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Russian Meteor Meyhem
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One more unrelated (kiss my shiny metal ass) event:

Fireball Streaks Across Bay Area Sky

On a totally unrelated note, these "scientists" opining is a disturbing indication of the accelerating decline of the system. We are approaching the point when Art Bell becomes more credible than Muslim Outreachers... S13

Would you like to diagnose the illness? I think it is largely yet again government over-financing of science...
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#22
They just won't quit calling all this a cosmic coincidence. And I have yet to hear any of them state that the objects were coming in on different trajectories. And until someone proves that they actually were not going the same direction, there is no doubt in my military mind that all this is the result of some larger object, most likely an old comet, that broke apart and continued on in many different pieces.

Coincidence my as...............................er, eye. S5
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#23
The only thing that would cure this illness is another fragment, 50 megaton equivalent, somewhere around 39° N, 77° W ... S6
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Yeah, that's close enough for government work. S22
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(02-16-2013, 09:26 AM)John L Wrote: I thought one of the remnants was located in a lake, where it crashed through the ice.

And remember, none of the remains from the Tunguska explosion were ever found either. An air burst, resulting from so much heat, and kinetic energy, almost certainly caused the object to be totally destroyed.

Yes, but there were at least three separate hits, one meteor bored the ice, another one destroyed the zinc factory warehouse, where is the last? A new mystery...

We need Sculder and Molly again.
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#26
Not to fear, the Science Channel is on the job: “Russian Meteor Explosion", tonight at 8PM, Eastern Time.

Quote:Although initially reported by the Russian Academy of Sciences as smaller and lighter, NASA says the meteor was 55 feet in diameter and weighed 10,000 tons when it entered the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of about 40,000 miles per hour, and then shattered into pieces between 18 and 32 miles above the Earth's surface. The blast released what the Associated Press describes as "the power of an atomic bomb" and sent fragments raining down upon Chelyabinsk, a Russian city of one million, which lies about 930 miles east of Moscow. (See photos of the aftermath.) The shock wave caused by the meteor shattered an estimated one million square meters of glass, and damaged 3,000 buildings in the city, according to local officials quoted by AP. The Moscow Times reported that it caused an estimated $33 million in damage. Here's a YouTube video shot by a local resident, showing the contrail left in the sky by the meteor, and the sound of the blast.

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They aren't wasting any time, are they?



Incidentally, I am going to split this from the Putin thread, and place it in the Science Section where it really belongs.
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#27
Nice program for calculation of impactor's effect on Earth.
http://www.purdue.edu/impactearth
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#28
And now even Cuba had their own brush with this event.

There is no doubt in my mind that this entire thing is the result of some comet breaking up and floating around for a good while before being discovered. I'm always flabbergasted that everyone thinks of asteroids first and never comets, which are where all this originates in the first place.

And Ron thinks there is not a place out there where the comets are gathered "en mass"?
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#29
Another coincidence of course... four simultaneous events do not form a pattern, this happens all the time..

As for Ron vs the Oort Cloud: check the book of Enoch carefully, it might be described there.... S6
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(02-17-2013, 10:54 AM)mv Wrote: Another coincidence of course... four simultaneous events do not form a pattern, this happens all the time..

As for Ron vs the Oort Cloud: check the book of Enoch carefully, it might be described there.... S6

Yep, like RJ's "other mother" kept telling him, "There are no coincidences any longer". S13

Can we get Ron to check it carefully for us? S5
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#31
The mythical Oort Cloud is supposed to be one-half to one light-year out from the sun.

The Book of Enoch is Apocryphal.
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#32
John L, I know I have mentioned this before, but the late Eugene Shoemaker of the U.S. Geological Survey said some time ago that on average, one meteroid (that is a term that takes in all meteor-like bodies, whether they hit or not) with enough potential energy to hit with the impact equivalent to the Hiroshima atom bomb strikes the earth every year. Some of them mysteriously burn up in the atmosphere. Some strike in wilderness areas, or at sea (after all, the earth's surface is 4/5 water). Earth is orbiting in a shooting gallery. Just look at all the craters on the Moon. I believe most of those craters were formed a lot more recently and over a much shorter period of time than most astronomers suppose. The reason many craters are not as noticeable on earth is the effects of weathering and nature covering over the craters. The Moon, of course, has no atmosphere.
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#33
More debris from the same cluster of objects: Did you see a 'fireball' in the sky?.
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(02-17-2013, 09:34 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: The Book of Enoch is Apocryphal.

I would not dismiss it quite so easily. It is canonical in some Christian churches, including the very ancient Ethiopian, it was accepted and quoted by the early Church fathers like Irenaeus and Tertullian, as well as Jude and Jesus. Just because Constantine (who likely was not even a Christian) opted not to include it should not mean we should reject the only available reasonably complete source of the biblical Astronomy worldview.
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#35
What part of the book are you referring to, with relation to the heavenly bombardment recently? I'm not familiar with the Book of Enoch.
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#36
I don't recall anything about heavenly bombardments there... but part of Enoch is the so called "Astronomical Book" that describes the structure of the Universe. Being lazy I'm copying a small chunk of the TOC from Wiki:
Quote: LXXII. The Sun.
LXXIII. The Moon and its Phases.
LXXIV. The Lunar Year.
LXXVI. The Twelve Winds and their Portals.
LXXVII. The Four Quarters of the World: the Seven Mountains, the Seven Rivers, Seven Great Islands.
LXXVIII. The Sun and Moon: the Waxing and Waning of the Moon.
LXXIX–LXXX.1. Recapitulation of several of the Laws.
LXXX.2-8. Perversion of Nature and the heavenly Bodies due to the Sin of Men.
LXXXI. The Heavenly Tablets and the Mission of Enoch.
LXXXII. Charge given to Enoch: the four Intercalary days: the Stars which lead the Seasons and the Months.
It might be interesting to reread it (I read it looong time ago) looking specifically for things related to comets and Oort.

Incidentally, the book has a load of additional info on other things briefly covered in Genesis... Deluge...Watchers... etc.
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#37
online --- not sure if this is complete, but astronomy seems included.
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#38
Jude 1:14 merely says "Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied...." We have no idea what book that was actually taken from. It would not have been written by Enoch himself, since written language did not originate until much later. Someone must have recorded orally transmitted traditions, and called it the book of Enoch. Various versions purporting to be the book of Enoch have been found, but we have no way of knowing which one Jude was quoting. None have recommended themselves to most scholars as being certainly reliable.

By the way, MV, Constantine was never counted as one of the scholars of Scripture. He had nothing to do with determining canonnicity. He was merely an Emperor of Rome who marched his army across a river, and declared them baptized Christians.
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#39
Ron, you have some very funny ideas about absolute power, and how that absolute power is/isn't exercised.
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#40
Enoch: "Behold, he comes with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon them, and destroy the wicked, and reprove all the carnal for everything which the sinful and ungodly have done, and committed against him."
Jude: “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints.”
Sounds like a quote here.
And there is a whole book showing Jesus quoting the same book. Not a big surprise, since Book of Enoch was a part of dead sea scroll library.

As for the book actually written by Enoch: nothing special, we also have books of Moses that even talk about the death of Moses. A strange naming tradition, but a tradition.

Quote:By the way, MV, Constantine was never counted as one of the scholars of Scripture. He had nothing to do with determining canonnicity.

while not a scholar by far and not a Christian probably either, he had A LOT to do with directing the Nicean Council and subduing it to his political aim of unifying various monotheistic religions in the Empire.
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