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Japan China Confrontation? Japan's Navy Growing
So, when's the next representative election?
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There is now also some little action going on between Philippines and Japan.

Times are changing, Japanese military is now obviously welcome to show up in the Philippines.

Openly said, if you see the chart, the claims of China - to claim more or less the entire South Chinese Sea - are ridiculous.
It's basically about to take away almost all sea west of the Philippines.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/japanese-wars...47549.html

Quote:Two Japanese destroyers and a submarine docked at a Philippine port on Sunday near disputed South China Sea waters, where Beijing's increasingly assertive behaviour has sparked global concern.

Manila is seeking to strengthen ties with Tokyo as tensions mount over the disputed waterway, almost all of which is claimed by China.

Japanese submarine Oyashio and destroyers JS Ariake and JS Setogiri docked in the Subic port Sunday for a routine visit at a sprawling former US naval base just 200 kilometres (125 miles) from a Chinese-held shoal.

"The visit is a manifestation of a sustained promotion of regional peace and stability and enhancement of maritime cooperation between neighbouring navies," Philippine Navy spokesman Commander Lued Lincuna said.

The Ariake was equipped with an anti-submarine helicopter, according to an AFP photographer at the scene.

The port call came on the eve of war games between the United States and Filipino soldiers in the Philippines, which is seen as a showcase of a long-standing military alliance that the Philippines is counting on to deter China.

Seriously outgunned by its much larger rival China, the Philippines has turned to allies like the United States and Japan to upgrade its armed forces in recent years.

In February, Japan agreed to supply the Philippines with military hardware, which may include anti-submarine reconnaissance aircraft and radar technology.

Tensions in the South China Sea -- through which one-third of the world's oil passes -- have mounted in recent months since China transformed contested reefs into artificial islands capable of supporting military facilities.

Aside from the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan also have overlapping claims.

Japan and China are locked in a separate dispute over an uninhabited island chain in the East Sea.

The Philippines has asked a United Nations-backed tribunal to declare China's sea claims as illegal and the government expects a decision this year.

   
   
   
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http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/04...wHbEfl97cs

Full text see link above




Quote:A Maritime Self-Defense Force flotilla of three ships arrived in the Philippines early Sunday on a goodwill visit — the first to include a Japanese submarine in 15 years — amid China’s growing assertiveness in the region.


The training submarine Oyashio, accompanied by the destroyers Ariake and Setogiri, made a port call at Subic Bay, home of a former U.S. naval base, ahead of planned open sea drills. Some 500 Japanese personnel, including 55 officer candidates, are taking part in the confidence-building exercise.

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The two destroyers are then scheduled to continue on to Vietnam’s Cam Ranh Bay for a similar visit. The trip to Cam Ranh Bay will take the two vessels through the South China Sea, where the Philippines, Vietnam and three other nations are involved in simmering territorial disputes with China.

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The Japanese decision to send the three vessels to the Philippines, one of the most vocal critics of China’s massive land-reclamation projects in the region, has drawn fire from Beijing. Top Chinese officials have slammed Japan’s push to shore up smaller regional claimants to the waters, with Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei saying last month that Beijing was keeping a watchful eye on Tokyo’s moves in the area.
“Japan once illegally occupied China’s islands in the South China Sea during WWII,” Hong said. “We are on high alert against Japan’s attempt to return to the South China Sea through military means.”
The visit to Vietnam is also likely to spur an angry reaction from China.

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Tokyo has ramped up its cooperation with both Manila and Hanoi, leasing patrol aircraft to the Philippines and building stronger defense ties with Vietnam.

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 In late February, Tokyo and Manila signed a defense equipment transfer agreement. This made the Philippines the first Southeast Asian country to have such an agreement with Japan. The agreement promotes the joint production and development of defense equipment and technology, and establishes a legal framework to do so.



This is still little, a beginning, but better than doing nothing.

We will see about the reaction from Vietnam towards Japan regarding military issues. It will be interesting to know more about how the Vietnamese government sees that situation while facing China.

Unlike various other nations in Asia including Philippines, Vietnamese people do not have bad memories about Japan and WWII. The Japanese were not very active in that area. 

Vietnamese relationship is much more complicated with USA and also with China. 

There are no claims or disputes of any kind between Japan and Vietnam as far as I know.
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Yohan, as long as PRC can get away with all of their pushing, they will keep it up. The longer they remain on any of their islands stolen, the harder it will be to unseat them, without a major war. IMO, the first objective should be the Spratly Islands. PRC to my knowledge has no claim there. Japan probably doesn't have any real claims there to get them stuck into it, but Vietnam, and Philippines really need to get with the program.

Vietnam shouldn't have to worry about an invasion, because they already have a precedent of whipping PRC's butt, Big Time. Only Philippines is vulnerable, and they can probably rely on treaties to roust PRC out.

They'd better get with the program Yesterday, or they will lose what is rightfully theirs. Period!
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http://nationalinterest.org/feature/what...hina-15683

China will not always get away with what they are doing now. This is a summery how Chinese Coastguards behave when attacking fishing boats of other nations.

http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/2016/03/25...ast-guard/

Now even Indonesia is complaining...

Quote:Jakarta Reacts Strongly to Chinese Coast Guard Intrusion
March 25th, 2016  

On Monday, Indonesia became the latest Southeast Asian nation to complain about Chinese aggression in the South China Sea, as Foreign Minister Retno Marsudi summoned a Chinese diplomat to protest China’s coast guard had “violated our sovereignty” and calling on China to respect international law.

The formal protest follows actions taken by China after an Indonesian Ministry of Fishery and Marine Affairs patrol ship intercepted a 300-ton Chinese fishing vessel on Saturday about 4 kilometres off Indonesia’s Natuna island chain.  The chain comprises some 270 islands inhabited by 70,000 people and is located off the northwest coast of Borneo in the South China Sea.

Reports suggest a Chinese coast guard vessel came to the rescue of the Chinese fishing boat which was being towed away by the Indonesian vessel. The Chinese coast guard vessel then rammed the Chinese fishing boat, eventually prying it free and boarding it. The Chinese fishermen were already detained onboard the Indonesian patrol ship. China’s Foreign Ministry argues the incident occurred within traditional Chinese fishing grounds and the Chinese coast guard ship assisted the seized Chinese fishing boat without entering Indonesian territorial waters.

Indonesia has since refused Beijing’s demand for the release of the eight Chinese fishermen, which Indonesia intends to prosecute for illegal fishing. Indonesian authorities have accused Beijing on Wednesday of sharply raising tensions between the two nations, with the Indonesian Minister of Fishery and Marine Affairs Susi Pudjiastuti commenting, “We may take it to the international tribunal of the law of the sea”, following a meeting with Chinese embassy officials.

Some analysts submit the strong response by Jakarta represents a new sea change in foreign policy toward China. Indonesian authorities have traditionally downplayed similar incidents occurring in 2010 and 2013 (which resulted in the release of detained Chinese fishermen), in part over concerns Beijing could cut investment in Indonesia. This time around, a vocal Susi Pudjiastuti, who has drawn support for her crackdowns on illegal fishing, publicized the tactical details of the incident on social media and in the press.

Perhaps Jakarta can afford to play tough—the incident occurred some 4 kilometers off one of the Natuna islands—well within Indonesia’s territorial limits which are not in dispute. Beijing formally recognized Indonesia’s claim to the Natuna Islands last year, as Hong Lei, China’s Foreign Ministry spokespersons issued a public statement on November 12 asserting “the Chinese side has no objection to Indonesia’s sovereignty over the Natuna Islands.” Beijing’s acknowledgment is significant—for Indonesia’s claim to an EEZ extends inside China’s self-claimed “cow’s tongue” or infamous Nine-Dash-Line.

If Beijing accepts the EEZ regime of Indonesia, as a coastal state they relinquish any claims they may have had, with regard to fishing in the EEZ of other states, based on traditional or historic fishing rights. The argument put forth by China’s Foreign Ministry, that the trawler was operating in “traditional Chinese fishing grounds,” simply does not hold water and is not recognized under the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Furthermore, by using its own coast guard vessel as a battering ram, Beijing was in indirect violation of the Collision Regulation convention under the International Maritime Organization.

By defying international law using “traditional fishing grounds” as an excuse, China’s latest show of aggression in the South China Sea has only heightened tensions among its neighbors, and provided the region’s militaries an excuse to increase defense spending. Indonesia has reacted to the latest incident by promising to deploy more troops and better-equipped patrol boats to the Natuna islands, and to strengthen the defense of its naval base on the islands.

No doubt other nations in the region also feel threatened by the latest incident, and will react by beefing up their own militaries in anticipation of a similar incident taking place in waters they claim their own.

The map, where this incident took place speaks for itself...

   

Honestly - where is China and where is Indonesia?

Indonesia is located south of Vietnam, even those islands. What are Chinese Coastguard ships and Chinese fishing vessels doing there?

Operating in “traditional Chinese fishing grounds, what a strange argument is that? Is this a joke or scorn or what?
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Quote:JohnL: the first objective should be the Spratly Islands. PRC to my knowledge has no claim there. Japan probably doesn't have any real claims there

This is correct. Japan and also South Korea are facing different claims from China and not in the South China Sea, but in the East China Sea.

The position of Taiwan is unclear, does all what Taiwan claims, belong to China?

See maps:

   

   

   


.jpg   senkaku-islands.jpg (Size: 65.46 KB / Downloads: 87)

About these pictures, the first chart is about Socotra Rock area, claimed by China from South Korea.

The others are Senkaku Islands, not so tiny islands, but they are nearer to Taiwan and Japan (the nearest island is Yonaguni Island, which is not disputed, and about 2000 Japanese are living there permanently, there are ferry and airplane connections and also tourist facilities)
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After the construction of DDH-183 Izumo,

   

the follow-up twin-ship DDH-184 Kaga is also almost ready for full operation, out of the wharf.

It seems the DDH-183 and DDH-184 will do a good job facing Chinese sea territory in future, we really need some more large ships for the Japanese Navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JS_Kaga


   

   
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni

http://www.maritime-executive.com/articl...ring-china

Also the newly constructed radar station makes progress in Yonaguni, the nearest point to China.
This island is Japanese territory, it is not disputed by China and Taiwan.

As all military personnel is Japanese, there is nothing known about any opposition of Japanese people living on this island.

http://asia.nikkei.com/politics-economy/...eads-south

   
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A good summary about future defense of Japan facing China from the West.
This article was written in 2014, but all so far is working out on schedule with little change, no problems so far.

Quote:http://asia.nikkei.com/politics-economy/...uth?page=2

With China in mind, Japan defense focus heads south
Better communication

The Defense Ministry will station about 100 coastal monitoring troops of the Ground Self-Defense Force on Yonaguni Island by the end of fiscal 2015, on March 31, 2016.

A coastal monitoring radar facility will also be set up on Yonaguni to keep a close watch on aircraft and ships passing through airspace and waters surrounding the island.

An existing fiber-optic cable will be extended to the island to establish a new communication line exclusively for the SDF. It will transmit information from the radar facility to other places used by forces.

At present, a radar facility on Miyako Island is the only one being used for SDF warning and surveillance activities to defend the Senkaku Islands.

Meanwhile, the existing communication network will also be strengthened. A mobile multiplex communication facility will be deployed at Naha Air Base.

The planned new facility can be used as a substitute for the existing fixed communication facility. It can also be transported to remote islands by helicopter.

More amphibious troops

The Defense Ministry will also boost the number of SDF amphibious troops to engage in possible operations to recapture remote islands such as the Senkakus if they are taken by enemy forces.

The new National Defense Program Outline, which sets forth Japan's defense policy over the next decade, was adopted at a cabinet meeting in December last year. It calls for boosting the amphibious troops as one of key policy measures to be taken.

The Defense Ministry is also moving ahead with organizational changes to make Ground Self-Defense Force troops more mobile to allow them to respond to possible contingencies more quickly.

Stronger aircraft fleet

The Defense Ministry also plans to create a squadron of E-2C early-warning aircraft and increase the number of F-15 fighter jet squadrons, which are scrambled against planes from China and other countries, at Naha Air Base.

Intensive information gathering will be crucial to the effective mobilization of those squadrons.

The Self-Defense Forces' communication infrastructure will be improved to cope with future growth in the amount of information sent to command centers and troops after being collected through their surveillance network.

More ammo depots

"The Ground Self-Defense Force has so far put an emphasis on keeping ammunition in Hokkaido, with the former Soviet Union in mind," said a senior Defense Ministry official.

The new Mid-Term Defense Program was adopted at a cabinet meeting in December last year along with the new National Defense Program Outline.

The five-year program outlines new equipment to be procured between fiscal 2014, which starts on April 1, and fiscal 2018. It calls for ammunition to be "kept at the most operationally appropriate places."

The increased ammunition depots in Okinawa and the Kyushu region, now under consideration, would make it easier to replenish supplies to troops dispatched on missions to protect the Nansei Islands.

(Nikkei)
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This from GeoPolitical Monitor:

Interview: Timothy Heath on the South China Sea Dispute
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Looks like a potential confrontation is on the horizon. I think it would have been wiser to tell this to China in private:

http://www.pakwatan.com/2016/06/06/us-is...dali-zain/
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(11-23-2015, 12:20 AM)John L Wrote: I wonder what this is all about?

Explosion reported at Japan's controversial Yasukuni shrine

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06...2Aiwk8poUx

This case is now solved.

Quote:Trial begins for South Korean man over blast at Tokyo’s Yasukuni Shrine


The trial of a South Korean who has admitted to setting a small explosive at Yasukuni Shrine in late November began Tuesday at the Tokyo District Court.


Chon Chang-han, 28, is on trial for trespassing at the Tokyo shrine, as well as smuggling gunpowder into Japan and damaging the ceiling of a restroom at the shrine.

He has admitted to the charges.
No one was injured in the incident.

According to the indictment, Chon’s antipathy toward the controversial war memorial built up during his five years of service in the South Korean military from the age of 20.

Yasukuni Shrine is viewed by some nations as a symbol of Japan’s past militarism in Asia, as it honors convicted several Class-A war criminals along with about 2.5 million war dead.

The indictment said Chon entered the shrine’s grounds to set an explosive on the morning of Nov. 23, 2015.
Finding it crowded with visitors and security guards, however, he decided to set the explosive, made by hand from black gunpowder and metal pipes, in the restroom near the south gate, which allegedly damaged the bathroom’s ceiling.


He returned to South Korea soon after the incident but flew back to Tokyo’s Haneda airport two weeks later, carrying gunpowder in his luggage, and was arrested at the airport.

According to the indictment, Chon returned to Japan intending to detonate another bomb, made with a pressure cooker, to attract more attention.

Chon emerged as a suspect in the incident after being filmed by a surveillance camera before and after the blast.
Investigations have reportedly revealed that batteries bearing Korean letters and a digital timer were found at the scene. It has also been reported that DNA samples obtained from items left at a Tokyo hotel room where Chon stayed in November were identical to that from a cigarette butt found at the explosion site.

Chon’s lawyer said that despite intense attention from the general public, there is room for leniency given that the incident was not connected to organized crime and that no people were harmed.

According to news reports, there is no record of Chon being involved in anti-Japanese activities or having connections to such organizations.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuchinoerabu-jima

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/06...26GUk8poUx

Quote:Top Japanese bureaucrat dismisses Beijing claim after Chinese warship sailed through ‘international strait’
Kyodo   Jun 25, 2016
  
The top bureaucrat at the Foreign Ministry on Friday rebutted China’s justification that one of its naval vessels was exercising the right to free passage through an international strait when it sailed in and around Japanese territorial waters earlier this month.

“(The area) is in our country’s territorial waters. In light of the actual usage, it cannot be called an international strait” as China claims, Vice Foreign Minister Shinsuke Sugiyama, who assumed the post on June 14, said in an interview.

On Chinese military vessels’ recent assertiveness at sea, Sugiyama said, “Circumstances are different in each case but, as a whole, it’s extremely undesirable. I have serious concern about China’s growing military activities.”

China has defended its intelligence vessel’s sailing in and near Japanese waters near Kuchinoerabu Island in Kagoshima Prefecture, saying it was traversing an “international strait” through which foreign ships can freely transit to a certain extent under the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea.

Noting that an article of the U.N. convention describes an international strait to be a water area used for international navigation, Sugiyama said the area in question has “never been a strait used for international navigation.”

Tokyo lodged a protest with Beijing following the first-ever sailing of a Chinese naval frigate on June 9 into a contiguous zone just outside Japanese territorial waters near the Japanese-controlled, Chinese-claimed Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea.

On overall Japan-China relations, Sugiyama said both sides need to “double” their efforts to maintain dialogue, noting that the two countries first agreed to build “mutually beneficial strategic ties” in 2006 under Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s first administration. “The two countries are on their way back to that point,” he said.

In its dealings with North Korea, Japan must remain devoted to resolving the issue concerning its citizens abducted by North Korea in the 1970s and 1980, Sugiyama said.

“I want to reach a solution as quickly as possible,” he said.

Recalling the last Tokyo-Pyongyang negotiations over the abduction issue in 2012, in which he has taken part as the director-general of the ministry’s Asian and Oceanian Affairs Bureau, Sugiyama said he feels “truly sorry (for the abductees’ families) that nothing has been solved for so many years since then.”

Amid heightened concerns over North Korea’s aspirations to develop nuclear and missile technology, Sugiyama said Japan will “devote its maximum diplomatic efforts” to address the nuclear and missile development issues, taking the opportunity of assuming the presidency of the U.N. Security Council in July.

   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuchinoerabu-jima

Quote:Kuchinoerabu-jima is located 130 kilometres (70 nmi) south of Kagoshima.

Just for information where Kuchinoerabu Island is located... just next to the 4 main islands of Japan.
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(06-25-2016, 08:01 AM)yohan Wrote: Just for information where Kuchinoerabu Island is located... just next to the 4 main islands of Japan.

Push, push, push.................................no real push back: only words? We'll try more.............................................Push,push, push.......................................................................
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It looks like China is about to have another cow soon: China lashes out at Japan's South China Sea plans

Quote:China asserts sovereignty over almost all of the strategically vital waters in the face of rival claims from its Southeast Asian neighbours, and has rapidly turned reefs in the area into artificial islands capable of hosting military planes.

In a speech last week Japanese defence minister Tomomi Inada called China's actions a "deliberate attempt to unilaterally change the status quo, achieve a fait accompli, and undermine the prevailing norms", according to a transcript released by Washington-based think tank the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Inada said Japan would increase its engagement in the South China Sea through joint training cruises with the US Navy, exercises with regional navies and capacity-building assistance to coastal nations.

The very thought of someone having the audacity to play in the very same sandbox as PRC has them screaming like spoilt infants. S6

I wonder if anyone is up to speed on Japan's progress in rearming itself, navy wise?
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(06-25-2016, 09:44 AM)John L Wrote: Push, push, push.................................no real push back: only words?   We'll try more.............................................Push,push, push.......................................................................

No, JohnL, Japan is not doing 'nothing', but is slowly but persistently increasing its forces in that disputed area.

It is however a difference if you have it to do with 200 illegal fishing boats and some small Chinese Coast Guard playing cat and mouse with the Japanese Coast Guard with water cannons and loudspeakers or if you are facing combat-ready Chinese warships.

This takes a while but Japan is working on this issue carefully.

You have to understand, that this corner called Senkaku was in the past more or less a dead corner, and Japanese forces did not even know really what is going on there. Up to 2012, there were almost no ships there.

What to do?

First step was to construct a new radar station on Yonaguni Island, which is not disputed by any nation, this island is Japan and there are living now about 2000 Japanese there, this is all ready now and it is possible to see easily what is coming near to Japanese sea territory from China, Taiwan and also from North Korea.
It does not make sense to act as a blind man, looking out to China without any information.
Military servicemen on Yonaguni Island are all Japanese, nobody from USA.

Second step was about more ships for the Japanese Coast Guards, this is also done - there will be from now on additionally 10 more smaller ships and 2 more larger ships. - With only 2 or 3 Japanese Coast Guard ships it was not possible to block over 200 fishing boats coming from all directions for poaching at the same time or to force Chinese Coast Guard ships to turn back.

Third step is to reorganize the Japanese Navy in this region, in case Chinese warships are showing up with hostile activities.
This is also under way just now.

So far however the Chinese Navy shows up only rarely, these ships never do anything but passing through some disputed sea territory without stopping and never provoke or damage any Japanese ship or protect Chinese fishing boats.They merely appear and disappear again into own or international sea after a few hours.

The Japanese Defense Agency thinks the best is only to watch them.

About the Japanese Air Force, it's active anyway. Plenty of Chinese and Russian airplanes are moving all the time around Japan. See the graphic.

   


Full text and for more information, see links below for both articles
https://amti.csis.org/east-china-sea-tensions/

Quote:Japan Responding – In a Big Way

Japan is not sitting idle. Tokyo understands that the increasing size and capabilities of CCG vessels around the Senkakus present a unique challenge—sooner or later JCG counterparts could face a situation in which they cannot maintain their decades-long administrative control over the waters around the islets, at least without assistance from the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Forces (JMSDF). That would signal a major shift in the status quo.

In preparation for such an eventuality, and presumably to deter against China employing naval vessels first, Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga said on January 12 that under a new policy, JMSDF assets could engage in “maritime policing operation[s]” if foreign warships enter Japanese territorial waters under a pretense other than “innocent passage.” It is still unclear whether this could apply to repurposed PLAN ships now in the CCG.

Japan has also begun to boost its maritime domain awareness and military capabilities around the disputed islands, opening a radar station on Yonaguni (90 miles south of the Senkakus), deploying additional troops to the Amami Islands near Okinawa, and preparing a multiphasic plan for an amphibious military response to any threat to Japan’s continued administration of the Senkakus.

The JCG unit dedicated to patrolling the Senkakus has also been bolstered with 10 new 1,500-ton patrol ships and two helicopter-equipped vessels, deployed in early April to prevent the need for other coast guard units to help respond to Chinese patrols, as has been the case in recent years.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense.../81937524/

Quote:Japan is also beefing up its forces in the Amami Islands between Okinawa and the home islands where, Yamamoto said, “in the near future we will have a 600-troop security force.”

There is no move, he added, to put forces on the Senkaku Islands themselves.
“If we put forces on the Senkaku Islands it would escalate tension,” Yamamoto said. “We don’t want to escalate. But on Yonaguni there are 1,800 residents. Yonaguni extends the observation network watching the Senkakus.”
The observation network, Yamamoto explained, is Phase Zero of a multistep Japanese response approved in 2013 to react if tensions continue to rise.

Phase One would be the establishment of a JGSDF rapid deployment regiment consisting of an infantry company, a mortar company and a mechanized company equipped with new maneuver combat vehicles.
Phase Two would be activated should the islands be seized by an enemy, Yamamoto said, and would see an amphibious brigade deployed on naval ships to retake the territory.
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(10-11-2016, 09:08 AM)yohan Wrote:
(06-25-2016, 09:44 AM)John L Wrote: Push, push, push.................................no real push back: only words?   We'll try more.............................................Push,push, push.......................................................................

No, JohnL, Japan is not doing 'nothing', but is slowly but persistently increasing its forces in that disputed area.

That's not what I was thinking/talking about.  I was imitating the PRC thought process, of two steps forward, and one step back.
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