate on record, more than doubling in less than three years, according new federal data.

The state pumped 2.7 million barrels of crude per day during September, the highest monthly average since at least January 1981. Texas oil production had been declining since the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s monthly record-keeping began in 1981. But the tide abruptly turned in 2008 with the beginning of the shale oil and gas boom.

For 25 straight months, the state’s oil production rate has increased by more than 25 percent year-over-year, notes economist Mark J. Perry, a professor at the University of Michigan’s School of Management.

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This is going to be going on in a lot more places real soon. And just as soon as MacDaddy leaves office, my guess is that government lands will either be sold to energy companies, or allow exploration rights. The entire country is going to be hopping with petroleum and natural gas bonanzas. You wait and see.
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Looks like the Saudis are finally starting to wake up to reality. Will OPEC be next?
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Here is the government's short term assessment on domestic oil production.

And this chart should help understand why exploitation of public lands, including the selling of them, will be a necessary evil in helping to solve our debt problem.

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(10-06-2013, 02:50 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: U.S. Is Overtaking Russia as Largest Oil-and-Gas Producer The Wall Street Journal
..and I'v read that some poeple told that the US should become exporters!

Two potential problems ... first the greenies ... second, chemical, aluminum, steel and other industries that are benefiting from dirt cheap energy. When you see the Sierra Club and Dow Chemical teaming up, you just know hilarity will ensue! S5

A second irony ... if export is prohibited ... or slowed to a crawl, the current production boom will eventually go bust ... and the very prices that the above industries are so worried about will skyrocket much higher and faster.
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