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Understanding the Second Amendment & The War Against It
#61
Couple of things here. The South is going to be the potential Boogy Man that the Left loves to use. It is always portrayed at chock full of Red Necks, Knuckle Draggers, Uneducated Hayseeds, mentally disturbed, Racist, Incestuous, Child Molesting, Spousal Abusing, and just plain backward thinking Crackers. Did I forget any possible attribute here? ..................Oh, I almost forgot, Narrow Minded Conservatives.

That should just about do it. And if you are a Southerner, AND a Texan, G-d Help you. S5

The point is that the South is, and will always be, the last bastion of independent minded people who are above the constitutional curve. After all, they had the audacity to actually rebel against the wonderful, all caring, and strictly benevolent federal State. So they are naturally the worst of the worst in the eyes of the Collectivist Left.

And that is just one more reason why I am a proud Southerner, and went to college(the Citadel) where we fired the first shots of the Civil War: a strategic mistake because rather than firing on Fort Sumter, women and children in tiny boats should have been used. I will still proudly wear this on my shoulder tabs, because it pisses off the bed wetting, Collectivist Left.

But secondly, I wanted to also report that in Spite of everything, in spite of all the mud slinging, respiratory hyperventilating, dire predictions, and finger pointing by the Left, there is one thing that is irrefutable: Guns are more popular than movies and television.

You think I am shitting you here? Well, read this: NBC/WSJ poll: NRA more popular than entertainment industry. How the WSJ every got mixed up with these kooks at NBC is totally beyond me, but if the Lefties over at NBC reluctantly say this, you can bet your Ass its FACT! The Second Amendment trumps anything that comes out of a box or on any screen. Go buy a bottle of your favorite spirits and celebrate the wonderful news.

Quote:violence after the Newtown, Conn., shootings, a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that the National Rifle Association is more popular than the entertainment industry.

Forty-one percent of adults see the NRA -- the nation's top gun lobby -- in a positive light, while 34 percent view it in a negative light.

By comparison, just 24 percent have positive feelings about the entertainment industry, and 39 percent have negative ones.

The NRA's fav/unfav score is virtually unchanged from its 41 percent-to-29 percent rating in the Jan. 2011 NBC/WSJ poll, nearly two years before the Newtown shootings.

"That seems to me to be a pretty remarkably stable figure," says GOP pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter Hart.

But it's a substantial improvement from the 1990s, when the NRA's negative ratings outweighed its positive ones in the NBC/WSJ survey.

The current poll also shows a sharp divide between attitudes among gun owners and non-gun owners.

Among those who own a gun, 62 percent view the NRA favorably. But that percentage drops to just 25 percent among those who don't.

Its really nice to know that there is still enough common sense around, albeit maybe not all that much, but that is still significant.

I'm going out tomorrow and buy a nice bottle of rum and fix some Rum Collins which is something I don't do much any longer. But I am this time.
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#62
(01-20-2013, 02:57 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: If America were to fall into conflict, it wouldn't be various civil wars or conflicts of that nature.

No, it would probably be more akin to Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, or Juarez, Mexico. Tons of unrest and violence within the larger framework of a third world city with illegal firearms being used constantly despite the presence of elite police or military units.

Detroit maybe? The larger, denser and poorer urban areas seem like they are more likely to be "gun free zones". To your point, a place like Juarez is a good model. Deadly force is (legally) denied to the bulk of the population ... garden variety criminals, the drug gangs, the police and military are the ones in possession of firearms ... as well as being the ones using them early and often.
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#63
(01-20-2013, 04:37 PM)John L Wrote: The point is that the South is, and will always be, the last bastion of independent minded people who are above the constitutional curve.

I would love to disagree with you and say it was the West ... but I can't. S11

Colorado is in complete 'rat control. Californians have been flocking here because California has become such a sh*t hole ... and they've managed to Californicate the place. Montana just sent a Jackass back to the Senate. Wyoming may be one of the last "independently minded" western states ... but they're pretty sparsely populated. I never thought I'd say or think it, but go Dixie Go!!
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#64
Oh, one other thing:

Quote:Among those who own a gun, 62 percent view the NRA favorably. But that percentage drops to just 25 percent among those who don't.

This is also worth closer scrutiny because this clearly indicates that there are an awful lot of gun owners, who don't think all that highly of the NRA, because amongst hard core gun owners, they are viewed as capable of 'rolling over' rather than fight come hell or high water. That is why there are a few other gun lobbies that also are powerful. They're just not reported all that much, but they are still powerful too.

So take that 41% favorable rating and add to it the ones who still love their guns but are pissed at the NRA already. Putting all that together, we have an unstoppable force that the Left is surely pulling its hair over. Fuck them too!! If they don't like it, Move to EuroLaLa Land.
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#65
Montana is a weird place. We are heavily conservative at the state level and in state offices, but every ten years we alternate alternate between democrat and republican congresmen. Our last and current governor are both democrats, but they are very right wing so much as to earn disapproval from the establishment.

You have to remember that one of the last things any of these rural and often blue collar people will vote for is some rich asshat like Romney.

In the end, I blame Californians and all the "white flight" here in the last ten years, that has increased the liberal affluent suburbanite population by much. White suburbanite chalkies are some of the worst people to be around. I want to turn a bunch of gang members loose in their neighborhoods.

Regardless of all that, if there is one thing we'll never do, it is give up our guns or vote for more gun control. This place is somewhat bad boy out of control in many regards anyhow. Gun control is political suicide here. People have lost office or never made it out of the gate once it was known they support it or get a shit rating from the NRA.

Tester made back in office because people here can identify with him more, and he has done way more in terms of responding to the electorate than his competitor. If you emailed either him or Rehberg (the guy he ran against and our former house rep), Tester actually get back to you, and he's actually more involved in the goings on. I suspect he is far more right wing than most people in the US.

Colorado though, yea, you guys are fucked. As I said earlier, blame it all on white people.
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#66
(01-20-2013, 04:51 PM)John L Wrote: This is also worth closer scrutiny because this clearly indicates that there are an awful lot of gun owners, who don't think all that highly of the NRA, because amongst hard core gun owners, they are viewed as capable of 'rolling over' rather than fight come hell or high water.

The NRA is certainly capable of rolling over ... many would say it's even prone to it ... that's why GOA and other organizations exist. But it's far more likely that the wider swath of gun owners simply take what they have for granted or figure that someone else will fight their constitutional battles for them. Only a tiny percentage of gun owners are NRA members. If people really took their liberty seriously, the membership would be closer to about 50-60 million ... and somebody like Larry Pratt would be running it. The NRA was based on precursor shooting organizations in Britain, and you'd think that more people would have learned from decline and diminished capacity of these organizations and the seizure programs that followed in short order ... but apparently not many have.
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#67
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
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#68
It sure looks like the anti gun left is barking at the moon still. We may be heading towards a socialist type thinking society, but, lots of us still think we can own guns:

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/wh...86753.html
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#69
Perhaps there are two things here Patrick. First, the Second Amendment is a 'common sense' issue. Regardless the propaganda the Collectivist Left spouts through politicians and teachers, most people are equipped with a fairly functional brain. Two and two still equals four, even for an eighth grade education.

Second(regarding background checks), the Collectivist Left subscribes to the Marx doctrine of "two steps forward, one step back" principle. It makes them look as though they are recognizing defeat, but want to appear reasonable. So it is easier to do as 'so called' moderates think, and learn to work together through compromise. They just keep doing the "two steps forward, one step back" and eventually they get there.

That's how the Left has taken control of most of the government school systems, and quickly on the way doing that with the courts, thanks to both parties. How much would you like to bet that there will be more than enough 'moderate' Republicans relieved to vote yes for such a reasonable compromise put forth by the Bamster? And when they do compromise on just one more issue, how many more are finally going to come around to our thinking about the high minded party representing the best interests of the country?

After all, they still say the right things, right? And too, it continues to bring in hearts, minds, and most importantly money,......right?
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(01-26-2013, 12:09 PM)John L Wrote: ... Marx doctrine of "two steps forward, one step back" principle.

"Universal Background Check" is a step forward for them ... there is no back to it. It's pure 'progress' as they know it. It's how 'compromise' is now defined ... if you don't give any ground then you're an 'extremist'. And nobody (at least none of the establishment squishies) wants to be called an 'extremist' ... early on even one of the NRA leadership knuckleheads appeared to climb on board because it sounds soooooo reasonable. There is no "common sense" in this John. If someone is trying to shove you over a cliff, giving up an inch vs a foot in the wrong direction is NOT a compromise. The problem is that even the gun owners that I've talked to don't realize this ... give up this ... give up that ... it all sounds soooooooo very reasonable ... right up to the point that they take YOURS. It's frustrating that many of these guys aren't really going to get it until they are 'legally' obligated to have their finger prints taken ... or their house searched ... or have to hand over their own property ... the only difference between the U.S. and the U.K is that we've managed to drag our feet for an additional 30-40 years. I'd like to hope that we can hold out a few more decades longer, but it's starting to look pretty grim.
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(01-26-2013, 12:38 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(01-26-2013, 12:09 PM)John L Wrote: ... Marx doctrine of "two steps forward, one step back" principle.

"Universal Background Check" is a step forward for them ... there is no back to it. It's pure 'progress' as they know it. It's how 'compromise' is now defined ... if you don't give any ground then you're an 'extremist'. And nobody (at least none of the establishment squishies) wants to be called an 'extremist' ... early on even one of the NRA leadership knuckleheads appeared to climb on board because it sounds soooooo reasonable. There is no "common sense" in this John. If someone is trying to shove you over a cliff, giving up an inch vs a foot in the wrong direction is NOT a compromise. The problem is that even the gun owners that I've talked to don't realize this ... give up this ... give up that ... it all sounds soooooooo very reasonable ... right up to the point that they take YOURS. It's frustrating that many of these guys aren't really going to get it until they are 'legally' obligated to have their finger prints taken ... or their house searched ... or have to hand over their own property ... the only difference between the U.S. and the U.K is that we've managed to drag our feet for an additional 30-40 years. I'd like to hope that we can hold out a few more decades longer, but it's starting to look pretty grim.

Only for them is it a "step forward". After all, they are attempting to make more steps forward, such as all the other stuff they have been threatening.

But for the rest of us, or some anyway, it is a "step backward". And to the moderates of this world, the "can't we just get along" crowd is so accommodating of them, don't you know.S5

This is all perspective, and how one views reality. But viewing, and knowing, what one knows as reality, is two different things. It is the wishy-washy moderates, who are going to be the downfall here, unless the courageous, and highly principled, GOP can keep them in line. I wonder how certain that one is?
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(01-26-2013, 12:48 PM)John L Wrote: This is all perspective, and how one views reality. But viewing, and knowing, what one knows as reality, is two different things.

One man's progress is the next man's regress. Actually, if you look at what collectivism usually accomplishes, it seems like it is a sure fire path back to feudalism ... we've disagreed on the classical definition here before ... but if you look at the early role of medieval knights it basically revolved around a bunch of thugs that would periodically ride out from some fortress to steal from and pillage the surrounding villages. Tell me that that's any different than what is trying to be accomplished here? .... It's so much harder to steal from the peasants when the are armed.

(01-26-2013, 12:48 PM)John L Wrote: It is the wishy-washy moderates, who are going to be the downfall here, unless the courageous, and highly principled, GOP can keep them in line. I wonder how certain that one is?

Dunno. I'm hoping that Boehner's House is a bit more 'principled' than Dole's Senate. ... I know what I want to believe ... but it's still a coin toss. S4 I guess we'll see.
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#73
If you did a poll, probably 75% would support background checks. That one is already law, just going to add gun shows to it. Won't help a thing, but, it will make some of our mothers happy until the next mass murder event next week or whenever it happens.
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(01-26-2013, 03:01 PM)Palladin Wrote: If you did a poll, probably 75% would support background checks. That one is already law, just going to add gun shows to it. Won't help a thing, but, it will make some of our mothers happy until the next mass murder event next week or whenever it happens.

I think you might misunderstand the tactics here. "Universal Background Check" means ALL private transfers between law abiding citizens (selling to felons is already illegal ... but what does that matter?). At present it's only necessary to 'legally' require government permission for all 'retail' sales. Gun shows are a straw man. This is intended to mandate 'permission' for ownership (because how else would you know what private citizen is transferring what?) ... aka 'universal' registration. That's the end game ... with the final path being confiscation ... those 75% don't really understand this. Most garden variety gun owners don't have much of a grasp of this either, because they think they're own rights are somehow immune from encroachment ... they believe that there is some firm boundary that will eventually be respected by the Bradys and the Feinsteins and the Schumers and those that will come after them ... but there simply isn't.
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#75
If Americans were told to hand in their guns, about 99% of them would do it, mostly because they are proud to be "law abiding citizens"(we have tons of groups who are proud to be law abiding.....hahaahhaahahahaha), but also because the police in this country, as well as Federal agencies, are very heavy handed. When you have things to lose, do you want to fight to keep your gun when they will come in, shoot your dog, buttstroke your pregnant wife and beat you, and then ruin you for the rest of your life? I have nothing to lose really, so whether or not I obey isn't something I really think about.

I am going to be utterly honest in saying I really do fucking hate this country. I wish for it's breakup and/or collapse, or that we become Brazil-north very soon. Aside from those things, what keeps me here is merely that I can own guns, and I am finishing school. So far, I live in a nice place, but I can see that going downhill very soon too. At present, we literally have one of the most evil of systems in the amount of zeal and ruthless the gov't has for persecuting people, the culture sucks and is built around mindless consumerism, and it is legally and morally corrupt overall.

Anyone who wants to paint a rosy picture over this and how great this country can still be, whatever bullshit platitudes, needs to stop smoking pot. America will not be the same culturally or demographically in the future. Politically, it will get worse. Accept this now.
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#76
What you must ask yourself is how "law-abiding" will you be in the light of bans, restrictions, and punishments for failure to comply? You must be honest with yourself in doing this, and you need to examine just how much moral courage you think you have.

The truth may be very unpleasant.
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#77
This guy sure makes good sense to me. Most lawmen oppose us possessing weapons.


http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/26/vi...rotection/
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#78
Palladin,

There is a very large array of Sheriff's across the US, and especially in many Western states, who refuse to enforce any gun bans or restrictions. There are also a growing number of people like Clarke who are telling citizens that they need to properly prepare themselves in order to protect themselves. They see what's coming. Many lawmen have a complex where they want to disarm the peasants they patrol, but not everyone is like that.

There is a reason Americans have always had guns and many lived by them. It is because, though we make pretenses otherwise, we are not the shining first world nation we think we are, and we've always lived without the police or sheriff to protect for the most part, and that in these parts of the globe, you have to take care of yourself first and foremost.

What is laughable are all the people (usually white suburbanites) who go into hysterics over this and defending yourselves. "Anti-violence" groups are some of the most retarded people on the planet, and seem to be a condition of the sheltered and safe.

They are going to change their tunes as we descend down to Brazil or Wild West status.
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#79
Sounds like the guy is simply echoing established law.

G4U,

Why do you keep going to Brazil when (gun free zone) Mexico is so much closer to home ... and also much more violent? No one there has any respect for the rule of law. It strikes me as a much more straight forward example of where we are headed. 10% of their citizens now reside within our borders as not-so-invited 'guests' ... If we are becoming anything, it is Mexico North.
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#80
Because Brazil has a substantial population of white people, a broader diversity of ethnic groups (black, etc), and America in the future would more accurately resemble it as opposed to Mexico. Their economy is also better, with a ton of natural resources and great potential, much like the US.

Brazil is not a gun free zone, unlike Mexico, which for the most part is a gun free zone. Gun carry is restricted, but not as bad as Mexico, and millions upon millions of people own legal firearms and illegal ones. The gov't is not as fucked as Mexico's, but is still quite corrupt and inept in a lot of things, leaving the people to enjoy true freedom and ignore most of the laws. Much like many of our inner cities today.

Of course, if you want to be Mexico....I mean, those are my reasons for picking Brazil, but I also did it to be somewhat of an optimist. Plus, who can argue with an abundance of hot Brazilian type women? The social climate down there isn't feminized yet.
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