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Japan China Confrontation? Japan's Navy Growing
#21
Palladin, the Russians occupied several Japanese Islands after WW2. I don't know what China has to do with the disputed Islands, if they belong to someone else than Japan; what I doubt, it's Taiwan. So, the Chinese still have a grudge against the Japanese from WW2. Their fault to make the most populous country a mess, and for others to take. The Mongols and their Chinese allies tried to take Japan, too. Twice.
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#22
Quote:the Russians occupied several Japanese Islands after WW2.

It was the result of several declarations signed starting from the Yalta conferenece by Stalin, Roosewelt and Churchill. It's not like the Russians (or the Soviets) came and seized these three islands.

I want to point out that democratic Japan and democratic S.Korea also have territorial dispute over islands.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexis-dud...85534.html

Add to that recent China-Vietnam row about islands and you will have a micro WWIII.

Why don't every one take as example of M. Russia and China in a spat resolved win-win.
http://chinawatch.washingtonpost.com/201...ixiazi.php

China and Russia are in the process of construction of new bridges to this wonderful piece of wetland.
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#23
Quad,

I think the Chinese feel they've always had sovereignty over these islands. I don't know if that's valid, just repeating what I read.

I honestly think the islands themselves are a pretext, the Chinese are feeling bold right now and you will agree won't you that they do have a valid historic wound with the Nipponese that has never even began to be assuaged? Japan still won't even admit what they did during WWII.

Germans are ashamed of WWII, Japanese act like it was no big deal what they did.

Here's an AsiaTimes artcle, my guess is this source is a better one than western papers:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/NI19Ad02.html
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#24
No matter the outcome, what is going to be interesting for us is how the Obama administration handles all this in the next month and a half.
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#25
Is it really interesting or merely disgusting to watch?

If the republicans were running a real candidate this cycle, the string of the disasters should have registered in the polls.... but we only see the boy increasing his lead over the moron with every blunder....

Now, on "just Chinese claims": there are a lot of *real* claims that can be made over WWII or prior events. Very few are actually made....in fact, only Palestinian and Armenian claims are prominent in the news.... and I don't see Chinese government claiming that this is about WWII Japanese atrocities. Not relevant.

What is however relevant is that China claims nearly every island in the vicinity. Here is an illustration of Chinese claims in the South China see; [Image: 220px-South_China_Sea_claims.jpg]
Amazing, no? The claims, incidentally, precede PRC... but the Chicoms never dropped them.
This setup guarantees to lead to confrontations eventually...the only surprise to me is that China decided to test the claims against Japan rather than a smaller opponent first.

perhaps, China thinks that the US is no longer a factor to consider.
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#26
Here's Stratfor's take on the issue: Understanding the China-Japan Island Conflict.
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#27
Update:

China Warns Citizens To 'Prepare For The Worst' .

Given that both sides are currently escalating and neither can afford losing face, this may get interesting. Here is the big chance for the Boy to play the peacemaker: ask the adversaries to toss a coin for Senkaku's and the loser gets Hawaii as a compensation!
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#28
http://www.businessinsider.com/china-loc...nds-2013-2
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#29
Looks like PRC is looking for an initial PR victory, should the Japanese commander not want to chance it any longer. Sooner or later, they will pull the trigger, after Japan lets down its complete guard.

I suspect violence any time in the immediate future, and clearly China is doing the provoking.
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#30
Obama has finally decided on who owns the islands.

Looks like the Bamster can no longer continue in 'Campaign Mode' as he would like. He's finding that 'Governing Mode' is a whole lot harder to do. And most important of all, he is finally going to have to shoulder responsibility for his decisions.
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#31
Well, he made a clearly better choice, likely at the behest of those better than he is. Left to his own devices, he would have fucked this up.

I do hope Japan retains these islands.
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#32
Which islands are you talking about? Okinawa is now claimed by China too.
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#33
Ok, am I missing something here? RT is a great news outlet, so I doubt they are playing a joke. If they mean this (which is doubtful and this is perhaps for show and to drum up the masses against the US), they mean to eject a massive US military base.
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#34
RT is not the only source reporting it, Here is Bloomberg.

I think China is not pressing an immediate claim, only saying that they might when it is convenient for them. But surely they have no problems with removing this and any other US base from the Far East..
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#35
Playing the ultimate chess game.
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#36
(05-09-2013, 10:41 AM)John L Wrote: Playing the ultimate chess game.
Yep. Just move a pawn and see if it freaks out the US state department.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#37
Japan is slowly, but surely, increasing its naval presence in the Pacific. The latest addition is a 'de facto' aircraft carrier which officially is not.

Flattops or Not: Japan’s Dilemma

Without doubt, this new addition is pushing the constitution to its limits. The next step will be a revision of the constitution, which will allow it to begin a rebuilding program.

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#38
Here's another article from Sky News on the carrier. It sure is a pretty thing. S5
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#39
The Coming Sino-Japanese War.

This war would be sad... both nations contributed a lot to the humanity... More beneficial would be a war between the UK and France, preferably nuclear. S6
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#40
60yrs ago, this limit on arms and military would have made sense. These days? It needs to go.
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