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Celebrating Obama's re-election
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Alone in this thread...
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#2
What is there to celebrate? The triumph of wrong? The triumph of negative campaigning and untrue personal attacks? The triumph of a total incompetent who never so much as managed a lemonade stand over a proven professional in business?

Contemplate very carefully what the nation has let itself in for during the next four years, and see if it is really a cause for celebrating. I think this is the beginning of the end. The end of America as a nation that stands for good in the world, and the end of the world as it looks to America for leadership. I am afraid there may be no recovery from this. We are heading downhill, and it is permanent. This time, we have finally gone too far. Woe to the next generation--if there is one.
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This is not the beginning by a mile.

The negative trends go back quite a while and it is hard to mark the beginning ... one can go as far as FDR or even earlier.

In my view, the pivotal event in the US downfall was the victory in Cold War that denied the US both the adversary and the rationale... that would be the Senior... and the financial collapse, while long in the making, became unstoppable only ten years ago... that would be the Junior.

Not the freaking boy, he is really only the symptom.
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My point is that this is the beginning of the end in the sense that it is now too late to ever recover. We have gone too far. It will not matter who is elected president in 2016.
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and it did not matter who was elected in 2012 either. I don't agree with 'ever', however. A renewal is always possible, now via the bloody Restart button.

A time for a quote, perhaps?

Alexis de Tocquevill Wrote:A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.”
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mv Wrote:The negative trends go back quite a while and it is hard to mark the beginning ... one can go as far as FDR or even earlier.
At least something that makes sens.

I know it's not meant to be pro-Obama but it's still implying that Obama is not at the beginning of all of this.

The US on a decline, maybe, but as a society as a whole. Not as a single President.
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(11-07-2012, 05:21 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
mv Wrote:The negative trends go back quite a while and it is hard to mark the beginning ... one can go as far as FDR or even earlier.
At least something that makes sens.

I know it's not meant to be pro-Obama but it's still implying that Obama is not at the beginning of all of this.

oh, electing scum like Obama is obviously a symptom of an already very sick society, and one does not get to this state overnight. S6

Quote:The US on a decline, maybe, but as a society as a whole. Not as a single President.

The US is obviously on a decline, and things will get much worse before they get a little better... but one should not totally dismiss US' ability to recover. Not in our lifetime for most of us, but perhaps Gunnen4u would be living in a new decent country when he is old and frail fifty years from now. S13

incidentally, the decline is not just a US problem.... the entire Western civilization is heading straight into the Recycle Bin, with Europe showing the way.
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...and having had a professional crook and sect leader as could-be president is a sign that you are at the bottom of decadence! LOL.

The way the dual partisanry is destroying the country, almost by purpose, doesn't bode well for the GN4U and those of his generation.

I don't know if Europe shows the way. Or the US. But Wall Street does.
At present, the EU states are deleveraging (modestly but surely) while the US is still accelerating its debt increase. And Wall Street hates what they see in Europe.
They would like to see the EU with a €16T debt too, on top of national debts and QE after QE and eurobonds with yields of 1% and change.
F***k them.
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I believe that we are now on a downslope irrecoverably. The Lord will come within nine years at the most. It is too late for any good man, even as good as a Romney or a Reagan, to turn America back from the course it is on. We have indeed passed the point of no return. Mitt Romney would have been a great president. But he was our last chance as a nation. Now there is no more chance.

I know of a pastor who over 20 years ago had a dream in which he was told that a black man would be president when the National Sunday Law in America was enacted, heralding the transformation of America into a religious dictatorship and the beginning of the Final Conflict between Good and Evil.

It will come about by very surprising means. First, recognition of homosexual unions as "Marriages" on a national level (as Obama has already indicated a willingness to bring about) will constitute an official rebellion against the authority of the Creator, which will lead to God beginning the signal withdrawal of His protection. The calamities that will follow, a hundredfold greater than any troubles that have gone before, will lead to a national, even a worldwide clamor for "getting back to God." But this will be used by Evil to lead to the enactment of a National Sunday Law in America, which will signal the actual begininng of the Final Conflict. Marriage and the seventh-day Sabbath are the two institutions God gave to the human race in Eden prior to the entrance of sin.
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Quote:The Lord will come within nine years at the most.

A sad case of an incurable optimist.... Still hoping for someone to right the wrongs? Not gonna happen....

Yes, we will have homo "marriage", incest, bestiality, polygamy, infanticide, and cannibalism... all of it and more, just no Lord to file an objection. S6
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Ron, these prophecies have been thrown around for several thousand years now, and number in the thousands, or hundreds of thousands. How many of them have come to pass? Just name one where the world has come to an end?

I had a long response here, but on reflection deleted it. Its not going to make any difference anyway. This is the very sort of thing that cost the GOP two senate seats that were almost guaranteed winners. I'm just totally perplexed by it all, so I'll just STFU...........................................
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Why can't something be done about this, surely laws were broken.
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(11-08-2012, 05:46 PM)WarBicycle Wrote: Why can't something be done about this, surely laws were broken.

1. Eric Holder

2. lack of moral courage from GOP

3.too much trouble from local authorities.

I'm sure there are others, but those three alone are more than enough.
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Dan Mitchell pretty much sums up my overall thinking on the latest results, and why there is still some positive things to look forward to. Seven Silver Linings in Yesterday’s Election Results. This is the Libertarian/CATO Institute look at reality.

And note that he actually predicted this very result, with a few minor differences.

Oh, and don't overlook his two "Post Scripts" at the end. Both are well worth remembering.

Quote:...........Now let’s think about the consequences for America.

Based on the conversations I’ve had and the emails I’ve received, many of you are very glum. I can understand the angst, so let me try to cheer you up by mentioning seven silver linings to this dark cloud.

Quote:1. There will be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to reform entitlements the next time a Republican wins the White House. But it has to be the right kind of reform, not means-testing, price controls, and other gimmicks designed to somehow prop up the current programs. Romney did select Paul Ryan as his running mate, so it’s possible he would have pushed for structural reforms. But I’m guessing that the guy who adopted Obamacare on the state level ultimately would have botched this issue. This means good reforms are still possible, perhaps in as little as four years.

2. One of the most worrisome things about Mitt Romney is that he repeatedly refused to rule out a value-added tax when asked by the editors of the Wall Street Journal. I don’t trust politicians when they say they’ll do the right thing. So when they refuse to even give rhetorical assurances, alarm bells definitely start ringing. My nightmare scenario is that Romney would have been elected, made some half-hearted attempt to restrain spending, and then would have decided that a new source of revenue was needed once Harry Reid said no to any fiscal restraint. And as we saw during the Bush years, Republicans in Congress generally are willing to do the wrong thing when a Republican President makes the request. With Obama in the White House, it is highly unlikely that House Republicans would agree to this dangerous new tax.

3. As a general rule, the party controlling the White House loses seats in the House and Senate during mid-term elections. This presumably means more Tea Party-oriented Representatives and Senators after 2014.

4. With Obama in the White House for four more years, there’s an opportunity for a genuine advocate of small government to run and win in 2016. I don’t know whether that person will be Senator Marco Rubio, Senator Rand Paul, Governor Bobby Jindal, Representative Paul Ryan, or someone who isn’t even on my radar screen, but all of those options seem far more appealing – both philosophically and politically – than the GOP candidates who ran this year.

5. A Romney victory may have paved the way for Andrew Cuomo or some other statist in 2016. There will be leftists running next time, of course, but I’m guessing it will be more difficult for such a candidate to win since voters often get antsy after one party is in power for too long.

6. The election was not a mandate for Obamacare or the faux stimulus. The President spent almost no time bragging about the two biggest “accomplishments” of his first term. Indeed, he was probably fortunate that he ran against a Republican who couldn’t really exploit Obamacare because he did something very similar when he was Governor of Massachusetts (as this cartoon humorously illustrates). And he certainly didn’t get any political benefit from having flushed $800 billion down the drain on a bunch of Keynesian gimmicks.

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7. One very positive feature of the elections is that lawmakers did not measurably suffer because of their support for the Medicaid and Medicare reforms in the Ryan budget. Nancy Pelosi’s “Medi-scare” campaign was the dog that didn’t bark in the 2012 elections. This presumably bodes well if there’s ever a pro-reform President.

Now here are three reasons to be unhappy.

Quote:1. Obama is a bad President. His Keynesian stimulus was a flop. Obamacare made a bad healthcare system even worse. He keeps pushing for class-warfare tax policy. And he wants to increase the burden of government spending. I fully expect him to pursue the same misguided policies in a second term.

“Ha, ha, ha, I will haunt your dreams for the next four years!”

2. If there are any vacancies on the Supreme Court, they will be filled by doctrinaire leftists. So the great libertarian conspiracy to restore constitutional constraints on the federal government will be temporarily postponed.

3. We have to endure four more years of sanctimonious speeches.

But I doubt Romney would have pursued good policies, picked good Justices, or given uplifting speeches, so I would have been unhappy regardless.

So cheer up, my friends. Our Founding Fathers had to risk their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor to create America. In the battle to restore/protect their vision, all we have to do is engage in some activism.

P.S. Since I’ve written that conservatives and libertarians share some common ground on the issue of abortion, I’m going to make a friendly suggestion to pro-life Republican candidates and their consultants. Spend a couple of days before each campaign developing a few on-the-shelf talking points so you’re less likely to say really stupid things about rape and abortion.

P.P.S. For my partisan Republican friends who are looking for someone to blame, allow me to suggest George Bush and Karl Rove. By deliberately choosing bad policy in hopes of gaining short-run political advantage, they created the medium-run conditions that enabled Obama to win the White House.


What is interesting is that Dan Mitchell is really just reiterating the very things I told Bill weeks ago. And Bill chastised me for saying pretty much the same things. But I'll go out a bit further and predict that the outcome of all this will most likely be a constitutional amendment that prohibits this from ever occurring again. And if we are lucky, we will also be blessed with a Gold Standard once more.

So, lets think positive, ok? S22
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Yes Ron, within months of gay marriage being made legal by Obama, the US will be a replicate of Sodom and Ghomorre.
Obama, the Devil's Envoy on Earth, whose path to World Leadership has been paved a long time ago by Allen Ginsberg.
Leaving no choice to God but burning the whole place at once, killing everybody instantly without distinction. The only way to eradicate the Sin.

Romney could have avoided that.

Romney was the perfect president because he prays and respect God (not like these obese black women blaspheming by singing and dancing in the House of the Christ -and voting Obama on top of that-), attends the Church every sunday, has a housewhife of the perfect pre-60's model (save the haircut), and always wears a suit and a tie even on the beach.
A man who serves God in such pure way can only be the savior of the nation!
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Ron,


If you'd study ancient history, you'd realize we're moral girl scouts compared to the past. Even here.

In 1941, the Alabama majorettes formed up in a nazi swastika formation at a football game. I have the photo, just don't know how to post photos.

Brutal slavery, incest enough to make your hair curl in my region, racism so deeply ingrained it's amazing to see even today, hangings,etc.

Yea, our morals are down in sexual mores, up in other areas such as how to treat fellow humans, IMO.

Don't over react here.
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No need for that photo, the links of scouts (both girls and boys) and Nazis are well known. Swastika is only a small part of it, Nazi salute is copied from the Pledge of Allegiance. lots of stuff here.

So, Palladin, if you want to be a moral girl scout, don't be surprised if someone mistakes you for a Nazi.

Fred Wrote:Romney was the perfect president because he prays and respect God

Too bad I missed his inauguration... S6 yes, perfect president, he would have imposed faggiage on the rest of the country the way he imposed it on Mass...
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MV,

The moral girl scout comparison was how we are now, not back then. We're declining, but, I much prefer 2012 USA to 1941 USA.

I'll take the sexual moral collapse including openly gay folks and enhanced dependency on the state to the 1941 cultural views we had toward non western European white humanity that were powerful here back then.

Honestly, I wonder how close we were to Hitler's views in 1941, maybe way closer than any of us want to think about? "The Voyage of The Damned" says enough about where our heart's were in the 1940s.

Is our culture declining? Yes and no. It isn't a linear decline across the board and it may make a good comeback, it does happen or be replaced with a better alternative.

I'm not nearly as pessimistic as Ron.
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People won't be celebrating for very long, below is a link to companies that have issued layoff notices since Obama's re-election. BUSINESSES THAT HAVE ANNOUNCED CLOSINGS OR LAYOFFS SINCE OBAMA WON A SECOND TERM?
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(11-07-2012, 05:01 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: My point is that this is the beginning of the end in the sense that it is now too late to ever recover. We have gone too far. It will not matter who is elected president in 2016.

lol.

The US was hemorrhaging 84,000 jobs -per day- when Obama took office.
Now they're not.
By definition that is recovery.


Republicans make me laugh. If a republican went to your house and dumped 10 tons of garbage in your back lawn and you sent your democrat neighbor out to clean it up, you'd blame the neighbor for taking too long to do it.
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