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WALL STREET INSIDER On Latest Obama Jobs Report: ” Absolute Rubbish”
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WmLambert Wrote:Ryan was a Representative supporting local companies. Part of that job is to write letters in the pursuit of grants. There is nothing wrong with decrying bad programs while supporting local companies who may get some advantage from them, regardless.
Oh. So you too hated that stimulus package, then, got around to liking it. OK, Bill. S17 S13 [Image: 017.gif]
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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(10-12-2012, 09:23 PM)Grizzly Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:Ryan was a Representative supporting local companies. Part of that job is to write letters in the pursuit of grants. There is nothing wrong with decrying bad programs while supporting local companies who may get some advantage from them, regardless.
Oh. So you too hated that stimulus package, then, got around to liking it. OK, Bill. S17 S13 [Image: 017.gif]

Are you sure you aren't putting words into someone else's mouth Grizz?
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JohnL Wrote:Are you sure you aren't putting words into someone else's mouth Grizz?
No. Just watching a dance, John. S5
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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#64
Well, I definitely know a 'Song and dance' when I see one, and it looks as though you are the leading partner here. S5
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#65
Do you see color Grizz?
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#66
No dance. Ryan has duties to his constituents. There was a bad bill out there that was law. His constituents requested assistance to get in on it. The rationalization is that a good company getting money instead of bad companies is less bad for the country. Without the good company applying for it, the government would just give it away to crony competitors who might destroy the good company in the process.

What strategy do you suggest would work better?
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#67
Well, surprise, Surprise, SURPRISE!!: Weekly Jobless Claims Drop Proves to Be Short-Lived.

So much for gasps and outrage that someone would have the audacity to accuse the Bamster of fudging the numbers, one month before the election.

What was all that about Jack Welsh being a liar?

SUCKERS!!
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#68
I don't follow one figure in that report. It said the California report of applications was up from last week's - yet, I thought California did not submit their data last week - which was largely responsible for the 7.8% jobless figure. Did some of California's report get through, but not all of the monthly numbers?
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#69
And here is the latest, while the Grizz watches the Dance take place: Calif. official whose agency under-reported unemployment stats was Obama campaign donor.

So when do the excuses of 'Dishonesty' and 'Ineptness' race each other to the bottom of the barrel? When both are used interchangeably, right?
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(10-19-2012, 07:03 AM)John L Wrote: And here is the latest, while the Grizz watches the Dance take place: Calif. official whose agency under-reported unemployment stats was Obama campaign donor.

So when do the excuses of 'Dishonesty' and 'Ineptness' race each other to the bottom of the barrel? When both are used interchangeably, right?
Congratulations, John, you found an error of 16,000 people. That sure makes a difference.S17
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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(10-19-2012, 07:02 PM)Grizzly Wrote:
(10-19-2012, 07:03 AM)John L Wrote: And here is the latest, while the Grizz watches the Dance take place: Calif. official whose agency under-reported unemployment stats was Obama campaign donor.

So when do the excuses of 'Dishonesty' and 'Ineptness' race each other to the bottom of the barrel? When both are used interchangeably, right?
Congratulations, John, you found an error of 16,000 people. That sure makes a difference.S17

You can use the "16,000" number, as expected of you, but the truth is that the numbers were much more than that.
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#72
Grizz, what is your complaint? The numbers were skewed. that 16,000 artificially lowered the number by 114%. How much did that affect the 7.8% number that was presented?

Oh... and Morgenstern, who donated the maximum to Obama put that he was unemployed on the donation papers when he was employed??? He misrepresented himself three separate times. I guess we should give him a break and assume everything he does is above board?
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#73
(10-19-2012, 07:11 PM)John L Wrote:
(10-19-2012, 07:02 PM)Grizzly Wrote:
(10-19-2012, 07:03 AM)John L Wrote: And here is the latest, while the Grizz watches the Dance take place: Calif. official whose agency under-reported unemployment stats was Obama campaign donor.

So when do the excuses of 'Dishonesty' and 'Ineptness' race each other to the bottom of the barrel? When both are used interchangeably, right?
Congratulations, John, you found an error of 16,000 people. That sure makes a difference.S17

You can use the "16,000" number, as expected of you, but the truth is that the numbers were much more than that.
OK. If you say so, John. S22
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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#74
(10-19-2012, 07:17 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Grizz, what is your complaint? The numbers were skewed. that 16,000 artificially lowered the number by 114%. How much did that affect the 7.8% number that was presented?

Oh... and Morgenstern, who donated the maximum to Obama put that he was unemployed on the donation papers when he was employed??? He misrepresented himself three separate times. I guess we should give him a break and assume everything he does is above board?
I'll tell you what, Bill, go ahead and hold an investigation on that, but you're going to get just as much ahead on this complaint as much as when the Democrats complained, when Walden O'Dell said, he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." S17
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations." `Thomas Jefferson

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#75
(10-19-2012, 08:25 PM)Grizzly Wrote: ...Walden O'Dell said, he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." S17

That was 2004 And Bush. Diebold has been investigated left, right, and sideways. In 2008, it was Hillary that was fingered for manipulation of Diebold voting machines.
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#76
The truth is that both sides tend to fudge the numbers in order to make themselves look better. Its like using makeup on a woman.

But clearly the Bamster is going all out to make the pig look like a beauty queen.


Incidentally, welcome to ai-jane. S1
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#77
Hannah, that link was to an old article from 2012. A more recent one is Here.
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#78
An interesting take away from that article ... A shift to independent contractors, in addition to making the metrics more difficult, removes the accounting burdens (for collecting payroll taxes) from a relatively small number of large company HR departments and service companies like ADP and Insperity and diffuses them (responsibilities for paying SE taxes) to millions of individuals. Instead of an 'automatic' fly by wire system that gleans SS and Medicare taxes bi-monthly from a small group of easily audit-able sources, suddenly traditional payroll taxes become dependent a multitude of individuals 'properly' complying on a 'quarterly' basis. With the latter 'outpacing' the former by 2020 ... when Social Security and Medicare will likely be facing their worst fiscal strains. The potential of such a major structural shift, the implications and the timing of it has to be scaring the pants off the people who worship big government.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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#79
Jack, the next step will be to actively go after those skirting the system, which will require new laws, with an ever larger law enforcement presence. And that means more Big Government and more loss of Liberties.

Its basically the same thing as black marketing cigarettes, because of the prohibitive taxes, and a goodly part of that to pay for the law enforcement. Its a never ending cycle and more will skirt the system. And originally the main idea was to raise revenue, but later turns into a 'punitive' system.

The entire problem could always be averted by having an education that taught classical economics, and common sense. Adam Smith discussed this in some detail over two hundred years ago.

The one thing we learn about history is that we tend to always forget their lessons, and make the same ones over, and over, and..............................

Show me someone who does not freelance, and I will show you a fool, or a liar.
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#80
(07-04-2013, 01:51 PM)John L Wrote: Jack, the next step will be to actively go after those skirting the system, which will require new laws, with an ever larger law enforcement presence. And that means more Big Government and more loss of Liberties.

Sure, yes, they made a feeble attempt to address this in the Healthcare law by requiring 1098s from all 'vendors' that did more than $600 a year in business. It still requires individual 'vendors' to file. Good luck with that. AFIK, this hasn't really resulted in the expected swelling of federal coffers ... go figure huh? It's very simple and easy to "auto-collect" payroll taxes from employee payroll paychecks. It's much more difficult and complex to force individuals to comply to the SE 'honor' system. Particularly when it puts them on the hook for the entire 12.4% demanded for Social Security taxes ... in addition to the rest of the pile of would be federal revenue. Yes, more 'laws' and an expanded army of Lois Lerners to implement them and harass people ... but ultimately the revenue stream will still thin out as a consequence ... boo hoo.

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I did not realize at the time that the 1099 (not 1098) requirement had been another one of those items dropped from the law. Still, Obamacare is like an onion ... even when strip away a few layers it continues to stink.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
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