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Understanding the Second Amendment & The War Against It
#21
I guess it started from day 1, but, in 1866 the USA went through the hard process of amending the constitution to free slaves. I see that decision after that war with such an emotional issue as evidence that crew respected the document as the law in 1866.

I tend to focus on FDR simply because he tried to overtly pack the court and eventually succeeded by getting elected 5000 times and the court went from a constitutional basis to a rubber stamp court at that point. It's never been otherwise since 1940, IMO with minor exceptions.
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#22
(01-11-2013, 08:57 PM)John L Wrote: The only thing I am not absolutely certain of is just who is going to be the Scapegoat with this one. Can't blame the Jews this time around. Perhaps the Muslims, or gypsies, or...................? Its always someone, and who knows, this time it may just be the Christians, but it will be someone.

It's clearly obvious to me who it will be ... queue the "blood on their hands" rhetoric. It will be the intransigent opposition party ... the obstructionists in Congress that refuse to "let anything get done!". And the knuckle heads are setting themselves up for it. Look at the cliff deal. Now that people are realizing that the payroll tax holiday is over, even though the legislation was trumpeted as a triumph by the rats and the White House, the GOP is getting lined up to have the shrinking paychecks lain on their doorstep. So much for compromise ... they never learn. They will likely buckle on the gun control issue as well ... and then they'll get the blame for not "doing enough" when the next atrocity occurs ... while at the same time continuing to alienate their own political base. Stupid bastards. Read Scott Rasmussen on the structural defects that facilitate this idiocy. Also, expect active steps to ignore the Citizens United ruling in order to muzzle the NRA (growing at about 8K per month) and GOA (probably also growing at a swift pace) ... expect this to be justified by the shrieks of "blood on their hands!". The second amendment is only once piece. They appear to be picking and choosing the language of the 14th amendment as well. Expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future.
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#23
No Jack, that is not what is traditionally meant by the scapegoat routine by Collectivist tyrants, when finding an enemy. It has to be an outsider, or extreme minority who is perceived to be the root cause of the problem. There are too many citizens you are referring to. After all, even this group, or a large portion of it, need to be also galvanized, or it never will work.

Jews, gypsies, Muslims, foreign minorities, etc, are the ones who are put up as the cause and must be driven out, arrested, beaten up, or just plain lables as traitors to the society. That's what I mean.
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#24
We're running out of bogeymen anymore. Especially here.
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(01-13-2013, 03:39 PM)Palladin Wrote: We're running out of bogeymen anymore. Especially here.

My guess is that in Euro-LaLa Land the next set of Collectivist tyrants are going to use the imported Muslims as their scapegoat. Most over there can't stand them. They dress funny, act funny, and like the jews before, kept themselves separate from the mainstream, and appeared to look down their noses at everyone else.

Muslims are the perfect foil for the tyrant. The only problem is that they won't go meekly like the Ashkenazis did. That should be interesting to watch in the future when the EU collapses. And believe me, it is going to.
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#26
For everyone's reference, I modified the title of the thread to include more than just understanding the Second Amendment. I also included the war against it, because creating another thread was just too complicated.

I had meant to start a separate thread on this continuing war, but hadn't gotten around to it. So now that we have a thread, begun by someone other than myself, lets keep this thread for the upcoming fight.
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#27
Alright, let's all sign this "gun free zone" petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...n=shorturl
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(01-13-2013, 03:31 PM)John L Wrote: No Jack, that is not what is traditionally meant by the scapegoat routine by Collectivist tyrants, when finding an enemy. It has to be an outsider, or extreme minority who is perceived to be the root cause of the problem. There are too many citizens you are referring to. After all, even this group, or a large portion of it, need to be also galvanized, or it never will work.

Jews, gypsies, Muslims, foreign minorities, etc, are the ones who are put up as the cause and must be driven out, arrested, beaten up, or just plain lables as traitors to the society. That's what I mean.

Two divergent thoughts ...

First ... sure they need a 'minority' ... why not pit a few million folks that own the types of semi-auto rifles that are the target of the current emotional 'banic' against roughly half the country that own firearms that don't fall into that category? If the NRA can facilitate Reid's re-election, they are probably stupid enough for such a 'compromise'. Divide and conquer ... it isn't exactly a new strategy now is it?

Second ... if you were pathologically conspiratorial, you might wonder if Reid and Obama might be in cahoots and taking kick backs from the firearms industry itself. An article I read from Sept. prior to the election indicated that there had been roughly 50 million background checks during Obama's first term (I think GW had about half that for two terms) ... and that number has since likely skyrocketed. Given that there are roughly 200-300 million firearms in the country, Barrack has apparently marketed a quarter to a fifth of them!! You can't buy many firearms right now if you wanted to ... virtually the entire pipeline ... what ... maybe two years of stock? is either gone or en route ... pretty much every manufacturer is on back order. Magpul (a company a few miles from where I live) apparently has 1 million AR-15 mags on backorder ... same with ammunition in all but a few calibers. Go online and see if you can find anyone with .22 rimfire in stock. I'd like to believe in your assertion on the other thread that Reid will throttle debate ... or maybe that the fact that Obama has turned the matter over to a blue ribbon panel chaired by his super-genius VP is a signal that he isn't serious ... but I'm not sure I can conjure that kind of optimism ... or paranoia.

They are backing off the ban stuff and pushing the "universal background check" ... short hand for banning private sales. The only way that will work is with registration. The ban may be a bait and switch ... close the "loophole" ... and we'll leave everybody alone ... right? Now hold still so we can get you all fingerprinted.
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(01-14-2013, 07:17 PM)Palladin Wrote: Alright, let's all sign this "gun free zone" petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...n=shorturl

What happens when they meet their goal? Does it occur?
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(01-14-2013, 08:22 PM)John L Wrote:
(01-14-2013, 07:17 PM)Palladin Wrote: Alright, let's all sign this "gun free zone" petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio...n=shorturl

What happens when they meet their goal? Does it occur?

Has Piers Morgan been deported? All they have to do is 'respond' when a threshold is reached ... and I'm not even sure they have to do that. He is legally obligated to submit a budget to Congress by a certain date ... but that's not going to happen either ... our Imperial Leader is above any mere law. I would expect that there is an "Auto Pen" with the phrase "Pound Sand" along with the Executive's signature programmed to deal with these sorts of things.
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#31
So, anyone want to start a pool on how many children will be used for Obama's pending White House address?

In all honesty, I'll find out the bad news from another source. I cannot stand to see that man on TV, and hearing him tell us what he is signing into law by fiat will only piss me off even more.

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If it were up to me, I'd just take that flag down permanently.
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(01-16-2013, 01:14 AM)Gunnen4u Wrote: So, anyone want to start a pool on how many children will be used for Obama's pending White House address?

Whoa! Did I miss the moment our Cannibal-in-Chief stepped out of the closet? S6
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#33
I mean as props and decorations, and to make the audience feel like Obama loves the children..
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#34
Looks like Texas and Wyoming aren't going to accept anything the Fearless Leader has to say today: Texas to Join Wyoming: Felony Charges for Enforcing New Gun Control.

Quote:Texas state representative Steve Toth is filing legislation for a "Firearms Protection Act" similar to that which we saw in Wyoming..

This law will make "any federal law banning semi-automatic handguns or limiting the size of gun magazines unenforceable within the state's boundaries."

Not only will this put Texas shoulder-to-shoulder with Wyoming in making it a felony for anyone--including federal agents--to try to enforce new gun control, but according to the Tenth Amendment Center it is in perfect harmony with the actions of Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, "who has already filed over twenty-three lawsuits against the federal government."

More good news--representative Toth is newly elected, which means he isn't wasting any time. He is taking it to the gun-grabbers instead of sitting back to see what happens next.

Toth puts it this way: "We can no longer depend on the Federal Government and this Administration to uphold a Constitution they no longer believe in."

The message is simple: "Don't Mess With Texas," and particularly, with Texas' gun laws.

If each of these two state's legislatures pass this, and it is signed, there is going to be some very interesting potential here. I really want to watch this closely just for the entertainment value.
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#37
Basically, his address and EO's covered about NOTHING. He literally was hamstring for the most part. The whole thing struck me as an excuse to get all the little white and black and brown kids up there with their cute little letters and then pimp them out for Obama's speech to make people sympathetic to him and gun control.

God, it was cringe-worthy.
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#38
Samo samo ... ... law of unintended consequences. As I recall this sort of thing also occurred shortly into his first term as well. Hopefully most departments had purchasing managers that were smart enough to see it coming .. those that didn't? ... well ... they're in the same predicament as the rest of the great unwashed public. So much for enhanced public safety.
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#39
Good. If we cannot get a hold of ammo, then neither should anyone else, regardless of how the special they are by being law enforcement or some agency, etc.
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(01-16-2013, 05:19 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: Good. If we cannot get a hold of ammo, then neither should anyone else, regardless of how the special they are by being law enforcement or some agency, etc.

Hey ... anybody remember this from last year?

Hmmmm ....

I suspect the 'special' agencies are fully stocked ... it's the local first responders that are, unfortunately, in the same boat with the rest of the public.
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