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Have you guys heard this??? al-Zarqawi reported dead
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The Elaph Arab media website reported Sunday that al-Zarqawi may be dead!


'Report: al-Zarqawi may have been killed in Mosul
By JPOST.COM STAFF"

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c...2FShowFull


However, as another poster on BearPit dryly stated, "Zarqawi has now been killed six times. If my theory is correct, we need kill him only three more for him to be finally eliminated." S1
Solo~

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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I think this one is legit. I told you huge captures and killings were coming against Al Qaeda. Ibrahim Al Duri is dead. Zarqawi may be dead. This insurgency is going to die slowly. By next year it'll be weaker than ever. The Republicans will say we're winning but you can't change horses in mid stream now. The democrats are going to be pulling their hairs out. They want to make Iraq and the war on terror the subject for 06 and it looks like the Republicans may have them right where they want them.
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Democrats4Bush2005 Wrote:I think this one is legit. I told you huge captures and killings were coming against Al Qaeda. Ibrahim Al Duri is dead. Zarqawi may be dead. This insurgency is going to die slowly. By next year it'll be weaker than ever. The Republicans will say we're winning but you can't change horses in mid stream now. The democrats are going to be pulling their hairs out. They want to make Iraq and the war on terror the subject for 06 and it looks like the Republicans may have them right where they want them.

From your lips to God's ears.

Corrected for spelling.
Solo~

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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In the meantime another story about him
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Al-Zarqawi's family cuts ties to terrorist
He will no longer enjoy the protection of his tribe

AMMAN, Jordan (AP) -- Family members of Jordanian-born al Qaeda in Iraq chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have renounced the terror leader, telling King Abdullah II on Sunday that they would "sever links with him until doomsday."

Al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, claimed responsibility for the November 9 deadly attacks on three Amman hotels, which killed 60 people.

In half-page advertisements in Jordan's three main newspapers, 57 members of the al-Khalayleh family, including al-Zarqawi's brother and cousin, also reiterated their strong allegiance to the king.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/2...index.html
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That guy is the best thing we have. Evil as he is,he is also non discriminating in his violence,such that even the retarded PR of our nation looks OK compared to his acts.

If he had any judgement,he would wise up and act like Zawahiri asked him to,use some judgement. But,yea,I hope he's got his eternal ticket,too.
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now that I thought about the following quote

Quote:Al-Zarqawi's family cuts ties to terrorist
He will no longer enjoy the protection of his tribe

What were his tribesmen thinking when he was planning killing of innocent people in Iraq, I guess it was OK by them as long as he did not danger their own lives.
I would not trust their word on this instance.
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BS
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Kamil,

My experience is almost everyone acts this way. You know me,I oppose all forms of murder to achieve political goals. But,MOST people don't.

America sat back for 30 years and allowed open recruitment and fund raising for IRA terrorism and Palestinian terrorism and neither was touched until AFTER 9-11. Now the IRA has folded the tent in Northern Ireland and we are arresting and charging Palestinians here with terrorism charges.

We're NO better than this Arab tribe,all of us are dam.nable hypocrites,IMO.
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Palladin Wrote:Kamil,

My experience is almost everyone acts this way. You know me,I oppose all forms of murder to achieve political goals. But,MOST people don't.

America sat back for 30 years and allowed open recruitment and fund raising for IRA terrorism and Palestinian terrorism and neither was touched until AFTER 9-11. Now the IRA has folded the tent in Northern Ireland and we are arresting and charging Palestinians here with terrorism charges.

We're NO better than this Arab tribe,all of us are dam.nable hypocrites,IMO.
Palladin, if you've read history you know that alliances are fragile. YOu sometimes have to get in bed with enemies to survive. Should we, as I asked someone else earlier, attack [everyone with whom we disagree] all at once? How long would we survive? There are FEW nations that we agree even majorily with..............we can't war with every one of them. Even though Saudia Arabia and other surrounding countries are very questionable, we needed their alliance to be able to attack A.Q..... Should we declare EVERYONE an enemy? Or, live and let live until we have to do something? Just asking here.
Solo~

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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Solo,

It's a very good question. My answer is of course NO,we should not attack everyone with whom we disagree.

Basically,my problem is not so much with Turkey,it is with us. We are forced to make deals and associate with folks at times we normally wouldn't because of our global role. Turkey,it seems to me,is fast becoming 1 of those states. Kamil knows me,I used to be Turkey's strongest and most vociferous supporter on another board,I saw Turks as closer than Brits back then. That stopped in 2003 of course.

I disagree with our global role. I understand your point,we have to work with these folks in the paradigm we operate under,I just DESPISE the paradigm.

In fact,it makes so little sense anymore. Think about this Solo. We're in a big super uproar right now,with several political leaders openly calling for a massive defeat in Iraq and undermining this effort openly and boldly.

Honestly,do you sincerely think we could ever fight a serious war ever again if we are not invaded? We can't. I think this has become obvious.

I lived through the VN era as a teen,I thought that generation SUCKED,this one makes my generation look like Spartan warriors. We're going to have to re-examine our role on earth,we're acting WAY bigger than our britches allow,IMO. I predict soon foreigners start seeing us this way as well. we really are a paper tiger,our people are making a strong case proving it right now. NOT good news,not fun for me to believe,but I believe we're a weak bunch as a people.
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Palladin, I think you are spending way too much time listening to the alphabet news and believing it. The MAJORITY of this nation are still conservative. The MSM have just made enroads (sp?) into that resolve by appealing to the more uninformed, but the liberal's hold on media is broken by radio, bloggers, etc. I think the tide is turning. I really do.

I'm not sure what is to become of us as a nation, but I still have faith that we are in God's hands...........what will happen is what is supposed to happen. I just want to be one of 10 that He is looking for in order to save our nation, if you get my drift.

I was a bit older than you in the VN struggle, having older family members that fought in WWII. Of course, I thot the VN generation was pretty pathetic and lost, too. We're still around, and just have a few hasbeens like Kerry, McCain, etc. S1
Solo~

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
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Hey, Solo! I resemble that has-been remark! lol

I believe in "choose your battles carefully...then win!"

'Nam was a 30 year disaster I hope we never ever repeat.

I can still fly combat-evac...(just passed my #1 flight physical), but there are a lot of fine young Americans out there kicking butt on behalf of human dignity...who are better than I ever was.

The alpahbet media just got handed their hineys today...

For those of you who don't know him, We are so very fortunate to have Dick Cheny articulating the realities. One of the three smartest people I have ever negotiated with.

There are still a lot of tiger-claws among Americans. Lots of dead enemies of freedom who thought we were paper.
Let the wimps whine and cower. It IS a new world here where the truth percolates to the surface via the internet and folks like us who giveadarn.

"Walk softly...carry a biGGGGG stick!"

Ken
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#13
Solo,

I share your faith that God controls history,but there is just NO guarantee He will bring us a victory. How many times did Israel collapse and they were God's invented people?

Our people are not made of stern stuff,IMO.

Solo,forget the news media influencing me,it is self evident there is a revolt in DC and an open revolt and guess who can see it as well?

Yea,baathists and jihadists,so any work Bush has done to date to coerce them into the fold is nothing now,they can tell Bush is weak and the nation is revolting against our involvement in Iraq.
In fact,Stratfor makes this very point,Bush's problem is not in Baghdad,it is in his own capital and while we both agree God controls human history,there simply is no promise this nation will be on the winning side of this conflict.
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Its not so much hypocracy as it is politics and perhaps national security. Before September 11th politicians believed if we didn't bother the terrorists they woudn't bother us. Its what liberals have been saying even after September 11th. Well it didn't work so the United States under the leadership of President Bush reversed the policy. There hasn't been a sucessful attack in the United States ever since.

Quote: share your faith that God controls history,but there is just NO guarantee He will bring us a victory. How many times did Israel collapse and they were God's invented people?

Well if you want to get biblical. The Jews are being punished for their role in the murder of Jesus, according to the bible. God does say the jews will have Israel and even though at times they have lost it they always regain it.

Now as far as Zarqawi is concerned. The isolation of Osama and Zawahiri has allowed Zarqawi to become the face of Al Qaeda. Ever since the Jordan attacks the arab world now sees Zarqawi for what he really is and will now likely pay closer attention to what Zarqawi does to Iraqis. The tide is slowly turning. In the long run Iraq will be good PR for us with the arab people.

1- They see the brutality of terrorist against muslims. The spotlight of being the aggressor is off the West and on the terrorists in the mind of muslims.

2- When Iraq is fully democratic they will have a country in the region to compare democracy and their own countries and governments to. They will demand democracy for themselves.

3- They'll see that what the terrorists wanted to prevent from taking place in Iraq is actually good for muslims. This will lead to muslims turning on terrorists.
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Demo,

I think we will fail in Iraq and come home with a half assed "victory".

Just like we did in 1975 in Vietnam.

I can sense it,I lived through Vietnam. I hope I am wrong wrong wrong.

Never seen a nation act this way with so little loss so far. This makes the VN generation look tough.
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