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Understanding the Second Amendment & The War Against It
#41
Well, the local agencies are not under FedGov, so why would they care about them?

Seriously, the FedGov is evil. Everything it has done is pure self-interest and accumulation of power.
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#42
What I find so interesting, having listened to and read some of Evan Sayet's material on "The Kindergarden of Eden", I now look on the left as composed of intellectual children unable to use logic effectively. Well, this current anti-gun crusade is a perfect example of common sense being almost completely absent within the debate.

But now, the Bamster has to go out and hauled in some REAL kindergardeners to bolster his attempt to circumvent congress and the constitution. In other words, he has to totally revert back to not only intellectual adolescents, but physical adolescents as well. Fortunately, intellectual adults should be able to see through this foil. Its just too bad that there are so many physical adults moving around but unable to think like logical adults. Way too many.
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#43
Dr. Walter E. Williams asks the logical question: Are Guns the Problem?

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#44
It makes absolute sense as a strategy John. If we weren't mired in a debate about deadly sheet metal boxes with springs in them, then we'd be talking about the economy ... the debt ... the (non-existent) budget ... and we can't have that now can we?

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#45
You know, what Obama actually "did" as opposed to what he wants congress to do is so very little and congress is going to do DICK because they will lose their seats and they know it.

The weirdest of all is the EO to "appoint a new director of the ATF". That position has been open for 4 years, it's his DUTY to have appointed one years ago,so Obama does an EO stating he needs to appoint one soon.

That is just weird. That's the oddest thing I've seen in a long time from the state. Next he ought to do an EO stating he will "sign valid legislative bills".
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#46
(01-17-2013, 11:00 PM)Palladin Wrote: You know, what Obama actually "did" as opposed to what he wants congress to do is so very little and congress is going to do DICK because they will lose their seats and they know it.

The weirdest of all is the EO to "appoint a new director of the ATF". That position has been open for 4 years, it's his DUTY to have appointed one years ago,so Obama does an EO stating he needs to appoint one soon.

That is just weird. That's the oddest thing I've seen in a long time from the state. Next he ought to do an EO stating he will "sign valid legislative bills".

There's a strategy at work here Palladin, O and his pals are going to get exactly what they want. I'm an NRA Life Member and I fired off a scathing note to NRA-ILA today. I can see them lining a deal up. They are getting squishy. And there are plenty of squish folks in the opposition party as well. It has to do with the "toughened background checks" ... the NRA leadership says they are all on board. It is being sold as the "low hanging fruit" ... when in fact it's probably the primary fruit. "Toughened background checks" aka "The Gun Show Loophole" aka private sales is part of a wider strategy. The only way to "close the loophole" that allows one honest law abiding citizen to sell to another honest law abiding citizen without getting permission from the government is to register firearms. THAT is what this is all about ... not magazines ... not assault weapons ... not the B word that folks like Joe Manchin is backing away from like a hot stove (although that IS the end game) it's about selling a 'compromise' that makes one party look not to hard ... and the other not too soft. It's BS ... but IMHO, it's exactly what the current full court press is all about.
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(01-17-2013, 11:34 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [undefined=undefined] "Toughened background checks" aka "The Gun Show Loophole" aka private sales is part of a wider strategy. The only way to "close the loophole" that allows one honest law abiding citizen to sell to another honest law abiding citizen without getting permission from the government is to register firearms. THAT is what this is all about ... not magazines ... not assault weapons ...

I am glad I am not the only one who came to this conclusion. If the guns are unregistered, then what is to prove that and FFL transfer took place, or who was the original owner? No, you must have registration in order to keep track of ownership, and therefore, sales.

Once firearms registration is in place, then it is game over and the long slow death of the second amendment.

It's coming, I tell you, it's coming.
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#48
I was driving downtown this afternoon, and accidentally had Hannity(ugh!) still on. And I must have just caught him at a rare moment when he was actually putting out some interesting info. He stated that the latest pols are clearly showing that the anti-gun sentiment is slowly losing to the other side.

What this means is that people are now having time to put away their shock and start using reason. And since there is now no chance of congress doing anything,.......unless the Dumbasses do their usual 'dying cockroach' routine, the Enlightened one is going to have to resort to whatever he can get away with through Executive Orders. And they are going to all be challenged.

Hannity stated that Bloomberg actually stated what they are really hoping for: another mass shooting immediately following this one. Got to keep the iron hot, or it quickly looses its strength. I'll bet you even the New Yawk lunacy will be challenged in court.
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#49
Well, I wouldn't put it past them to engineer another shooting. I put nothing past the gov't anymore. Nothing good ever really comes out of the new Mordor.

"Dying Cockroach routine". That had me in stitches, John. Thanks for the laugh.

If anything, gun rights will probably scare the Dumbasses into behaving properly, along with a lot of Democrat congressmen like the ones we have. I have two Democrat senators, and I know they will NOT vote in gun control. I can at least feel safe on that point. Baucus paid with pain when he was all about the AWB in the 90s. These days, he knows better now. He knows.
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(01-18-2013, 01:58 AM)Gunnen4u Wrote: Well, I wouldn't put it past them to engineer another shooting. I put nothing past the gov't anymore. Nothing good ever really comes out of the new Mordor.

"Dying Cockroach routine". That had me in stitches, John. Thanks for the laugh.

If anything, gun rights will probably scare the Dumbasses into behaving properly, along with a lot of Democrat congressmen like the ones we have. I have two Democrat senators, and I know they will NOT vote in gun control. I can at least feel safe on that point. Baucus paid with pain when he was all about the AWB in the 90s. These days, he knows better now. He knows.

Two things here Tait:

First, the 'dying cockroach' used to be a favorite thing at the Citadel. Some of the seniors would get the knobs(plebes) to do something stupid at times, and this was one of them. All they needed to say was "Assume the dying cockroach position" and the knob would immediately get down on the deck, roll over and stick his legs up into he air, followed by twitching and jerking. Here's some knob, all cleaned up and looking perfect, with his chin in, and lying upside down moving like a dying roach. Poor guy. LOL!

And secondly, this is a loser for Jackasses having to run for reelection in 2014. If they vote for any anti-gun legislation, they are scared shitless. I heard that even that Jackass comedian, who got elected to the senate, is already whining about this very thing. I'd love to see it try to make its way through congress, just so we can see which Jackasses and Dumbasses actually support such a thing. I'll bet you everyone of them up for reelection would choke.

And for good reason too. The NRA, and other gun lobbies would eat them for lunch. And too, the Tea Party is not a thing of the past either. Its going to become even stronger, now that the country is beginning to wake up more. You wait and see.
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#51
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...st_tyranny

I am surprised, and somewhat heartened.
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(01-18-2013, 07:06 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c...st_tyranny

I am surprised, and somewhat heartened.

Only 65%? To me, that is so disheartening. It should be at least 85-90 percent for certain. Obviously it is because of the sorry state of government schools and horrible teacher quality.

I'm sorry Tait, but I don't feel anything positive from those terrible percentages.
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#53
No need to be sorry at all, John.

I assumed it would be like somewhere around 10-20%. I always expect the worst, so anything else that crops up isn't so discouraging. I was surprised 65% thought like that. Give it 10 to 20 years, and it will not even be a majority anymore.

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#54
Time to boycott Time Warner Cable.
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#55
My friend Michael, who shares my shop, and sells retail window treatments at the NC fairgrounds on weekends, just called me to tell me that the Dixie Gun and Knife Show, across the street from him, is going crazy. He said the building announcer told everyone that there has never been anything like this before.

The state fairground parking lots are jam packed, and there is at least a three hour wait for people to just get into the building where the gun and knife show is taking place. And that's just to get in the door.

People here are like Soviet citizens in the Cold War, trying to buy groceries/items, by having to stand in long lines. They are willing to wait out in the cold for hours, just to have a chance to scarf up what is available. Amazing!

This buying frenzy is going to show the complete foolishness of the Jackasses, and the Anointed One with the sheer numbers alone. The tide is going against him/them and people are not going to put up with their Liberties being taken away from them. You just wait, Obama is going to have a terribly rough second term, and the Jackasses are going to really be hurt badly at the midterms, "In Spite of the Dumbasses' Gutlessness".
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(01-19-2013, 12:55 PM)John L Wrote: ...The state fairground parking lots are jam packed, and there is at least a three hour wait for people to just get into the building where the gun and knife show is taking place...

Totally in line with the Obama strategy of isolating the South as bogeyman. Mark Levin was point-on with his analysis. Obama is creating a dangerous minority to blame - and not just for gun ownership.
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(01-19-2013, 11:19 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Totally in line with the Obama strategy of isolating the South as bogeyman. Mark Levin was point-on with his analysis. Obama is creating a dangerous minority to blame - and not just for gun ownership.

If you think the South is being isolated as an exclusive whipping boy, you are mistaken. The press is going after some unfortunate accidents at shows in Ohio and Indiana as well ... the 'bogeyman' is the "gun culture" itself ... regardless of geography. They think they can separate the "gun culture" from the half of the electorate that are gun owners. It doesn't strike me as a very rational strategy ... but since when did that matter?
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Who believes this will happen?
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Regarding the tanking of the economy that the Lt. cites as a catalyst, how exactly is that supposed to be 'isolated' to the South? I'd be interested in how they expect to 'isolate' Texas. Does Texas qualify as "the South"? Sorry but I can't imagine that this could be done state by state. They couldn't even move in on Koresh's compound or Randy Weaver's tiny cabin without the sh*t hitting the fan nationally ... and that was pretty much prior to being a net connected society. Even if they tried to confine it to a particular county, it seems unlikely that this would not quickly blow up into a sh*t storm of large scale unintended consequences. I think the Fed's will have some difficulty dealing with all the Black Swans lurking in the wings under "normal circumstances" ... let alone controlling things if the flood gates are opened.

Slow, constant erosion is what made the Grand Canyon ... and if our liberties are indeed to be taken, most likely, that will be the method. Outright catastrophes are much, much harder to manage.
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#60
If America were to fall into conflict, it wouldn't be various civil wars or conflicts of that nature.

No, it would probably be more akin to Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, or Juarez, Mexico. Tons of unrest and violence within the larger framework of a third world city with illegal firearms being used constantly despite the presence of elite police or military units.
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