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Ruby Ridge, Waco, And Out Of Control Government, Politicians
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As I mentioned yesterday, Beck has officially washed his hands of the GOP along with the Democrats. Both parties are not doing their constitutionally mandated jobs. They place their hands on a bible and Swear to uphold the Constitution, and then turn around and do everything But uphold it.

And Beck shows two clear examples of why the Government is not your friend, or interested in your Liberties. I listened to Beck explain the story of Randal Weaver's ordeal, the callous murder of his family by government agents, and illegal persecution by the legal system. And while I already knew the truth about the events, I could not help but once again feel total outrage.

And remember: Ruby Ridge was conducted under the leadership of a GOP administration. Just one more example of why we don't need any more Bushes in the WH, even for just a weekend.

And after all these years, the Whore Media has never done anything to point out the facts to the public. Shame on them!

Ruby Ridge & Waco Tragedies: Examples of ‘Out-of-Control’ Republican Government?
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#2
Sooooo what you're telling me is that the former Administrations can even hold a candle to the current crop of bunglers? Is that what you're saying John? Waco was on Janet Reno's watch ... how did it make it on your list of GOP disasters? ATF leftovers? I do recall Bush Sr. having a tizzy when they were referred to as "Jack Booted Thugs" ... so perhaps it sticks.

But I do still think there are distinctive tiers here John. One involves f*ckups that involve citizens being unfairly or unwisely targeted and ending up dead ... the other involves the murder of peace officers after violent and dangerous criminals are literally given weapons by the feds (in the case above, not just garden variety 'ban fodder' stuff but actual bona fide Class III goodies). Am I using to sharp a knife to cleave this John? ... it all stinks ... but it sure seems like it stinks a bit more these days ...
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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(01-30-2013, 10:26 PM)mr_yak Wrote: Sooooo what you're telling me is that the former Administrations can even hold a candle to the current crop of bunglers? Is that what you're saying John? Waco was on Janet Reno's watch ... how did it make it on your list of GOP disasters? ATF leftovers? I do recall Bush Sr. having a tizzy when they were referred to as "Jack Booted Thugs" ... so perhaps it sticks.

No Jack, I believe I stated only Ruby Ridge under Papa Bush. Not Waco, which was worse. Jackasses are worst, but their little brother is trailing right behind.

Quote:But I do still think there are distinctive tiers here John. One involves f*ckups that involve citizens being unfairly or unwisely targeted and ending up dead ... the other involves the murder of peace officers after violent and dangerous criminals are literally given weapons by the feds (in the case above, not just garden variety 'ban fodder' stuff but actual bona fide Class III goodies). Am I using to sharp a knife to cleave this John? ... it all stinks ... but it sure seems like it stinks a bit more these days ...

I guess it all depends on just how much 'stink' one is willing to tolerate. My threshold is perhaps a little less than most. Michael's is even less than mine, and I could kick myself for not having shouted "Enough" earlier. But I didn't, to my everlasting personal shame. I'm merely making up for some lost time, that's all.

And now Beck is on the bandwagon, bless his heart. In this I am optimistic because I believe Obama is the catalyst that will prove Newton's Second Law of Motion valid. So I expect an eventual snowball effect. Hey, if Mohammad refuses to go to the mountain, we just have to bring the mountain to Mohammad, right? S5
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(01-30-2013, 11:15 PM)John L Wrote: No Jack, I believe I stated only Ruby Ridge under Papa Bush. Not Waco, which was worse. Jackasses are worst, but their little brother is trailing right behind.

Reno's fingerprints were all over it, but, given the timing, you could make a reasonable case that there were plenty of Bush appointees remaining in the ranks when the (not so) tactical decisions (like the one to use a tank against civilians) were being made.

It's pretty tough to argue with you when I see McCain and Graham getting all sanctimonious on Immigration. I wonder if they ever play poker with their 'rat counterparts ... and how often they end up leaving the game in nothing but their undershorts ... God!! Gotta get that image out of my head ... .damn it!! Shock Anyway, it sure looks like they are lining up a major give away. You know I'm as partisan as they come John, but even I have to blush when I think of those particular chumps.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#5
Here's the thing Jack, and I know I am beating a dead horse here and at risk of alienating some members, which is not in my best interests as owner of the forum. That is why I am toning down my constant shouting about the GOP. Everyone knows where I stand, and I just need to STFU and let others carry the standard.

But if a party states its many lofty goals, and attracts millions of followers, they owe it to the members to mean what they say and say what the mean. Otherwise, they are basically useless, because compromising principles is self-defeating.

Everyone dropped the ball on this issue, including Reagan. He soundly trounced Bush for the nomination, and yet in the spirit of fair play, and good old Christian values, he chose him as his running mate. Naturally Bush would be favoured for the next presidency. And just look what it got us in the end: Two big government Bushes who in their own way have helped lead the party into ideological bankruptcy.

Oh, granted they are decent people, G-d fearing, basically honest, and all that. But they are still big government guys, and have been doing their best to use government to further their own political ideology. And we should want more of them in the WH? I get heartburn just thinking about it.

But remember, its the party apparatchiks, who are the real danger. Bill has this 'pie-in-the-sky' belief that the party can be changed from within, if only we would just support it and we will all live happily ever after,.................And A Partridge In A Pear Tree.

How in Hell is anyone going to change the party's direction when it is still run by the same elitists who have power and love it so much? How? The only way I can see it being done, is to start another party, and leave them there to stew in their juices. Oh, and I'll bet you almost all of them would gravitate to the Jackasses. Wanna bet? They're Big government people.

We really have to do something or as Tait keeps saying WASF. We have to do something. And like I have said before, I was a spouse to an alcoholic. I know what its like to be caught in the middle of a lose-lose proposition. Eventually you just have to "Make like a sheep herder and get the Flock out of Dodge", or it will destroy you.

Thank G-d big names are finally getting it, and Beck is the first big one. If for no other reason, he has endeared himself to me. And he won't be the last either.

But getting back to Ruby Ridge and Waco, that is what an overbearing, myopic, all-powerful, government does to people who oppose them, for whatever reason. They don't respect the citizen's rights, and automatically assume they are all knowing, and all empowered. And both parties are playing the Big Government Tyranny Game. The Jackasses openly promote this agenda. But the other party doesn't.............officially. They say one thing, and then stick the knife in everyone's back, just to make a point to everyone.

And they are positive they can keep doing this and get away with it too. Remember, they makes the party rules, control the purse strings, steer the sheep following them, and they know they have everyone by the testicles. And they are so erudite and above everyone else about it too.

Rush and Levin both hate the GOP, with a passion and make no bones about it. And the GOP elitists hate them too: why wouldn't they. So why do these guys keep their official heart-strings attached? Its because as enablers they are afraid to make the break they know is in their best interests of sanity and self-respect. Sooner or later they are going to throw up their hands, and I pray it is sooner than later, because the longer they hold out, the worse they are making it for everyone, including themselves. As for Hannity, I really don't give a rat's ass what that idiot does. he can go pound sand for all I care. He and McDoofus are great buddies, and they deserve each other. Buggerin' morons.

I'm just finished, and want this country to get back to being the bastion of Liberty it was once upon a time. Am I expecting too much here? Remember, Canada bit the bullet, and did it, so why not us? Are they all that much smarter than we are?
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(01-31-2013, 02:23 AM)John L Wrote: I'm just finished, and want this country to get back to being the bastion of Liberty it was once upon a time. Am I expecting too much here? Remember, Canada bit the bullet, and did it, so why not us? Are they all that much smarter than we are?

Obama just got re-elected by a fair margin. The 'rats maintained the Senate and made traction, the GOP lost a bit in the House. As a rhetorical question, why do you suppose that occurred? Was it people who stayed home disgusted with the GOP? Mormon haters? ... voted for Gary Johnson? ... do you expect that ANY of the 53% of the Obama voting electorate could be persuaded to do otherwise? People want all the goodies ... but they want somebody else to pay for them ... and that's exactly what the 'rats continue to offer (whether it's the rich or their own children ... and realistically it's mostly the latter). How the hell is it possible to compete with that? How exactly do you counter "Free Beer! ... for everybody ... forever!!"? I'm not offering this as an argument ... it's simply a question.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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(01-31-2013, 09:08 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(01-31-2013, 02:23 AM)John L Wrote: I'm just finished, and want this country to get back to being the bastion of Liberty it was once upon a time. Am I expecting too much here? Remember, Canada bit the bullet, and did it, so why not us? Are they all that much smarter than we are?

Obama just got re-elected by a fair margin. The 'rats maintained the Senate and made traction, the GOP lost a bit in the House. As a rhetorical question, why do you suppose that occurred? Was it people who stayed home disgusted with the GOP? Mormon haters? ... voted for Gary Johnson? ... do you expect that ANY of the 53% of the Obama voting electorate could be persuaded to do otherwise? People want all the goodies ... but they want somebody else to pay for them ... and that's exactly what the 'rats continue to offer (whether it's the rich or their own children ... and realistically it's mostly the latter). How the hell is it possible to compete with that? How exactly do you counter "Free Beer! ... for everybody ... forever!!"? I'm not offering this as an argument ... it's simply a question.

How about having an opposition that is honest, above board, and means what it says, and does what promises? Is that good enough for starters?

As for the question about staying home, the GOP base was not energized, and a good portion stayed home. And many, such as myself, voted for Gary Johnson. Some say it is a wasted vote, but it clearly sends a message if the right people are willing to read the tea leaves.

What was it that Lord Tennyson once said in his poetry. "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp." Try going for the glory. The GOP is no longer interested in such things.
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#8
Please keep me posted on how your new party is working out. Also, it wasn't clear if the plan is a distinct and separate third party or wholesale infiltration of the GOP. If it isn't the latter are you expecting to be able to roll things out in time for 2014?
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I'll keep you posted. S5
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